Where are the bookmarks in Opera 18?

yakyelnats

yakyelnats

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by yakyelnats:

It is clear that Opera feels that it should concentrate on users who need no more that a couple of pages worth of Speed Dial entries - i.e. about 24 icons.¹ Any more than that becomes a pain to handle. I wonder how large a market share that number represents?

I have 28 on one page including 2 folders with 4 in each, with room for more. According to their user survey of 100,000 users, 90% of users didn't add any bookmarks. I reckon that's sufficient reason not to prioritise bookmarks for the initial release of the browser, though any power user such as those who browse these forums, will obviously use lots of bookmarks.

¹ Yes, once you have more than about 24 speed dials, or more than one page, it becomes slow dial.

Thanks Pesala; that is very useful information and I accept that it is sensible to build products on the basis of known facts such as those. My own specialist requirements are far from typical and can see why I am unlikely to see my requirements being met :>(

yakyelnats

yakyelnats

Originally posted by scratchspace:

Originally posted by yakyelnats:

I sense that Alderdale is not actually a member of the IT Department

I sense that too.

Originally posted by yakyelnats:

Non-technical junior staff find such investigative work confusing and very stressful and perhaps this is why frustration has boiled over into a degree of posting hostility.

Or, perhaps he's a troll. That would be my bet.

Hi scratchspace,

I am adopting a neutral attitude on this thread because I can find no evidence to support the person being a troll - two postings only as far as I can see. Moreover, they (I do not say he because the gender is not known) have not responded since their second comment. In my experience trolls continue to troll and usually come back with a vengeance. I sense we will never know so, for now, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.

yakyelnats

yakyelnats

Hi scratchspace, and thank you for your further response. It seems that we have a difference of opinion over the nature of a troll. There are many definitions of a troll but I prefer the following:-

"...a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

In my opinion, the OP's comments do not wholly match this definition - the OP has certainly not disrupted normal on-topic discussion because it is alive and well!. You clearly disagree with me and I sense that perhaps it is best that we drop the matter and move on.

I am grateful for taking time to respond to this contentious issue.

Deleted User

Deleted User

I don't see it as a contentious issue. It's clear (at least to me having been reading the forum for years now) that the OP was doing little more than venting his frustrations (a type of trolling) rather than seeking a solution.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by scratchspace:

Originally posted by leushino:

It's clear . . . that the OP was doing little more than venting his frustrations (a type of trolling) . . .

I've said I wouldn't continue to debate the matter of the OP's authenticity/trolli-ness, and I won't. But, since "venting [of] frustrations" has been a major element of many of this forum's threads for months now, I do want to say that in my view the venting of frustrations, per se, should not be regarded as a form of trolling. On the other hand, venting one's frustrations by making posts a significant part of whose purpose is to be provocative and adopting a false persona designed to enhance that provocative effect certainly is trolling.

And you're certainly entitled to your opinion regarding trolling (with which I respectfully disagree) but that, to me, is not the real issue here. The OP did not want a solution which was provided by Pesala and later re-iterated by me. He failed to read Pesala's work-around or if he did, he never stuck around to indicate such but simply vanished.

blackbird71

blackbird71

Originally posted by scratchspace:

Originally posted by leushino:

It's clear . . . that the OP was doing little more than venting his frustrations (a type of trolling) . . .

...the venting of frustrations, per se, should not be regarded as a form of trolling. On the other hand, venting one's frustrations by making posts a significant part of whose purpose is to be provocative and adopting a false persona designed to enhance that provocative effect certainly is trolling.

And I would go so far as to simplify that by saying that anyone posting under a false persona (while also posting under other personas) IS a troll, almost by definition because his efforts are disruptive since they're not legitimately made. That said, however, we're all just guessing about the nature of the poster in this case (and often in other similar cases)... and, truly, at this level of our lack of direct knowledge, each of our guesses is as valid as anyone else's. Personally, I prefer the "innocent-until-proven-guilty" approach. In any case, enough electrons have been inconvenienced in this discussion's focus... so for me, it's back to my work!

soraben

soraben

Guys just wait for and get extensions, They will do what you want. This is a great new version, I love it. Opera FTW..

You all sound like my grandma, looking for that page you had bookmarked and she doesn't even have the right browser opened.

Just learn to use the browser and you will love it. They remove and change stuff to make it faster, which it is faster.

Very good version, can't wait for many extensions compaitible for new version and updates on this version..

Thanks Opera!

Edit: I just use the stash tab which is amazing. Also just saw someone say about the speed dial combine. Also you can search your speed dial.
If you can't figure out how to save and get back to a page without the word "bookmark" then you have problems.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have the bookmarks there. It is the first thing I noticed being gone along with sessions but there are other ways.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by soraben:

I'm not saying they shouldn't have the bookmarks there. It is the first thing I noticed being gone along with sessions but there are other ways.

There are other ways, yes, such as real browsers http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1773722

soraben

soraben

Well I just found the extensions "Tabhamster" and "Browse++"

And the stash is really good. Just use those 3 things and you will be fine. But I don't import and export bookmarks between browsers so I wouldn't have those problems..

I don't know why they would remove the bookmarks. It doesn't make much sense but I won't be using another browser because I love opera.

And the Stash tab needs some work. They need to make it so you can move each stashed item up or down at least. Also I would add the stash the ability to open all. Also when the stash is the only thing opened you can't click the little X on the tab and close it back to speed dial.. that annoys me.

yakyelnats

yakyelnats

Originally posted by ersi:

Originally posted by soraben:

I'm not saying they shouldn't have the bookmarks there. It is the first thing I noticed being gone along with sessions but there are other ways.

There are other ways, yes, such as real browsers http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1773722

Wow ersi that info is great. I have now installed and tried both SeaMonkey and Firefox and you are quite correct; their Bookmarks and Sessions are excellent and migrating html links from other browsers is a dream. I am now migrating my Opera Sessions. It would be great if a future version of Opera could become as good as those. In the meantime I have adopted Firefox version 25 primarily because I do not need the email client built into SeaMonkey .

Many thanks for your helpful response.

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by soraben:

Guys just wait for and get extensions, They will do what you want. This is a great new version, I love it. Opera FTW..

I'm with you and many others are as well. The more I use Opera 18, the more I love it. This browser just keeps getting better and better. It is now my default having uninstalled FF and pushed Chrome off to a side track.

yakyelnats

yakyelnats

Originally posted by soraben:

Guys just wait for and get extensions, They will do what you want. This is a great new version, I love it. Opera FTW..

I too am looking forward to having extensions for Bookmarks and Sessions. I have been given encouraging news that they will be available soon. I am now getting excited.

saiyan

saiyan

Originally posted by Pesala:

Instead of importing 4,000 bookmarks to Speed Dial, import them to the Quick Access Bar (aka Bookmarks Bar). That's still rather a lot of bookmarks for the QAB to handle, but as long as they are well organised into folders and subfolders it should work well enough. I have about 1,200 bookmarks in 86 folders/subfolders.

How do you import hundreds of bookmarks into QAB?

I can only add one bookmark or one folder at a time to QAB.
I don't see any option to *import* bookmarks.

A Former User

There's a bookmark importer on the Opera Menu, Tools submenu. If that's greyed out, then search the forum for "importer" or "bookmarks."

saiyan

saiyan

Originally posted by Pesala:

There's a bookmark importer on the Opera Menu, Tools submenu. If that's greyed out, then search the forum for "importer" or "bookmarks."

Okay.. So I entered "opera://bookmark-importer" in the address bar and Opera displays add bookmarks page.
However, when I clicked on the "import into quick access bar" option, it displayed a virtual blanked page with a back button and a search field only.

I was expecting the function to allow me to choose a bookmark file (such bookmark HTML file exported from other browsers or the adr bookmark from old version of Opera) to import.

Don't tell me this bookmark importer will only import bookmarks from old Opera 12 user profile.

If so that is a brain dead design because:
1) I am testing Opera 18/Next in a VM which did not have old Opera version installed.
2) Don't expect to convert users of other browsers if you don't allow import of bookmarks from Firefox, Chrome or IE.

A Former User

Originally posted by saiyan:

Don't tell me this bookmark importer will only import bookmarks from old Opera 12 user profile.

OK, then I won't. It will also import bookmarks from earlier version of Opera. I imported mine from Opera 11.64.

berng

berng

Originally posted by saiyan:

1) I am testing Opera 18/Next in a VM which did not have old Opera version installed.
2) Don't expect to convert users of other browsers if you don't allow import of bookmarks from Firefox, Chrome or IE.

I had issues too.

To get my bookmarks moved I copied my bookmarks html file into Opera's pref directory, replacing the Bookmarks file inn that directory.

saiyan

saiyan

I still cannot get Opera 18 or Opera Next to import bookmarks from Opera 12.

Attempt #1:
Copied both bookmarks.html exported by Opera 12 and bookmarks.adr from Opera 12's user profile into the following directories on a Win 7 OS:
C:\Users[username]\AppData\Roaming\Opera Software\Opera Next
C:\Users[username]\AppData\Roaming\Opera Software\Opera Stable

Neither Opera 18 nor Opera Next recognized any bookmarks to be imported when I go to the "opera://bookmark-importer" screen.

Attempt #2:
Renamed bookmarks.html to just "bookmarks" and replace the old bookmarks file created by Opera 18 and Opera Stable.
Neither Opera 18 nor Opera Next recognized any bookmarks.

Attempt #3:
Renamed bookmarks bookmarks.adr to just "bookmarks".
Neither Opera 18 nor Opera Next recognized any bookmarks.

Attempt #4:
Copied the whole Opera 12 user profile to directory
C:\Users[username]\AppData\Roaming\Opera

This is the user profile that would have been created if I installed Opera 12 on my Windows 7 OS.

Again. Neither Opera 18 nor Opera Next recognized any bookmarks to be imported.

What is going on???

If you install other browsers (Firefox, Chrome), they will offer the option to import bookmarks from other browser or have options to import HTML bookmark files created by other browsers. Even IE has options to import bookmarks from other browsers.

Opera 18 and Opera Next???? I just don't get it.

Deleted User

Deleted User

You are doing it wrong. Not that Opera does it right, but anyway

Here are instructions on how to import bookmarks from old Opera to Chropera via Chrome http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/107676502?startidx=150#comment112459182

Then there are also command strings: "<Full path to Opera 17>\launcher.exe" --presto-small-prefs-dir="<Full Path to Opera Presto>\profile" more instructions - http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=14856552

As you see, instead of high-tech geeky feature-rich bloat, the company has turned to a solid product that "simply works". Everybody be happy now.

Antikapitalista

Antikapitalista

Originally posted by alderdale:

I can see that I have raised a touchy subject.

No; you raised a callous subject. Welcome on board of a capsized ship, soon to be foundered.

Opera has been determined to screw their users ever since their stubborn refusal to implement features that others considered standard (such as autocompletion of forms). Some of the Opera staff have even gone as far as spitting into the users' faces, claiming that they do not need the features for which they had been clamouring for years and years, literally.

Of course, as a company in crapitalism, they are after money first and foremost. And the management found out that anyone could make more money with a chromium clone than Opera was making with its browser... so they ditched it completely and jumped on the bandwagon of freeriding on that faddish bloatware... ostensibly for the sake of "mobile applications", of course.

Feel free to bitch here, though. They are quite callous, as you see. The new version does not even have BMs, as you noticed. And it never will, I suppose, despite all their endless promises in the past months of "prioritizing" and all such crap, because the dark forces had decided that it should be without BMs, so it shall remain so. Perhaps they are sadists.

All those cries and wailing have been to no avail. Rather than listening to the woes, they have now decided to shut down the whole venue from where it has been coming. Apparently, this could be called "Opera solution" in the future.

Yet one thing never ceases to amaze me. The abundance of blindly fanatical brain-damaged fanboys, who crop up in almost every thread an personally attack the complainer in an absurd effort to defend the indefensible.

Originally posted by scratchspace:

Originally posted by alderdale:

I downloaded Opera 18 about an hour ago. . . .

I now have endless fun explaining all of this to everyone I meet and we all have a good laugh at Opera's expense.

Installing, using, and exploring Opera, and "explaining all of this to everyone I meet"? You've certainly managed to pack a lot of activity into the space of an hour.

Only the feeble-minded would not find out in an hour what features the new Opera were missing. (I wonder how long it could have taken you, especially considering you reading comprehension skills... In case it still has not occurred to some: he was having "endless fun explaining it to everyone" after that one-hour horrible experience.)