Donloading Files: Dialog Box "Open, Save, Save As, Cancel"
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klayman last edited by
There are two problems with an open button. First, lets say a normal user just want to download an important file. The open option sounds good, so the user use it to view the file. And then, a bit later, the user want to find the file again, but then it turns out that it's been removed.
If "a bit later" is during the same browser session, the file should be still there. And nobody should care for "normal user" not knowing what the open button on the download dialog is designated for. It's the same, be it Firefox, Chrome, Safari, even IE and Opera before v. 15.
It's similar to
target="blank"property which is now non-valid for good reason. It's all up to the user to decide whether to open the link in new tab or in the same tab. And no one should force me to open the link in the new tab to help me avoid loosing the current page, when I consciously choose to discard the old page and reuse the current tab.Secondly, as leocg said, if the user knows what the function of the open button is (ie. that the file will be removed later automatically), and counts on that, what if the file isn't removed and slows down and fills up the computer in a temp folder? Windows is known for that.
If the folder is not auto-cleaned, then it's not the temp folder in my opinion. If there are no pre-configured temp directories in Windows, it's possible to create one in one of the Opera paths. And force empty the directory on exit or when its size exceeds the limit (could be configurable).
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bluejeans last edited by
gustavwiz, I disagree. Open sounds good, so the user a bit later goes to the temp downloads folder (listed in downloads tab) and finds the file - if it hasn't been purged yet. So is the problem that files get purged or that they don't? The files in the temp folder could be removed by Opera itself.
However, a few sleeping files in a well defined folder won't easily "slow down" or "fill up" the computer.
I think we also need a set of options for "file types/mime". I very much want to be able to decide what to do for each type of file (extension). I don't want a plugin to play mp3 files - some I will play with my own favourite application, some I'd like to save. Same goes for pdf, wav, whatever. The Chromium-based Opera still has a long way to go before we get the flexibility and customisability we had in the "good old days". Sad, disappointing.
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A Former User last edited by
There are two problems with an open button. First, lets say a normal user just want to download an important file. The open option sounds good, so the user use it to view the file. And then, a bit later, the user want to find the file again, but then it turns out that it's been removed.
Secondly, as leocg said, if the user knows what the function of the open button is (ie. that the file will be removed later automatically), and counts on that, what if the file isn't removed and slows down and fills up the computer in a temp folder? Windows is known for that.So you want to say that all other browsers and even internet explorer is for pro user only? Because all browser except Opera have download dialog. So Opera is for regular users only? Maybe you have to decide at this! Its for regular users users or for power users... it cant be designate for both. Also developers should choice already.
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gustavwiz last edited by
klayman:
And nobody should care for "normal user" not knowing what the open button on the download dialog is designated for
airforce25228:
So Opera is for regular users only? Maybe you have to decide at this! Its for regular users users or for power users... it cant be designate for both
This question, about the download manager, is very interesting, because it can be designed in very different ways depending on if the user is a "normal user" or a "power user". klayman writes "And nobody should care for "normal user"", but I thought "normal user"s were a bit of the new target of the new Opera browser. I wrote my comment just to try to see the thing from a "normal user"'s perspective.
And airforce25228 comment was also interesting. At least in my dreams, I see a browser that is made for both power users and normal user. Perhaps that can be accomplished in some way?
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A Former User last edited by
If "a bit later" is during the same browser session, the file should be still there. And nobody should care for "normal user" not knowing what the open button on the download dialog is designated for. (...)
If the folder is not auto-cleaned, then it's not the temp folder in my opinion. If there are no pre-configured temp directories in Windows, it's possible to create one in one of the Opera paths. And force empty the directory on exit or when its size exceeds the limit (could be configurable).Do you understand how much complexity, questions, "what if" and "where's my file?" from users did you introduce here?
I wish everyone knew exactly what button does what and that they knew the whole folder structure of theirs PCs, but that's not happening...
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A Former User last edited by
I dont see any point why Opera is designed for regular users only as all you suggested. So all of you are just regular users? I just dont get where Opera is heading. No unique features, no special design, no good marketing and its just copy of Chrome which is for regular users only.
Firefox have lots of addons and you can customize it very well. Chrome is for regular users and have very good marketing. IE is part of Windows. Opera... what Opera have?
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A Former User last edited by
I just dont get where Opera is heading. No unique features, no special design
You're a bit blind...
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A Former User last edited by
I just dont get where Opera is heading. No unique features, no special design
You're a bit blind...
Can you elaborate it or its all you have?
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gustavwiz last edited by
I think what rafaelluik meant was that for the last two years Opera has been walking in another direction, more for "normal users" than for "power users". Opera never had much users if you compare to browsers like Internet Explorer or Chrome, so I understand why they wanted to try something new. But at the same time, Opera have unique features like the tab menu, mouse gestures and now also the sidebar, and all these features, according to me, is more in the power user way, so perhaps Opera try to make a browser for everyone, both advanced and regular users.
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A Former User last edited by
Opera have unique features like the tab menu, mouse gestures and now also the sidebar, and all these features, according to me, is more in the power user way, so perhaps Opera try to make a browser for everyone, both advanced and regular users.
Tab menu? You mean that menu which shows list of tabs? What is unique about that? Its just a list with tabs you already see.
Mouse gestures have lots of browsers now and you can install it with extensions and mostly you can change gestures.
Sidebar is also extension on some browsers so no unique here.
As far as I know Opera HAD 2 unique features:
- Tab stacking - no other browser have tab stacking like Opera. Unfortunately new Vivaldi now have it.
- Customization UI - no other browser have costomization like old Opera. You can move and shape almost all UI element
But new Opera dont have this features.
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michsens last edited by
Regarding download or open files I had exactly the same problem with the new Opera first, so I decided to start writing this little extension. First exercise was to find a way around the multiple necessary clicks until a file can be opened especially you are doing some investigation using a lot of pdf files. My final decision was to use a system notification that informs when a download is finished and what to do next - open or cancel. System notification from the chromium api are not fully supported in Opera so there are only those two possible options at the moment. "Open" opens the file in the system defined application. The file is then stored in "temporary_downloads" folder in the default download folder. "Cancel" deletes the temporary download instantly. Furthermore you can check an option to always clean up the "temporary_downloads" folder at Opera startup. You can choose defined file types or add your own file types.
Here is the link:
https://addons.opera.com/en-gb/extensions/details/open-with-application/?display=enI would be glad if you could try out this addon and give me some feedback telling me what you might wish for this extension.
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nekomajin last edited by
And why exactly do we need change like that?
Why not? Files will be downloade anyway, at least we will know where they are.
Yepp, but sometimes I don't care where are the downloaded file, because I just want to take a look at it. The temp folder has one big advantage: The system cleans it after given days.
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nekomajin last edited by
The system cleans it after given days.
Well, at least here it was never unusual to find some months old temp file around.
That is not the problem of the browser.
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A Former User last edited by
For that, Leo, there is a SPECIAL suggestion, too, in the general thread on downloads here*:P*
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nekomajin last edited by
That is not the problem of the browser.
Maybe, but it affects the requested feature because many people will think that those once opened files are no longer in their HDDs, when they may still be there.
They can create a temp folder in the profile folder of the browser so the browser can clean after itself.
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michsens last edited by
Creating a temp folder is also done with "Open With Application" extension. And this can be cleanded automatically or manually at any time when Opera is open.
