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Advantages of newest Opera over Chrome?

  • A simple folder/subfolder system that you can sort yourself.
    So we need a good extension for bookmarking!

    Okay, so much one of the 30 Opera devs should get on that? If its so simple, you can probably knock it out in a week or so yourself right? We eagerly await your extension to add this simple functionality. Remember, you didn't pay a dime for this browser so we expect for you to work on it for free too. Make it happen.

    There is no sorting control here,

    While their is no automatic sorting function in the manager there is one in the Opera menu under bookmarks. Right click the folder you want to sort.

    Maybe Google ran out of money when they were designing their bookmarking system.

    Whats Google got to do with this?

  • If I could do it in a reasonable amount of time I would! Too bad I know nothing about this at all.
    I can't see how to sort the bookmarks in a folder. Usually you have a heading on the column that you click to sort. Nothing here.
    "Whats Google got to do with this?" Because this is a Chromium browser, right? Based on Google? (Wish it wasn't!)

  • While their is no automatic sorting function in the manager there is one in the Opera menu under bookmarks. Right click the folder you want to sort

    nope that only sorts sub-folders into alphabetic order not the individual bookmarks themselves

  • Too bad I know nothing about this at all.

    And yet you feel the need to talk about how simple and easy something should be. You really shouldn't. Take a programming class, something like C++ or Java. That will cure any thought you have that programming is easy or simple and thats long before you'll get to something like building a GUI.

    I can't see how to sort the bookmarks in a folder.

    Once more, with feeling this time! Click the Opera menu, go to Bookmarks, right click of folder you want sorted, its in that pop up menu.

    Because this is a Chromium browser, right? Based on Google? (Wish it wasn't!)

    The renderer is Chromium. That has nothing to do with the bookmarks manager as that entirely done by Opera. Its like you are complaining that the seats in your car are unconformable and that must be Fords fault because they made the engine, even though someone else made the seats.

  • "And yet you feel the need to talk about how simple and easy something should be."
    I certainly didn't mean to imply it is simple designing a browser. I just feel its a shame how far back they have gone in some areas of Opera. If it works well, and Opera's previous bookmarks manager was superb, why change it? Why use just half the vertical height? I have almost 2000 bookmarks. You can't even scroll with the arrow keys on the left. I would love to make this functional.

    Got the sorting thing done alphabetically. Many thanks.

    "The renderer is Chromium. That has nothing to do with the bookmarks manager as that entirely done by Opera."
    That is fantastic news. It means they can change it when they so desire. Let's hope they wake up soon. 🙂

    I notice many features in Opera 32 that aren't available in Chrome.
    Now if I could only get rid of that Bookmarks Bar!
    I'd like to have one bar holding the Address Bar and that is it. Just like Opera 12. Those were the days of efficient browsing.

  • ... I just feel its a shame how far back they have gone in some areas of Opera. If it works well, and Opera's previous bookmarks manager was superb, why change it? Why use just half the vertical height? I have almost 2000 bookmarks. You can't even scroll with the arrow keys on the left. I would love to make this functional. ...

    "The renderer is Chromium. That has nothing to do with the bookmarks manager as that entirely done by Opera."

    That is fantastic news. It means they can change it when they so desire. Let's hope they wake up soon. ...

    Because the underlying browser foundation is different with chromium, things built upon it will necessarily not be the same as previous with the Presto engine. Drop a diesel engine into your car in place of the gasoline engine and, even if it somehow fits, none of the mounts or the torque-converter/transmission connections or most of the accessories or the wiring - nothing - will match. Sure, both are engines, but the similarities end there. Likewise with a browser; they all have rendering engines and graphical user interfaces, among other things, but the similarities largely end there. The problem is that if you're not familiar with coding and browser structures, you really can't make assessments of design simplicity or difficulty. Certainly, many things can be made to look and feel similar to what went before, but from the outside view, a user has no clue how difficult that task may or may not have been for the developers to get it to that point. And always keep in mind there are other things, other features, resident coding bugs - all of it competing for scarce developer time.

  • and the lowest number of employees (30!) of the top 6 browsers.

    I don't think Opera has only 30 employees.

  • Why can't they just design it like Windows Explorer?

    In a certain way it remembers Windows Explorer. Also you need to keep in mind that common features like bookmarks should work and look the same way in Windows, Linux and Mac.

    A simple folder/subfolder system that you can sort yourself.

    As said, you can sort bookmarks but you need to do it manually.

    I can't see how to sort the bookmarks in a folder

    You click on the bookmark and drag it to where you want.

  • Now if I could only get rid of that Bookmarks Bar!

    The bookmarks bar can be shown and hidden inside the Opera menu > Bookmarks. If 'Show bookmarks bar" has a check next to it, uncheck it.

  • Sorry - not Bookmarks Bar, I meant the Tab bar. Chrome has wisely integrated it at the top to give more vertical space. Most of us couldn't care less about that thing and find it just wastes space. What would be cool though is a way of seeing all the bookmarks in a tree with a keyboard shortcut or mouse gesture (for the rodent inclined) to instantly show them and then when another to clear the screen.

    blackbird71, you make some good points. Why do you think Opera didn't just leave the bookmark system alone as it was in 12 which worked so well and seemed to be very well received? Did it have to be changed to integrate with Chrome? Inquiring minds want to know!

    Guess the answer is a hunt for a bookmark manager extension.

  • "and then when another to clear the screen." should be
    and then another to clear the screen.

    Getting tired I guess.

  • ... Why do you think Opera didn't just leave the bookmark system alone as it was in 12 which worked so well and seemed to be very well received? Did it have to be changed to integrate with Chrome? Inquiring minds want to know! ...

    How a browser obtains information details to populate a 'bookmark' (URL, icon, description, date/time, etc), how it stores/retrieves it and arranges it among other similar bookmark data, how it displays it on the screen, and how it makes it editable or manageable will be different, depending on the API's and behavior of the underlying browser rendering engine. With a bookmarking system designed around one rendering engine, designers can't just 'leave it alone' and expect it to work at all, let alone the same way, when the engine beneath is replaced with a different one having differing API's and behavior. Similarly, you can't just take a software program written for a Windows OS computer and load it on an Apple OS computer and expect it to work directly - the underlying OS's differ too greatly, and the software has to be redesigned for each OS.

    In reality, the 'rules of engagement' regarding what data flows, what access is allowed to which data elements, where things can be placed on a screen, and which internal code functions can be used without problematic interference are just a handful of the kinds of things that have to be considered when adding a feature like bookmarking to a basic rendering engine - and each rendering engine will have its own rules and behavior for each detail. You can't just take Presto-specific bookmarking code and apply it to chromium; essentially you have to redesign the feature from scratch to work with the unique limitations and behavior of the new engine - and some of the things you may have done in the old design simply cannot be done the same way, if at all, in the new one.

  • Sorry - not Bookmarks Bar, I meant the Tab bar.

    Okay, so why not use full screen mode?

    Did it have to be changed to integrate with Chrome? Inquiring minds want to know!

    No code was brought over from Opera 12. The Opera 12 interface was not compatible with the new renderer.

    Guess the answer is a hunt for a bookmark manager extension.

    V7 Bookmarks as bookmark managing capabilities to the Opera Sidebar. I think thats pretty close to what you are looking for.

    https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/v7-bookmarks/

  • Advantages of newest Opera over Chrome?

    • Opera brand name
    • Opera icon (logo)
    • Rarer automatic updates (less stable, but who cares anymore)
  • https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/v7-bookmarks/
    It shows all kinds of cool icons it adds. But I see nothing. This frequently happens when I download extensions. They just seem invisible.

    Here's something bizarre: I'm trying to put a bookmark into a folder and there is no paste button. Cut and copy are there.....no paste. Am I missing something? Like a brain? What use is copy and cut without a paste option?

  • And I can't even drag a file into a folder.

  • But I see nothing.

    It puts everything in the Sidebar. Open the Sidebar and click its logo.

    there is no paste button

    In the Opera Bookmarks Manager? Ctrl + V. Or, after copying, right click and empty area and click paste.

    In V7 bookmarks? Right click the folder you want the bookmark to go into.

    And I can't even drag a file into a folder.

    Currently you can't drag into a folder in the folder pane on the left side of the Opera bookmarks managers. That is still very much in development. You have to do those kind of folder operations inside the main window only.

  • Opera's 2014 annual report says there were 1458 employees, far from 30.

  • opera://settings/configureCommands?search=sidebar
    There is no sidebar here though. It used to be F4 (standard shortcut which of course they ignored). Control_Shift_S seems to work. Of course the extension I just added isn't there. Control_Shift_S is such an awkward key position. Sort of like Alt_F4. Unthinking designers. You want to do keyboard shortcuts effortlessly with your left (or non-mouse) hand.

    This is why most people are so incredibly slow online. And the stubbornness of human nature that impedes learning 10 finger typing of course. I see people minimizing, never using Alt_Tab, using the mouse to close tabs/windows....unbelievable wastes of time. It takes them 5 times as long to get through material. No wonder they are so fatigued and give up so easily when doing research.

    With all of Google's money you'd think they would recognize the importance of fluidity and logic when it comes to internet searching and get it right. Its probably the most important way of learning these days for the vast majority of people in the developed world. Every browser seems so awkward. The old Opera was the best. Google should have bought it and improved it so it could function with videos/javascript/etc.

  • The underscore is ignored on this page. Control+Shift+S might work.

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