Originally posted by soraben:

Guys just wait for and get extensions, They will do what you want. This is a great new version, I love it. Opera FTW..

I too am looking forward to having extensions for Bookmarks and Sessions. I have been given encouraging news that they will be available soon. I am now getting excited.

Originally posted by ersi:

Originally posted by soraben:

I'm not saying they shouldn't have the bookmarks there. It is the first thing I noticed being gone along with sessions but there are other ways.

There are other ways, yes, such as real browsers http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1773722

Wow ersi that info is great. I have now installed and tried both SeaMonkey and Firefox and you are quite correct; their Bookmarks and Sessions are excellent and migrating html links from other browsers is a dream. I am now migrating my Opera Sessions. It would be great if a future version of Opera could become as good as those. In the meantime I have adopted Firefox version 25 primarily because I do not need the email client built into SeaMonkey .

Many thanks for your helpful response.

Hi scratchspace, and thank you for your further response. It seems that we have a difference of opinion over the nature of a troll. There are many definitions of a troll but I prefer the following:-

"...a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

In my opinion, the OP's comments do not wholly match this definition - the OP has certainly not disrupted normal on-topic discussion because it is alive and well!. You clearly disagree with me and I sense that perhaps it is best that we drop the matter and move on.

I am grateful for taking time to respond to this contentious issue.

Originally posted by scratchspace:

Originally posted by yakyelnats:

I sense that Alderdale is not actually a member of the IT Department

I sense that too.

Originally posted by yakyelnats:

Non-technical junior staff find such investigative work confusing and very stressful and perhaps this is why frustration has boiled over into a degree of posting hostility.

Or, perhaps he's a troll. That would be my bet.

Hi scratchspace,

I am adopting a neutral attitude on this thread because I can find no evidence to support the person being a troll - two postings only as far as I can see. Moreover, they (I do not say he because the gender is not known) have not responded since their second comment. In my experience trolls continue to troll and usually come back with a vengeance. I sense we will never know so, for now, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by yakyelnats:

It is clear that Opera feels that it should concentrate on users who need no more that a couple of pages worth of Speed Dial entries - i.e. about 24 icons.¹ Any more than that becomes a pain to handle. I wonder how large a market share that number represents?

I have 28 on one page including 2 folders with 4 in each, with room for more. According to their user survey of 100,000 users, 90% of users didn't add any bookmarks. I reckon that's sufficient reason not to prioritise bookmarks for the initial release of the browser, though any power user such as those who browse these forums, will obviously use lots of bookmarks.

¹ Yes, once you have more than about 24 speed dials, or more than one page, it becomes slow dial.

Thanks Pesala; that is very useful information and I accept that it is sensible to build products on the basis of known facts such as those. My own specialist requirements are far from typical and can see why I am unlikely to see my requirements being met :>(

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by alderdale:

Keep up the good work of embarrassing yourself

:lol: How did you get a job in IT?

You should have searched the forum or asked first before embarrassing yourself.

Instead of importing 4,000 bookmarks to Speed Dial, import them to the Quick Access Bar (aka Bookmarks Bar). That's still rather a lot of bookmarks for the QAB to handle, but as long as they are well organised into folders and subfolders it should work well enough. I have about 1,200 bookmarks in 86 folders/subfolders.

For "Sessions" the Speed Dial is fine. Stack a number of speed dials on top of each other to create a Speed Dial folder. Right-click on the folder to open them all at once.

It's not as powerful as sessions were in earlier versions of Opera, but it is a viable solution to open a number of bookmarks at once. Right-click on a folder to open all bookmarks in a folder is another method.

A Bookmarks Organiser or import/export to other programs is not implemented yet, but D&D on the Quick Access Bar is OK for organising the odd few bookmarks. Right-click and sort alphabetically also helps a lot.

In many businesses these days ordinary employees are used to test software that is intended as a tool for non technical end user functionality. Browsers fall into that category. I sense that Alderdale is not actually a member of the IT Department (that probably explains why the OP does not actually state that they are a member of the IT Department). The person is likely to be a junior member of staff who belongs to a large group of employees who make extensive use of a web browser in their day to day activity. If I am correct, the investigation that Alderdale conducts will be non technical and concerned more with functionality and ease of use. If Alderdale finds a suitable browser that meets the brief given then a trial will be rolled out to the group for more extensive user testing. The OP has clearly decided already that Opera 18 does not meet the functionality and ease of use requirements of the group. IT Staff are usually accustomed to having to deal with implementation frustrations and finding workarounds and so adopt a more professional approach to their work. Non-technical junior staff find such investigative work confusing and very stressful and perhaps this is why frustration has boiled over into a degree of posting hostility. Obviously my views are an untested hypothesis but I have come across this type of activity many times in my career and the OP displays all of the usual stress symptoms.

I have chosen to mention this on this Forum in the hope all who contribute to the discussions will adopt a more tolerant and helpful approach.

Sorry I posted an invalid link.

Your frustration is shared by many long term users of Opera like me. I have over 3,000 bookmarks and the new system drives me to distraction and unless Opera improves the "bookmarks" issue it will loose long term users like me and also, like you, drive away new potential new customers too. It is clear that Opera feels that it should concentrate on users who need no more that a couple of pages worth of Speed Dial entries - i.e. about 24 icons. Any more than that becomes a pain to handle. I wonder how large a market share that number represents?