Donloading Files: Dialog Box "Open, Save, Save As, Cancel"
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A Former User last edited by
I would not say a lack of a feature is vanguard...
Well, someone needs to be the first to do the change.
And why exactly do we need change like that?
Why not? Files will be downloade anyway, at least we will know where they are.
Lack of arguments hm? At least answer the proper question...
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A Former User last edited by
Lack of arguments hm? At least answer the proper question..
I think this is exactly what I've done.
Really? And where is your answer?
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umfuzgfsbdiwmda last edited by
This post´s objective is to provide arguments for this suggestion and show how many people is interested in this.
I have realised that there is people who likes this setting as it is at the moment. Therefore, I suggest that Opera Developers could make this feature posible but as an optional feature, thus, who wants to keep this setting doesn't need to do anything and the people who is asking for this setting can change it.
I know that this is not so easy as I described. In this case, I'd like to ask for a reason to not have this feature available.
Regards
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
Really? And where is your answer?
Here:
Files will be downloade anyway, at least we will know where they are.
You know, before an opened file could be on a unknow temp folder depending on the settings and stay there for months. Now you will know where the files is.
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bluejeans last edited by
Yes please, give us a dialog "Save to temp/Open/Save As/Cancel" as it used to be when Opera was Opera. It's so annoying to LOSE functionality you're used to!
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A Former User last edited by
Really? And where is your answer?
Here:
Files will be downloade anyway, at least we will know where they are.
You know, before an opened file could be on a unknow temp folder depending on the settings and stay there for months. Now you will know where the files is.
First, do you know what context of senteces is? Try to read it again. And second, why should I care about files that I dont need anymore and will be deleted automatically? This files will do only mess at my folders. If I need something to store I will save it to my folders. But let me ask you one question... are you store garbage at same place as things that you need/want or do you "store" it in bin which will be cleaned up automatically by dustman?
I really dont get it why do you need to control something you dont need anymore and will be deleted anyway.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
First, do you know what context of senteces is? Try to read it again.
I don't see any problems.
And second, why should I care about files that I dont need anymore and will be deleted automatically?
That's the point: Can you be sure that those files will be automatically deleted? I used to need to delete them manually because they were never deleted automatically.
But let me ask you one question... are you store garbage at same place as things that you need/want or do you "store" it in bin which will be cleaned up automatically by dustman?
I usually don't download garbage. However when ni need to download a file just to check something i use to download it to a temp folder.
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A Former User last edited by
First, do you know what context of senteces is? Try to read it again.
I don't see any problems.
But let me ask you one question... are you store garbage at same place as things that you need/want or do you "store" it in bin which will be cleaned up automatically by dustman?
I usually don't download garbage. However when ni need to download a file just to check something i use to download it to a temp folder.
You really have some issue to understand context of sentence or verbal analagies. If you download file and use it so then you dont need it anymore and now its "garbage" for you. Understand now? Also youve not answer the previous question: what is vanguard about lack of features?
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
You really have some issue to understand context of sentence or verbal analagies.
For example....?
If you download file and use it so then you dont need it anymore and now its "garbage" for you. Understand now?
As i said and i didn't seem to understand is that i usually don't download garbage by myself go i usually don't have garbage on my HDDs, (almost) everything is (or can be) still useful.
And answering better you question: yes, they are all there together in folders both "garbage" and "non garbage" files until i delete the "garbage" ones.
what is vanguard about lack of features?
It's your opinion that this is a lack of feature. Others may just think that this is just things following its way.
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klayman last edited by admin
For me it's quite obvious why do we need such feature:
- one may use the "Open..." button when he or she needs only to view the downloaded file once and doesn't care where it's downloaded to (should be a temporary directory with auto clean-up).
- "Save" button is useful when one needs to save a file for later usage.
- "Save to default folder" should be useful when file is downloaded for a quick editing/one-time usage and doesn't require a specific download location (something in-between of the two above).
And there are threads with the same request:
- http://forums.opera.com/topic/5090/download-manager
- http://forums.opera.com/topic/5357/download-dialog-window
Also, a download dialog window contains such a helpful info as a file size - it can help to decide whether to download a huge file or was it a mistake.
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gustavwiz last edited by
There are two problems with an open button. First, lets say a normal user just want to download an important file. The open option sounds good, so the user use it to view the file. And then, a bit later, the user want to find the file again, but then it turns out that it's been removed.
Secondly, as leocg said, if the user knows what the function of the open button is (ie. that the file will be removed later automatically), and counts on that, what if the file isn't removed and slows down and fills up the computer in a temp folder? Windows is known for that.
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klayman last edited by
There are two problems with an open button. First, lets say a normal user just want to download an important file. The open option sounds good, so the user use it to view the file. And then, a bit later, the user want to find the file again, but then it turns out that it's been removed.
If "a bit later" is during the same browser session, the file should be still there. And nobody should care for "normal user" not knowing what the open button on the download dialog is designated for. It's the same, be it Firefox, Chrome, Safari, even IE and Opera before v. 15.
It's similar to
target="blank"property which is now non-valid for good reason. It's all up to the user to decide whether to open the link in new tab or in the same tab. And no one should force me to open the link in the new tab to help me avoid loosing the current page, when I consciously choose to discard the old page and reuse the current tab.Secondly, as leocg said, if the user knows what the function of the open button is (ie. that the file will be removed later automatically), and counts on that, what if the file isn't removed and slows down and fills up the computer in a temp folder? Windows is known for that.
If the folder is not auto-cleaned, then it's not the temp folder in my opinion. If there are no pre-configured temp directories in Windows, it's possible to create one in one of the Opera paths. And force empty the directory on exit or when its size exceeds the limit (could be configurable).
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bluejeans last edited by
gustavwiz, I disagree. Open sounds good, so the user a bit later goes to the temp downloads folder (listed in downloads tab) and finds the file - if it hasn't been purged yet. So is the problem that files get purged or that they don't? The files in the temp folder could be removed by Opera itself.
However, a few sleeping files in a well defined folder won't easily "slow down" or "fill up" the computer.
I think we also need a set of options for "file types/mime". I very much want to be able to decide what to do for each type of file (extension). I don't want a plugin to play mp3 files - some I will play with my own favourite application, some I'd like to save. Same goes for pdf, wav, whatever. The Chromium-based Opera still has a long way to go before we get the flexibility and customisability we had in the "good old days". Sad, disappointing.
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A Former User last edited by
There are two problems with an open button. First, lets say a normal user just want to download an important file. The open option sounds good, so the user use it to view the file. And then, a bit later, the user want to find the file again, but then it turns out that it's been removed.
Secondly, as leocg said, if the user knows what the function of the open button is (ie. that the file will be removed later automatically), and counts on that, what if the file isn't removed and slows down and fills up the computer in a temp folder? Windows is known for that.So you want to say that all other browsers and even internet explorer is for pro user only? Because all browser except Opera have download dialog. So Opera is for regular users only? Maybe you have to decide at this! Its for regular users users or for power users... it cant be designate for both. Also developers should choice already.
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gustavwiz last edited by
klayman:
And nobody should care for "normal user" not knowing what the open button on the download dialog is designated for
airforce25228:
So Opera is for regular users only? Maybe you have to decide at this! Its for regular users users or for power users... it cant be designate for both
This question, about the download manager, is very interesting, because it can be designed in very different ways depending on if the user is a "normal user" or a "power user". klayman writes "And nobody should care for "normal user"", but I thought "normal user"s were a bit of the new target of the new Opera browser. I wrote my comment just to try to see the thing from a "normal user"'s perspective.
And airforce25228 comment was also interesting. At least in my dreams, I see a browser that is made for both power users and normal user. Perhaps that can be accomplished in some way?
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A Former User last edited by
If "a bit later" is during the same browser session, the file should be still there. And nobody should care for "normal user" not knowing what the open button on the download dialog is designated for. (...)
If the folder is not auto-cleaned, then it's not the temp folder in my opinion. If there are no pre-configured temp directories in Windows, it's possible to create one in one of the Opera paths. And force empty the directory on exit or when its size exceeds the limit (could be configurable).Do you understand how much complexity, questions, "what if" and "where's my file?" from users did you introduce here?
I wish everyone knew exactly what button does what and that they knew the whole folder structure of theirs PCs, but that's not happening...
