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Advantages of newest Opera over Chrome?

  • Why can't they just design it like Windows Explorer?

    In a certain way it remembers Windows Explorer. Also you need to keep in mind that common features like bookmarks should work and look the same way in Windows, Linux and Mac.

    A simple folder/subfolder system that you can sort yourself.

    As said, you can sort bookmarks but you need to do it manually.

    I can't see how to sort the bookmarks in a folder

    You click on the bookmark and drag it to where you want.

  • Now if I could only get rid of that Bookmarks Bar!

    The bookmarks bar can be shown and hidden inside the Opera menu > Bookmarks. If 'Show bookmarks bar" has a check next to it, uncheck it.

  • Sorry - not Bookmarks Bar, I meant the Tab bar. Chrome has wisely integrated it at the top to give more vertical space. Most of us couldn't care less about that thing and find it just wastes space. What would be cool though is a way of seeing all the bookmarks in a tree with a keyboard shortcut or mouse gesture (for the rodent inclined) to instantly show them and then when another to clear the screen.

    blackbird71, you make some good points. Why do you think Opera didn't just leave the bookmark system alone as it was in 12 which worked so well and seemed to be very well received? Did it have to be changed to integrate with Chrome? Inquiring minds want to know!

    Guess the answer is a hunt for a bookmark manager extension.

  • "and then when another to clear the screen." should be
    and then another to clear the screen.

    Getting tired I guess.

  • ... Why do you think Opera didn't just leave the bookmark system alone as it was in 12 which worked so well and seemed to be very well received? Did it have to be changed to integrate with Chrome? Inquiring minds want to know! ...

    How a browser obtains information details to populate a 'bookmark' (URL, icon, description, date/time, etc), how it stores/retrieves it and arranges it among other similar bookmark data, how it displays it on the screen, and how it makes it editable or manageable will be different, depending on the API's and behavior of the underlying browser rendering engine. With a bookmarking system designed around one rendering engine, designers can't just 'leave it alone' and expect it to work at all, let alone the same way, when the engine beneath is replaced with a different one having differing API's and behavior. Similarly, you can't just take a software program written for a Windows OS computer and load it on an Apple OS computer and expect it to work directly - the underlying OS's differ too greatly, and the software has to be redesigned for each OS.

    In reality, the 'rules of engagement' regarding what data flows, what access is allowed to which data elements, where things can be placed on a screen, and which internal code functions can be used without problematic interference are just a handful of the kinds of things that have to be considered when adding a feature like bookmarking to a basic rendering engine - and each rendering engine will have its own rules and behavior for each detail. You can't just take Presto-specific bookmarking code and apply it to chromium; essentially you have to redesign the feature from scratch to work with the unique limitations and behavior of the new engine - and some of the things you may have done in the old design simply cannot be done the same way, if at all, in the new one.

  • Sorry - not Bookmarks Bar, I meant the Tab bar.

    Okay, so why not use full screen mode?

    Did it have to be changed to integrate with Chrome? Inquiring minds want to know!

    No code was brought over from Opera 12. The Opera 12 interface was not compatible with the new renderer.

    Guess the answer is a hunt for a bookmark manager extension.

    V7 Bookmarks as bookmark managing capabilities to the Opera Sidebar. I think thats pretty close to what you are looking for.

    https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/v7-bookmarks/

  • Advantages of newest Opera over Chrome?

    • Opera brand name
    • Opera icon (logo)
    • Rarer automatic updates (less stable, but who cares anymore)
  • https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/v7-bookmarks/
    It shows all kinds of cool icons it adds. But I see nothing. This frequently happens when I download extensions. They just seem invisible.

    Here's something bizarre: I'm trying to put a bookmark into a folder and there is no paste button. Cut and copy are there.....no paste. Am I missing something? Like a brain? What use is copy and cut without a paste option?

  • And I can't even drag a file into a folder.

  • But I see nothing.

    It puts everything in the Sidebar. Open the Sidebar and click its logo.

    there is no paste button

    In the Opera Bookmarks Manager? Ctrl + V. Or, after copying, right click and empty area and click paste.

    In V7 bookmarks? Right click the folder you want the bookmark to go into.

    And I can't even drag a file into a folder.

    Currently you can't drag into a folder in the folder pane on the left side of the Opera bookmarks managers. That is still very much in development. You have to do those kind of folder operations inside the main window only.

  • Opera's 2014 annual report says there were 1458 employees, far from 30.

  • opera://settings/configureCommands?search=sidebar
    There is no sidebar here though. It used to be F4 (standard shortcut which of course they ignored). Control_Shift_S seems to work. Of course the extension I just added isn't there. Control_Shift_S is such an awkward key position. Sort of like Alt_F4. Unthinking designers. You want to do keyboard shortcuts effortlessly with your left (or non-mouse) hand.

    This is why most people are so incredibly slow online. And the stubbornness of human nature that impedes learning 10 finger typing of course. I see people minimizing, never using Alt_Tab, using the mouse to close tabs/windows....unbelievable wastes of time. It takes them 5 times as long to get through material. No wonder they are so fatigued and give up so easily when doing research.

    With all of Google's money you'd think they would recognize the importance of fluidity and logic when it comes to internet searching and get it right. Its probably the most important way of learning these days for the vast majority of people in the developed world. Every browser seems so awkward. The old Opera was the best. Google should have bought it and improved it so it could function with videos/javascript/etc.

  • The underscore is ignored on this page. Control+Shift+S might work.

  • OK - the + works.

  • My apologies: I didn't notice the scroll bar on the window. Sidebar options are down a bit. Should have used the Find command. Not that it matters when the extension seems to be invisible!

  • Opera's 2014 annual report says there were 1458 employees, far from 30.

    Most of them aren't actual coders working on Opera. If fact, from a monetary standpoint, the web browser isn't even Opera core business.

    Unthinking designers. You want to do keyboard shortcuts effortlessly with your left (or non-mouse) hand.

    Pinky on the control key, ring finger on the Shift, hit S with your middle or your index finger. If you want to get fancy you can use your thumb to hit Ctrl and Shift and hit the S with your index. Its a whole lot easier of a combo than most 3 finger shortcuts.

    The underscore is ignored on this page

    At the bottom of the page on the same level with the Post Comment button there is a link to Markdown. It will show you how to use special characters to format your posts. Its very handy.

  • LOL....that's pretty good: "Pinky on the control key, ring finger on the Shift, hit S with your middle or your index finger. " Hadn't thought of that. 🙂

    If the browser business isn't their core business, what is?

  • From their FAQ:

    The Opera group consists of Opera Software ASA, maker of the Opera browsers; Opera Mediaworks, the world's largest mobile advertising platform (including AdMarvel, an ad-serving and mediation platform; Mobile Theory, a premium mobile ad network in the United States; 4th Screen Advertising Ltd., a premium ad network in the United Kingdom; and Opera Mediaworks Performance, a results-driven mobile ad network); and Skyfire Labs, who improves the mobile internet experience by using cloud computing.

    Most of their income comes from these ads networks and related services. The browser is their flagship product and the 'face' of the company but the money is in their ads.

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