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Why do I (you) still keep using older (v12) version?

  • Opera 20 is FULL OF SHIT !! where is my main menu. file/save as..where is my all bookmarks. Bye bye opera!

  • While I don't approve of the tone of shtyrec's post, I do agree with the message. In much the same way, I just tried updating to v5 of Sleipnir (the browser I've been testing as an alternative to Opera), and there is no menu bar, no status bar, no visible options (you have to actually know the chrome://settings URL to find even the most basic settings page). I've had to revert to an earlier version of that one, too. Fortunately, I only use it for one specific purpose at the moment, not for general browsing. Still, I'm getting sick and tired of browsers dumbing down and trying to drag the rest of us with it.

    Games are dumbing down, browsers are dumbing down; it's like the whole internet is becoming stupider before our very eyes.

  • There is absolutely NOTHING in shtyrec's post for any civil person to agree with. He wonders where his bookmarks are. Well, I know where mine are and I'm using the new version. He wonders where the main menu is. Why? What is so vital with the main menu that he is unable to function without it? Nothing is dumbing down, as you're wont to put it. Things are being made more user-friendly and finally company's are adapting to the majority rather than a select geek crowd who love to tinker endlessly with their browser (but in general, would not pay for the privilege). Opera is a private corporation trying to make money for its shareholders. Since you are not a shareholder (in all probability) and have no money invested in Opera, you are not in a position to dictate. Either accept the new browser or move on to something else. Why not try and adapt your older style of using a browser to the newer way of doing things? We can all learn new ways instead of insisting upon doing things the same way we did they a dozen years ago. You'd better get used to this brave, new world. It's increasingly becoming touch and mobile oriented and if you don't get on board you're going to become an anachronism.

  • He wonders where the main menu is. Why? What is so vital with the main menu that he is unable to function without it?

    That point alone makes me realize that you have no sense of reality.

    Nothing is dumbing down, as you're wont to put it. Things are being made more user-friendly and finally company's are adapting to the majority rather than a select geek crowd who love to tinker endlessly with their browser (but in general, would not pay for the privilege).

    Fine, make it user-friendly, but don't take away the options for the rest of us at the same time. And for the record, I have paid for Opera. Somewhere in my myriad backups, I may even still have the license keys from v6 and v8. And if it meant keeping Presto going, I would do so again.

    Opera is a private corporation trying to make money for its shareholders. Since you are not a shareholder (in all probability) and have no money invested in Opera, you are not in a position to dictate.

    Dictating? Nice hyperbole. No one is allowed to state their dislike of the new browser, because leushino says that's "dictacting" to Opera. Great way to attempt to shut down your opponents.

    Either accept the new browser or move on to something else. Why not try and adapt your older style of using a browser to the newer way of doing things? We can all learn new ways instead of insisting upon doing things the same way we did they a dozen years ago. You'd better get used to this brave, new world. It's increasingly becoming touch and mobile oriented and if you don't get on board you're going to become an anachronism.

    One does not give up because the fight is difficult. Regardless of the times, people should still be able to modify and configure to suit their personal tastes. Unless you're telling me some dev has finally discovered the magical configuration that suits everyones individual tastes at the same time? Oh, that's right, they have. It's called "taking away all our options and leaving us with a bland interface". That should suit everyone, right?

    I refer back to my original point, that you have no sense of reality.

  • Here's what I think about the matter. You, jito463, really simply want to argue. You readily admitted you have no other reason for being here other than to annoy. You know as well as I that Opera IS adding back features as the devs can address them. They're prioritizing and a menu is not high on most people's priority list. Now if that doesn't make sense to you, that's your problem, not mine.

  • Opera 12 is increasingly failing at rendering some sites. BBC news is one example where I have issues. For that reason I need to move to a new browser after using Opera since I paid for it to replace Netscape Navigator. IE was just too horrendous to use. I've installed Opera V20 but the lack of email and clunky interface are a deal breaker. I can only assume Opera aren't interested in the desktop market so I'll migrate to Chrome sigh. Nice work alienating a long time supporter Opera.

  • I've installed Opera V20 but the lack of email and clunky interface are a deal breaker.

    I'll migrate to Chrome

    Sigh, how coherent!

  • As for me, I am pretty disappointed that Opera is now like a clone of Chromium. The Opera (Pesto) is faster in response and has more features built in. I remember using Opera since the mid 1990s and I love it. Since then, it was only Opera as my main browser, using Firefox only to render some websites. Now that Opera has reolutionalized, I have switch to Chromium indefinitely. Sometimes, I still reminisce and use the Opera Pesto 😛
    Well everyone moves on for their best benefit right? I just wish Opera all the best. I am happy enough that I can still get hold of the old Opera Pesto.

    Pesto is a sauce made with basil, cheese and olive oil, Which has nothing to do with Opera the browser.

    I guess you must mean Presto ?, The heart of the Classic, Original (and best) version of Opera.

  • I've installed Opera V20 but the lack of email and clunky interface are a deal breaker.

    I'll migrate to Chrome

    Sigh, how coherent!

    Which must have a hidden embedded email client which no one knows about (much like Classic Opera), Otherwise why migrate ?. The mind boggles

  • I've installed Opera V20 but the lack of email and clunky interface are a deal breaker.

    I'll migrate to Chrome

    Sigh, how coherent!

    Which must have a hidden embedded email client which no one knows about (much like Classic Opera), Otherwise why migrate ?. The mind boggles

    The problem is that y'all keep looking for logic in an illogical situation. Much of this is about disappointment, frustration, anger, and getting even ("I'll show you!)... such emotions usually exist independent of logic.

  • You readily admitted you have no other reason for being here other than to annoy.

    You really don't understand the concept of a joke, do you.
    sigh

  • I still don't like the way bookmarks are handled in Opera 20. The personal bookmarks toolbar at the top of the browser is fine for one's most used bookmarks, but if you have a lot of bookmarks (the way I do), you also want a bookmarks menu item, the way Opera 12.15 handles it, with a vertical display of ALL of the bookmark folders (and also, that is the way Chrome 33 handles it, the way Firefox 27 handles it, the way Internet Explorer 11 handles favorites. What these other browsers all seem to do is a minimum for bookmark -- both a personal bookmarks toolbar, and bookmarks menu item. And Opera 20 still doesn't do it. It's incredibly frustrating. What is Opera's problem. This is something that ought to be fixed quickly. So I'm still using Opera 12.16, and also now Chrome 33.

  • I keep using Opera 12.16 because it is customizable and because I don't like some behaviors of the Opera's new generation (like new tabs and the progress bar). Try type opera:config on the address bar in each version, opera 12.16 have hundreds of items that you can choose.

  • You readily admitted you have no other reason for being here other than to annoy.

    You really don't understand the concept of a joke, do you.
    sigh

    LOL.. nor you. My remarks were made all in jest. Couldn't you see that? <sigh>

  • You all missed 2 critical points :

    1- Fast Forward : for when you're on a forum and want to see next page, you go there with a gesture 🙂

    2- Save page as .MHT ... more convenient

    For the rest, I have to go with the family, because built-in features are better than :

    • Mouse gestures + Rocker Gesture
    • Session Manager -> because buil-in manager kept all the visited before instead of just the page opened in the tab.
    • Bookmark manager
    • Customizable search engine
    • download manager

    For mail, why don't people use opera mail or any other mail client ?!? Don't really understand this request

  • I keep using Opera 12.16 because it is customizable and because I don't like some behaviors of the Opera's new generation (like new tabs and the progress bar). Try type opera:config on the address bar in each version, opera 12.16 have hundreds of items that you can choose.

    I understand. BUT (and this is a rather large BUT) you do understand, do you not, that the browser is no longer being developed nor will it be in the future. That simply means that over time more and more sites will not load properly in addition to the browser becoming a security issue. You might want to think about that versus the infinite configuration.

  • Ouch, the fanbois are out in force.

    Apologies for expressing my dismay at a product devolving from being a market leading browser to skinning an oppositions product. In that case I might as well use Chrome and have access to a larger development base. It's fairly obvious I'll need to use a separate email client with any option.

  • Opera 12.16 is very rich with feature and customizable User Interface (UI). But Opera 15..20 is very poor in feature and customizable UI. If Opera developer want to use new browsing engine of new Opera why don't include the excellent of feature and UI to new version Opera ?

  • If Opera developer want to use new browsing engine of new Opera why don't include the excellent of feature and UI to new version Opera ?

    Their PR team said that UI's swap wasn't technically possible. Bu i have no trust in this statement.
    They simply cut the spendings with the abandoning of desktop browser (new Opera is not browser anymore, it's just a shell of Chromium/Blink).

  • I didn't find a way to export my saved passwords to the new opera

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