Where are the bookmarks in Opera 18?

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by ersi:

The company has pushed unwanted updates and alterations on people on a number of occasions this year:

- Mobile v.14 (Chromium) on top of Mobile v.12 (Presto)
- Reappearing Google search engine beginning probably at v.12.15 on desktop http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1648442
- Opera Mini Smartpage http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1755772
- Google search field in Opera Blink that was removable, but then patched in later version to prevent users from removing it http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/86356712#comment111639102

What can we conclude based on this list? Is it malware/spyware/adware or not? Or is it seemingly moving in that direction, but will never get there?

One more case to add to the list. Opera is using Chrome's tacks to sneak into people's computers http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=14997322

Originally posted by bcbear86:

I found out that when Java was updated, it had an option to install Opera and she didn't uncheck the box.

Quo vadis, Opera? Bejeezus...

frenzie

frenzie

Originally posted by ersi:

- Mobile v.14 (Chromium) on top of Mobile v.12 (Presto)

Trust me, I know.

Originally posted by ersi:

- Opera Mini Smartpage http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1755772

Wait, what? I occasionally use Opera Mini when I'm not on wifi and I have something of direct importance for me (e.g. bus/tram times). Some stupid "SmartPage" would probably use more than 10 times as much data as the one bookmarked page I check with images disabled. Ugh, that's awful.

Originally posted by ersi:

Originally posted by bcbear86:

I found out that when Java was updated, it had an option to install Opera and she didn't uncheck the box.

Quo vadis, Opera? Bejeezus...

I guess I can simply c/p what I said about Google:

http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog/show.dml/110522522?startidx=1100#comment113732752

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Besides a quick check whether you're indeed upgrading Flash and not some malware, who expects an update to install a new browser or some other piece of unrelated software? On top of which, there isn't always a checkbox either. Software companies tend to "forget" that, especially if you set it to update automatically. As if you automatically want to install other crap on your computer.

And if Google is offering money for such practices, why shouldn't one blame Google? Last I checked the person who pays a hitman also goes down for murder.

Quo vadis? I think I'll go straight for Et tu, Opera?

missingno

missingno

Originally posted by rilef:

All bookmarks from Opera 12 are imported into Opera 18. But only bookmarks on the Opera 12 bookmarks toolbar will show up on the QAB. Since Opera 18 does not have a bookmarks manager or bookmarks menu, as does Opera 12, you will not be able to access these additional bookmarks in Opera 18.

Hilariously funny. So, if I had been using bookmarks, all those would be imported but inaccessable as I don't want to clutter my space with a useless bar (I do have a menu bar where bookmarks could be found if available and needed)? How does this even fit with Pesala's fear of "wasting" screen estate? Does he really use a bookmark bar in 11.64?

frenzie

frenzie

Originally posted by missingno:

Does he really use a bookmark bar in 11.64?

Of course not.

maryfromitaly

maryfromitaly

I've just downloaded Opera 18, and I must say I'm pretty horrified.

I've been an Opera user for many years, and always been pretty happy with it. I decided to upgrade today from Opera 12 because Flash no longer seems to work with it (I can't view youtube videos, etc.).

But why on earth have they messed up the bookmarks?

I've skimmed through the thread, but it doesn't help, because no quick access bookmark bar is displayed, and if I try to import my Opera 12 bookmarks it only gives me the option to import to Speed Dial, which is pointless because I have hundreds of bookmarks. The Opera help is quite useless on this topic.

Can anyone explain whether and how I can force it to display the quick access bookmark bar and let me import my bookmarks to it?

I already use Firefox for sites that don't perform well with Opera, but it's much slower, so I'd rather stick with Opera if this major problem can be fixed.

Thanks a lot,
Mary

blackbird71

blackbird71

Originally posted by maryfromitaly:

...no quick access bookmark bar is displayed, and if I try to import my Opera 12 bookmarks it only gives me the option to import to Speed Dial, which is pointless because I have hundreds of bookmarks. The Opera help is quite useless on this topic.

Can anyone explain whether and how I can force it to display the quick access bookmark bar and let me import my bookmarks to it? ...
Mary

There's a number of posts in the forums that explain how to make the QAB appear and how to then import bookmarks from "old"
Opera, and you can track them down using the forum search box in the upper right corner of the forum pages (I prefer "advanced search", looking back for more than 2 weeks and looking for posts as well as topics). One useful thread that does explain several things is: Helpful Extras to customize Opera 18/19, but you'll need to read down through it. You can make the QAB appear by entering opera:flags into the address bar and enabling QAB in that list.

maryfromitaly

maryfromitaly

OK, thanks very much. However, I've just read one of the last posts on this thread, which says that only bookmarks that were on the old bookmarks toolbar will show up on the QAB; I didn't have a toolbar in Opera 12, just the side panel accessed with CTRL-B, so if that's the case, I'll be joining the ranks of ex-Opera users, I'm afraid.

Anyway, I'll read through the whole of this thread and the one you linked to tomorrow, and try and make some sense of it - thanks very much for your help.

Pity that Opera couldn't have made something so fundamentally useful a bit more obvious or intuitive, though.

Mary

A Former User

Originally posted by missingno:

How does this even fit with Pesala's fear of "wasting" screen estate? Does he really use a bookmark bar in 11.64?

Yes, he really does.

Bookmarks

Old Opera allows you to create custom buttons just by dragging the above link to your address bar or any other toolbar that is already visible. One click on my custom button will show the bookmarks bar for 5 seconds, which is long enough to select one of my frequently used bookmarks. Click and drag down on the custom button will toggle it on or off, showing it for as long as I need it.

I still use the Panel if I need to use the Quick Find for a bookmark I have not used in a while, or if I want to do some organising to remove obsolete bookmarks, etc. I never use the Bookmarks Manager, and use the menu only for a few very commonly used bookmarks for which I know the Access keys by heart so, for example, Alt, B,¹ T,² S, M, M, Enter will open the first book in the Middle Length Discourse (majjhimanikāya).

¹ Alt B = Show popup menu, "Browser Bookmarks Menu"
² T = Tipitaka, then S = Suttanta, M = Majjhimanikaya, M = M.i. (book one).

When we have this degree of customisation in Opera 21 (or whatever), I can think about upgrading, but there are other issues too, which still prevent me from upgrading to Opera 12.xx let alone Opera Next.

Originally posted by rilef:

All bookmarks from Opera 12 are imported into Opera 18. But only bookmarks on the Opera 12 bookmarks toolbar will show up on the QAB

This is “By Design.” It is importing the bookmarks to your Opera 18 profile, and assumes that you want the same bookmarks on your QAB as you had on your Bookmarks Bar in Opera 11 or 12, or your Personal Bar in Opera 8.54. After importing your bookmarks to Opera 18 profile (which should happen automatically with a fresh install AFAIK), you can now use the Bookmarks Importer on the menu or on the Speed Dial to import these bookmarks to the QAB or Speed Dial as appropriate.

All this is in preparation for when we have a bookmarks menu and manager in Opera Next. The QAB is just the first step for the benefit of those who cannot live without their bookmarks.

opera1215b1748

opera1215b1748

Originally posted by yakyelnats:

...In my experience trolls continue to troll and usually come back with a vengeance...

Exactly - like someone calling himself "leushino" does!

cybe-rider

cybe-rider

Originally posted by bosco30:

Originally posted by BernG:

Originally posted by scratchspace:

Originally posted by blackbird71:

I've observed that one of the common elements of quite a number of negative initial postings about Opera's bookmarks situation is that users who first fire up the new Opera are unable to locate or figure out its 'bookmarking' functionality. . . .

Opera seriously needs to get a team working ASAP on a coherent, instantly-accessible instruction/helps/how-to database for new users, broken out by version number . . .

Yes, a FAQ/guide of some sort is clearly needed. Unfortunately, the presence of such a FAQ would represent only a speed bump to the fraudulent/trolling "Where are the bookmarks?! I'm shocked! Good riddance, Opera!" posters (e.g., the OP here) who appear with some regularity on this forum.

Definitely agree that the OP post screams "fraudulent." Especially the whiny and attraction attention "Opera is a lost cause." The post just doesn't smell right.

I've also seen too many posts by so-called decision makers telling us they're considering Opera for their company, blah, blah blah. Yeah right.:rolleyes:

But why are these posters doing this? I think one reason is that these posters miss what Opera has lost and they are trying to create as much leverage as they can to get it back. They figure that a simple polite post will be ignored but if they seem more important and angry, the powers that be are more likely to listen to them. I think another reason is that they are simply enraged at the frustration they feel over what they see as dumb decisions made by management. In any case letting these comments stand unanswered is more likely to give management a nudge toward improving Opera. Undercutting these comments doesn't do anybody any good.

So damn right, you almost brought tears to my eyes. Honestly. It's hard to see those posts considered as enemy grenades by those that seem to fiercely defend new Opera as being a fantastic achievement up to gaining share in near future, when these posts simply represent a cry for help from a few that just still care for Opera. At least these ones show their thoughts, most of the ones that find themselves under same adversities just leave speechless. Browser geeks (no bad meant) should realize that for common users a web browser is not a purpose, it's a tool, nothing more than that, and it is required to bend to the user -as Opera did in the past, offering so many at such ease- not the opposite. Nowadays when I get to these forums I leave disappointed from finding the explanations (or pretended solutions) as just hard ways of going around problems that are simple user tasks in competition products. Not intending to advertise, just as an example, I tried a web browser -name starts by Max...- It's light, it transfers the bookmarks from the system automatically at (very quick) install process, smooth scrolling, no crashes, simple configuration, innovative for cloud environment, option to surf under Webkit or Trident modes at user will, it just felt I was using the Opera from the good old days. It is well underrated for all it does, its worldwide share is smaller than Opera's, however it is user-friendly enough for us to see the work spent in there is nothing but towards users to forget they are using a complex tool to achieve whatever purposes they want, in an universal manner. I'm not quiting Opera, I've been using it for too long, but I do expect Opera team to realize that all that Opera users want is to be happy with their surfing tool, even when they don't choose the right words to express it. Many times I've been proud to open Opera knowing my choice was the right one comparing to the heavy weight of IE to execute the same things that were so light to do in Opera, or avoiding the intrusion that Chrome represents in my data sharing prevention and the way it spreads into the system -same as FFox, or IE- but this may well be just my personal paranoia. I faced too many crashes in time from so many Opera updates to quit it. I have faith that in time it will be a great tool again, should those funny posts be taken into consideration, they mean far more than what it's written.

j7nj7n

j7nj7n

I have tried the new Bookmarks system in Opium 19 and I find it very nice indeed. The menus look like menus, and can be cascaded in more than one level. I can also move from one menu to another without clicking, as if the QAB was a single menu bar. That is how I've always accessed my bookmarks – from a menu, instead of the side panel.

One minor issue remains that items on the bar can accidentally get dragged to a new location. That's an old problem with the similar Windows Start menu. For example, I can unfold a bookmarks menu by dragging the button down (like with the Forward and Back buttons). That's the new way, which might become intuitive soon. But if I drag slightly sideways, diagonally, I start dragging the button to another location, which is a quite different operation.

Perhaps there could be a setting that required a key to be held down to rearrange items – Shift to move them, Ctrl/Strg – to copy?

A Former User

Originally posted by j7nj7n:

Perhaps there could be a setting that required a key to be held down to rearrange items – Shift to move them, Ctrl/Strg – to copy?

I would rather see an option to backup all users settings with one-click. Then it would be easy to undo such user errors. Anything that makes a frequent task more difficult is a hindrance.

True, some users are always in a hurry, and all of us are in a hurry sometimes, so errors will be made, but making it more difficult for 100% of the time we use something to protect against 1% of the time is not good design.

korame16

korame16

Opera has become a bad browser, probably worst than IE.

Netscape went bankrupt because they made an awful bookmark system compared to IE.
Now Opera will cease to exist.

I encourage everyone to leave for Chrome. It's a much better browser, it doesn't have a corporate-like behavior like Opera where they force people to accept the fact that they stopped supporting an easy bookmark-system.
Instead of having a single one-click-button to add and manage bookmarks, you will need now to go and acquire a masters degree in CS, which I happen to have, then spend some hours figuring out how the bad-engineered Opera functioned.

That is called bad-programming and UI-design of lowest possible level, which will lead to the ultimate death of Opera.

Long live Chrome
P.S.: Mr. leushino, you are a pain in the a... - Stop complaining about complaint of the worst programming job ever done and try to do something to improve. Put your ego aside for a while, it won't do you harm, and mess with the lousy Opera programmers instead with us.

blackbird71

blackbird71

Originally posted by korame16:

Opera has become a bad browser, probably worst than IE. ... I encourage everyone to leave for Chrome. It's a much better browser, it doesn't have a corporate-like behavior like Opera where they force people to accept the fact that they stopped supporting an easy bookmark-system. Instead of having a single one-click-button to add and manage bookmarks, you will need now to go and acquire a masters degree in CS, which I happen to have, then spend some hours figuring out how the bad-engineered Opera functioned. That is called bad-programming and UI-design of lowest possible level, which will lead to the ultimate death of Opera.

Long live Chrome ...

You must be joking! Seriously. A large number of the posted complaints here about New Opera actually accuse it of being a "Chrome clone"! Basic reality: Opera's a free browser - nobody's forcing you to use or accept anything... you are free to use whatever you want, including Old Opera versions. Opera has said that improved bookmark management will be returning for New Oprea in an upcoming version, so it's no longer valid to argue they're "forcing people to accept the fact that they've stopped supporting an easy bookmark system." If what's there with regard to bookmarking at the moment displeases you, simply wait for that manager to appear before making such a wide-ranging accusation.

I have my own complaints about New Opera, as do others, but at least please be fair and reasonable with yours.

berng

berng

Originally posted by blackbird71:

Originally posted by korame16:

Opera has become a bad browser, probably worst than IE. ... I encourage everyone to leave for Chrome. It's a much better browser, it doesn't have a corporate-like behavior like Opera where they force people to accept the fact that they stopped supporting an easy bookmark-system. Instead of having a single one-click-button to add and manage bookmarks, you will need now to go and acquire a masters degree in CS, which I happen to have, then spend some hours figuring out how the bad-engineered Opera functioned. That is called bad-programming and UI-design of lowest possible level, which will lead to the ultimate death of Opera.

Long live Chrome ...

You must be joking!

korame16 posted exactly the same thing on another thread. A total of two postings from this user, both the same. A useless post and considering what's in it and considering it was posted twice: trollish.

leuschino's reponse to korame16's duplicate troll in the other thread was appropriate
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=15029612

stevenjcee

stevenjcee

Originally posted by blackbird71:

Opera has said that improved bookmark management will be returning for New Oprea in an upcoming version, so it's no longer valid to argue they're "forcing people to accept the fact that they've stopped supporting an easy bookmark system." If what's there with regard to bookmarking at the moment displeases you, simply wait for that manager to appear before making such a wide-ranging accusation.

I have my own complaints about New Opera, as do others, but at least please be fair and reasonable with yours.

I think waiting for almost six months is being perfectly fair & reasonable. We were told it would be re-instituted in Opera 18, back in July. Well, 18's here, it's mid-December, and still no bookmarks. Every browser, including Opera, has had bookmarks for over 20 years, so how difficult is putting them back can it really be?

Deleted User

Deleted User

What do you mean by "putting them (bookmarks) back"? If you mean a bookmark manager then I agree that this has not been implemented but we've been told it is in the works. Meanwhile, the devs have provided ways to bookmark several hundred of your favorite sites. Those sites you visit daily can be added to the Speed Dial. The bulk of your bookmarks can be added to the QAB which is being renamed the Address Bar. On this you can import your bookmarks from Opera v.12 and create folders. In addition, you can nest folders within folders to make better use of the limited space provided on a tool bar.

blackbird71

blackbird71

Originally posted by StevenCee:

Originally posted by blackbird71:

Opera has said that improved bookmark management will be returning for New Oprea in an upcoming version, so it's no longer valid to argue they're "forcing people to accept the fact that they've stopped supporting an easy bookmark system." If what's there with regard to bookmarking at the moment displeases you, simply wait for that manager to appear before making such a wide-ranging accusation.

I have my own complaints about New Opera, as do others, but at least please be fair and reasonable with yours.

I think waiting for almost six months is being perfectly fair & reasonable. We were told it would be re-instituted in Opera 18, back in July. Well, 18's here, it's mid-December, and still no bookmarks. Every browser, including Opera, has had bookmarks for over 20 years, so how difficult is putting them back can it really be?

You're blurring together bookmarks, bookmarking a site, and bookmark-managing. Currently, you can already import Old Opera bookmarks, as well as bookmark new sites. Full bookmarks-management is reportedly awaiting the design of a comprehensive scheme of dealing with all the saved-site data and presentation modes in New Opera: SpeedDial, Stash, and QAB/Bookmarks. It might be useful to recheck exactly what was said, and by whom, back in July.

quhno

quhno

yeah - I can import bookmarks ... :rolleyes:

I started the launcher with the additional parameters, but no UI came up. After waiting for about 10 minutes, I killed the 3 idling processes. Then I launched Opera-Chromium again (normal, without command line switch) just to see that most of my previous settings are gone and my speedial is riddled with the default advertisement stuff, facebook etc that I don't use. OK, that was easy to kill.

Then I typed in the bookmark-importer URL and got the option to import to QAB, I clicked it and after tedious confirmation orgy for each of my folders they really were there.

After some sorting QAB became somewhat useful, (I should have sorted them into one folder in O12 before, it would have been easier because there is a decent bookmarks manager) but then I saw the drawbacks:
I can't keep 2 folders open at the same time, I can't stick to a certain "scroll" position in a folder, I can't select multiple bookmarks to open at the same time, I can't associate keyboard shortcuts, I don't see when I have last accessed the bookmark (which was very handy for checking if several sites are still working) etc. pp.

In the end it is still a long way to go until the new system becomes really usable. I wonder what takes so long to implement it - it is more than half a year now - and according to the claims of several employees the Desktop team is now bigger than ever ...

PS: Interesting read: http://asktog.com/atc/the-third-user/
Replace the names and the products and you see basically the situation we have here with Chromium-Opera ...

A Former User

Originally posted by blackbird71:

It might be useful to recheck exactly what was said, and by whom, back in July.

Indeed. It would sure save a lot of hot-air, about why haven't they done what they promised, when they did it long ago. The emphasis is mine:

Originally posted by "Krystian Kolondra":

But we understand that removing bookmarks entirely for the people who actively use them is a big change, so we are going to build bookmarking functionality as a priority.

I can't give you a date, and it won't be a clone of Opera 12, but I wanted to tell you that we are listening to you, and that I realize that not having bookmarks as people are used to makes it harder to switch to Opera, whether you are coming from Opera 12, or from any other browser.

Then, on August 14th, when the Bookmarks API had been implemented and the Quick Access Bar was first available:

Originally posted by "Helge Gjølme":

If you have missed bookmarks or bookmarklets, you can start playing with the Quick Access Bar now. Enable the bar in opera:flags, and then enable the feature in opera:settings under "User Interface". Now you can drag and drop pages to the Quick Access Bar for easy access, or add new pages by simply pressing the plus button. Right clicking allows you to add folders, remove entries etc.

This is the first iteration; QAB will be further developed in future releases to allow nicknames, and search through bookmarks by keywords from the addressbar. Note: Right-click to manage QAB is not yet implemented on Windows.

The Quick Access Bar is built upon the newly-implemented Bookmarks API, so you can get extensions to interact with it. For example, you can download a bookmarks menu extension and then disable the QAB from the interface to save space.

Several improvements were made since then to the QAB.