No flexibility to show up "Menu Bar" & neither an Option to Update the Opera Browser!?

[blackbird71]

blackbird71 last edited by

... Lastly, one feature that has seemingly failed to make its impact felt is Opera Turbo. I have tested it a numerous times, under varying conditions...& trust me, it only tend to create a "Reverse Placebo" effect, where you expect it render a Blitzkrieg but it disappoints you dearly:-) Does Opera Turbo thrives on the Placebo factor? I have only observed a greater than ever Latency cropping up against its activation! What's your take on the Subject? Waiting eagerly to hear from you..Thanks:-)

Opera's Turbo is a kind of proxy server that can be invoked by the browser for users needing to compress a website's data volume before it is routed down to the user. This is of value if the user is being billed by his Internet provider on a traffic-volume basis or if the user's Internet connection ordinarily runs very slow. When Turbo is invoked, the user's browser Internet traffic is routed through one of Opera's regional servers; this allows the return traffic from a website to be compressed by special algorithms in Opera's Turbo servers before being sent down to the user, usually at the expense of image/graphics resolution, etc.

To a user on a slow Internet connection (eg: dial-up), the effect is to make it seem as if the website's rendering has been significantly sped up, hence the term "Turbo". To a user on a high-speed Internet connection, little or no speed effects will be noted. The concept has found wide acceptance in the mobile browser markets, where Opera's servers both compress web data and format its screen shape more apporpriately for hand-held display shapes. For high-speed connection users with desktop computers, it's generally best to refrain from using Turbo since it provides little if any advantages, but does add both browsing complexity and injects a proxy server into the data flow.

[lem729]

lem729 last edited by

In the same context, you may suggest incorporating an "User Accessibility" option under the Opera Icon that shows up at the Top Left hand corner of the Screen. A click to that will lead to quick transition to a Full screen view of the displayed web page, with a larger text size, & an auto enabling of the Voice Support! Voice commands of Back, Forward, Search, Update will then prove to be a stimuli for the Browser's response.>

I like your idea about voice support. The only question is whether browser makers can provide that along with a free browser. Still, whether as part of the native browser, or through extension support, it would be great.

For want of that (either adequate voice support in the native browser, or through extension), for years I played with Dragon Naturally Speaking, but got frustrated because some conflict would come along, and it would stop working, and then I'd pretty much have to buy a new version. So I'd spend a lot of money for one version after another. Now while Dragon is great for typing memos, e:mail, or letters, for browsing alone, and if you use Windows 7 (and possibly 8, though I have Windows 7 so can only speak well for it), I use sometimes the Microsoft Speech Recognition program that comes with it. It's quite impressive, though with Opera, one needs a bit more. I, therefore, added the program Voice Finger, that operates along with with Microsoft's Speech Recognition. http://download.cnet.com/Voice-Finger/3000-7239_4-75118688.html. I believe you could test it free for a number of days, and then there was a small charge -- well worth it.

With these two Voice programs working in tandem you can easily do hands free browsing with Opera 22 (or for that matter) any browser (and the result for that browser is even better than the result I'd gotten with Dragon Naturally Speaking). I was even playing hands free chess. What a challenge, to even win a game against a good opponent (like maybe Shredder Classic at a reasonably high level) without lifting a finger. (Notwithstanding the above, Firefox worked the best with these voice add-ons, though Opera 22 still did quite well).

Now I don't have to use these Voice programs, but I find them fun to use on occasion, and a break for my hands when I have badly over-used them.

On accessibility features in general, Opera Presto was better than the new Opera is right now, though I am hopeful with time -- and after Opera 22 receives the more essential re-programming (by then, it may be Opera 32), it will improve, even in this area. I'm not as impatient as some are for instant features, or else they feel (from a free browser no less indignant, lol, outraged, violated, cursing the greed of the company.

[saurabhdua]

saurabhdua last edited by

Hello Blackbird71!

Iam strictly a Desktop user, I have tried this feature of Opera Turbo while surfing the Internet using Mobile Broadband Dongle & found its performance to be Dismal! Worth to note, my Area do not enjoys a Superior Network coverage, & thus Latency is very much expected, & thus the slow rendering of the Webpages. Therefore, it such a scenario can one expect the Opera Turbo to unleash the Magic!?...OR, are there any prerequisites for it to work as Advertised? Secondly, Iam curious to know that can't this stage of introducing a Proxy server be intermingled with the Domain Name Resolution stage(DNS)? Many third party, DNS Providers such OpenDNS, DNS Advantage highlight fast access as the key feature. Can't they be even faster by accomplishing the "Data Compression" stage too at their own level?

I have clear memories of using Google Web accelerator way back in the Year 2006-2007, & Man, the experience was awesome. The functioning of that Client Software, the sizzling Speedometer at the Tray Icon were actually rendering my webpages way faster in comparison to the Normal access method!

Alas, it was discontinued in an abrupt manner! Nevertheless, can't Opera replicate the Sizzling magic of Google Web accelerator?..OR, come up with its own set of DNS Servers too in order to marry the both concepts?

[stealth789]

stealth789 last edited by

I forgot ont point to address something you asked. Desktop Opera updates automatically. No need to worry about having to do something.

You can also use menu "About Opera" for manual check. Page opera://about/. Basically on every reload of this page it's manually checking. You can see text near version "Checking for updates...".

[blackbird71]

blackbird71 last edited by

Hello Blackbird71!
Iam strictly a Desktop user, I have tried this feature of Opera Turbo while surfing the Internet using Mobile Broadband Dongle & found its performance to be Dismal! Worth to note, my Area do not enjoys a Superior Network coverage, & thus Latency is very much expected, & thus the slow rendering of the Webpages. Therefore, i(n) such a scenario can one expect the Opera Turbo to unleash the Magic!?...OR, are there any prerequisites for it to work as Advertised?

Running a desktop system through a Mobile Dongle allows it to connect over 3G/4G cellular networks. However, that doesn't make the desktop into a smart phone, nor is the Opera desktop browser the same product as Opera's mobile browsers. The mobile browsers are optimized for mobile devices, and the Turbo-like compression they can utilize is different from the Turbo compression for a desktop... both utilize Opera proxies for the compression, but the algorithms are not the same for both types of Opera browsers (in part because a mobile device's screen is generally of a different shape-factor, smaller, and its resolution significantly lower than a typical desktop/laptop display, hence a different algorithm is needed for the two cases).

Given that dial-up at best runs at 57 kB/sec, and most DSL connections run much faster (even the "slow" ones), whether you can see much effect depends on your actual ISP connection speed, as well as the connection speed of the system if it's running over a Mobile Dongle to a cellular interface.

I'm not a Turbo user, so I don't have first-hand experience in where the speed improvement typically "kicks in" for a desktop system, though I've seen numerous posts from users (mainly 3rd-world) who absolutely rely on Turbo to speed up their dial-up Internet usage and/or reduce their data volume on graphics-rich websites when their data usage is either capped or sur-charged by their ISP. There may also be some differences in how a Blink Opera version reacts under Turbo, compared with an older Presto Opera version as well... I simply don't know about that.

Secondly, Iam curious to know that can't this stage of introducing a Proxy server be intermingled with the Domain Name Resolution stage(DNS)? Many third party, DNS Providers such OpenDNS, DNS Advantage highlight fast access as the key feature. Can't they be even faster by accomplishing the "Data Compression" stage too at their own level?
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I have little doubt that Opera possesses the knowledge/expertise to implement a DNS-lookup function. but the key questions are more in line with whether they have: the server space/bandwidth for it, the spare design time to do it, and the business interest/focus to do so. Everything costs, especially to create and maintain, so a business has to see some clear benefit from providing a 'free service'... one that outweighs the potential costs. Moreover, some ISPs run their own DNS servers, and the impact of putting something in the browser to bypass those might raise some conflict issues. You could always suggest the idea over in the Opera Suggestions forum and see what reaction you get.

[lem729]

lem729 last edited by

@saurabhduha

You said in your initial post that you feel handicapped without the menu bar.

Just press the alt. key, and it alone seems to toggle the menu open or closed. A perfect toggle switch (at least for me in Windows 7). If that doesn't work for you Opera gives for a Keyboard shortcut Alt-F in its Help section with the browser. That also opens the menu. I hope the Alt key alone works for you (as it does for me). It so simple to use and remember.

[saurabhdua]

saurabhdua last edited by

Hello lem729!

Your perseverance has empowered me to such an extent, that I do not feel Handicap any more:-) Loads of Guidance & Brainwash are the perfect two crutches to zoom past these impediments in a perfect manner.:-)

Thanks for your time & effort. I wholeheartedly appreciate that! Smile:-)

[lem729]

lem729 last edited by

Your note was as uplifting as my morning coffee (which does always lift me ;). Haha, brainwash. We all have to do that for ourselves sometimes. Every day, alas, does bring its new batch of impediments. So glad something helped you in this thread.

[sandikel]

sandikel last edited by

this is fair and good but ive downloaded the newest version and there is no option to toggle main bar on and off from this opera button full stop.

These are the only options i have i tried to printscreen into this but wouldnt work: new tab, new window, new private window, recently closed, page, zoom, download, history, settings, themes, extensions, get extensions, off road mode, more tools, developer tools help, about opera and help.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

First, you can always have both tru- and nuOpera onboard your device (as I've been informed).
Second, to avoid auto-updating, I guess one can use beta-versions instead of stable ones. :idea: