asked the difference between Aria and other AI generative tool

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Denizen976 @Lanshara last edited by

@lanshara In my sidebar, I have a ChatGPT plugin. I usually just use the OpenAI website when I need to use ChatGPT, even tho' the freebie version is v3.5, and does not have newer web results. I haven't checked the plugin to see if it is web enabled.

The other sidebar AI is ChatSonic. I think I tried it one, earlier after upgrading Opera to get Aria. I get enough strong use out of Aria, on desktop and on Android, that it has become my first choice when I need quick inputs.

BingChat through Edge will give you 30 iterations, but I rarely get that far before it gets snotty and sulks and refuses to answer me. When using Bing through Opera, it only offers 5 iterations. Because of it's adolescent temper tantrums, I use BingChat less and less.

I have recently tried Bard (from Opera). It LOOKS like it would go OK - but it's not very good. They upgraded it to let is see your GoogleWorkspaces, but it can't be trusted to tell you facts. It will make up things if you ask it about content in your workspaces or in your other Google apps. Bard regular web results aren't much better. I asked it some questions about some data systems, that it could pull from the web, and it hallucinated relationships between them that don't exist. It stated them very confidently - enough that I started to doubt what I knew, and I resorted to verifying with sources. Flat-out confidently wrong.

But, you can also add plugins/extensions to Opera - either through the Opera web extensions collection, or from the Chrome webstore.

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Lanshara @Denizen976 last edited by Lanshara

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I believe chatGPT is web disabled by design, it's primary focus is conversational interaction.

Aria by itself is also web disabled but it's primary focus is on data resolution for which the Opera browser has an interface software call the 'Composer Ai engine' which can retrieve real-time data from the web for Aria. The Ai has a preference for using learned data before requesting live data though.

Both Training datasets are from 2021 but Aria can retrieve current web results through it's integration with Opera.

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Lanshara and Denizen976, thank you so much. Quite interesting to learn of your experiences with these. Wow! Very disappointing about BARD. At this point, perhaps a la Denizen976 Aria is the way to go.

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xb70 @Denizen976 last edited by

@denizen976 Do you mind explaining what you mean by iterations? Re-submittal of the same or a similar inquiry--does resubmittal result in a different attempt at an answer? If so, I was not aware that one can do that. Sorry for being an AI newb.

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Denizen976 @xb70 last edited by

@xb70 Sorry to not be clear. If I access the BingChat from Edge, I get up to 30 steps in a conversation with the BingChat implementation. Your first input prompt is #1. BingChat replies, and you can provide a second input prompt, etc. If you get lucky, you get your answer before either a) you reach the 30th's prompt (cycle/iteration) or, b) BingChat refuses to conversate any more.

With any other browser I contact BingChat with, the number of interactions is limited to 5.

Five may be enough, but I have been taking pains to get complete answers from BingChat, so I approach prompting as a process. Getting good/complete answers in just five iterations has been a challenge.

Unfortunately, because of my browsing habits, Opera takes up a good 6-7 GB of my RAM, and I can't have both Edge and Opera running at once. I thought 16 GB would be enough, but with Word, Excel, Notepad++, EPIM, etc. also in memory... if Edge accidentally gets started, I'm in for a good 15 minute wait until I can get control of things and shut things down gracefully.

Nobody should insist on having hundreds of browser tabs open at once.
But I still do.

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Denizen976 @xb70 last edited by

@xb70 And don't give up... there are lots of options.
I haven't tried Claude yet, but I have seen some good reports (YT videos). I will get around to trying it shortly, I'm sure.

And, don't pass up some good videos on approaches to better prompting techniques, find some prompting cheat sheets online, etc.

By trial and error, I wound up implementing some of the most common recommendations for better prompt results... and in watching some videos, I figured out how to chain prompts, and constrain the results to get better answers, etc.

But always remember... check their answers. The AI just mashes up data, and if it's not monitored, or instructed on how to check it's answers, you might just get some fabulous fairie tales that aren't quite... "accurate" in the real world. I assume they're just trying to please us, and they don't know they're fabricating data.

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Denizen976 Thank you so much for explaning your use of the term iterations in reference to these AI tools. I am under no illusion about any magic coming out of AI. It is a black box statistical algorithm, which uses the data to make predictions, according to how programmed, making use of massive amounts of data; yes totally programmed by human beings, even the recursive elements, thus nothing artificial about it. Intelligent? Well, I did pose a number of queries, which I was having difficulty answering to both Bard and to Bing and both failed miserably, and I was able to get my answers using simple Google search on my own, which did take multiple "iterations."
But I would like to give it another shot, and I will take your coaching suggestions into account, as maybe my initial failures were my own fault, simply not knowing how to optimize my process in using it.
Thanks again.

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Denizen976 @xb70 last edited by

@xb70 Well, like any new technology... it's only as good as the craftsman that made it. :

I know that it's been a battle sometimes when I'm trying to get specific results. Other times, I'm really pleased with what the AI can turn out - usually re-writing things or background embelishment.

If you're interested, I'll dig through some of my old AI playlists and find some that are short and to the point that talk about how to structure the prompts to get better results.

We're here to share and get more effective.

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xb70 @Denizen976 last edited by

@denizen976 Absolutely, I'm interested, as what you suggest makes it seem that I gave up accepting the chat's first answer, rather than noodling it for a better answer, your iterative process. On the other hand, my own ultimately successful searching with multiple queries did lead to a correct answer.
What does one get putting the AI chat thing in the middle?
Also, if you have found any of the instructive material to be superior in how to best use AI, a few such links would be much appreciated.
Thanks for your help.

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Lanshara @xb70 last edited by

Aria will be more likely to find the relevant answer if you explain what your area you want it to look in. Simplest way to think of Ai is talking to a young child, it understands the words but understands very little about anything else unless you explain it first. They also have a limited attention span, the longer you go on the earlier conversation can get forgotten especially if you change topics frequently so you need to remind it about what you already discussed.
If it gets stuck then change how you ask the question so it has to think of a different way to answer.

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xb70 @Lanshara last edited by

@lanshara Geez, doesn't sound very intelligent at all. What is the use? Sounds as if I am better off just doing my own searching, rather than interposing an AI chatbot in the middle.

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Lanshara @xb70 last edited by

Depends on what you want, Aria is not a chatbot that is chatGPT.

Aria helps to find information and is a great for finding general info about stuff you have no clue about. It can also help you with ideas and lets you ask in plain language about stuff you want to know but have no clue where to find the information. It's when you are looking for specific information that it can be easier to just google it but Aria would be able to give to you with an understandable explanation once she found the data.

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xb70 @Lanshara last edited by

@lanshara A chatbot is a computer program designed to simulate conversation with human users, especially over the internet.
"chatbots often treat conversations like they're a game of tennis: talk, reply, talk, reply"
Aria operates differently than that?

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@yogihalim said in asked the difference between Aria and other AI generative tool:

asked the difference between Aria and other AI generative tool,
received the following answer that still includes things that other AI tools also provide in point 2 and 3.
(ie. Aria explaining their feature but cannot distinguish differences to other AI tool.)
It's like asking a promotion staff how their product is different from competitor, but receiving generic product description instead of thinking how these are different from others.
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Aria is different from Bing Chat in the following ways:

Aria is based on Opera's "Composer" infrastructure and connects to OpenAI's GPT technology.
Aria is designed to be a web and browser expert, providing assistance while searching for information on the web, generating text or code, and answering product queries.
Aria enhances its capabilities by adding live results from the web.
Aria is specifically developed to be an assistant for the Opera browser, aiming to improve the browsing experience for users.
Bing Chat, on the other hand, is a chatbot developed by Microsoft as part of their Bing search engine. It focuses on providing information and answering queries through chat-based interactions.

In summary, Aria is a specialized assistant for the Opera browser, while Bing Chat is a chatbot associated with the Bing search engine.

Aria is optimized for the Opera browser, utilizing the "Composer" architecture and providing web knowledge. It incorporates live web results and is intended to improve the surfing experience. Bing Chat, on the other hand, is a Microsoft chatbot that is linked to Bing search and is largely focused on providing information through chat exchanges.

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Denizen976 @xb70 last edited by

@xb70
tldr; "It's not as bad as all that." I realized as I was responding that I write a ton of (fun, for me) stuff, but not what you need. Scroll to the bottom for useful information... /end of tldr; dislaimer

Long, philosophical musing.
Think of it like your absolutely brilliant, extremely high-IQ friend who's a nerd and has some minor spectrum disorder social traits. Heh.

They have a really good memory, but, they don't follow facial cues, don't really understand interpersonal relations, will either over-share or stop abruptly because they figure you know what they're talking about.

But, they want to help, they just need a little help to get oriented in the correct direction. Yeah. But, they don't have BO or bad breath, and they won't say anything totally inappropriate.

They're a good editor, can be very creative, and sometimes lose the border between being scholarly and a fiction writer.

That sounds like fun, right?

Seriously, it's not as bad as I described. Hey, I might be an AI!

I have used the various AIs to come up with ideas, summarize projects, set up the grunt-work for projects, generate code frameworks, generate fictional stories, generate song stanzas, compare documents, review resumes, create cover letters, check my writing, change the tone of writing, etc.

The AI is a huge bag of data, information, references, etc. You can't just close your eyes and reach in and get great results. Just like getting good results from a search engine, sometimes you have to work on the search request in order to bypass a lot of the junk that gets returned if you throw out a simple search query.

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Better, more informative stuff:
(What I actually intended to write.)

OK, some quick techniques to help get better results. Try these, mix and match, and don't give up:

1. Assign a role: Initial responses may not be focused enough to be helpful. Assigning a role will help limit the amount and type of information returned. You may need to try different roles.
   eg: "You are An expert resume reviewer/writer..."
   "Act as a python programming assistant..."

2. Give it (specific) tasks to perform. Rather than get a dump of information, help it focus on what is important to you.
   eg. "I want you to provide the framework and code for a Python web scraper."

3. Give it some context for the answers you want to get. "I am a beginning python programmer and I am trying to learn ..."

4. If you're looking for something back in a specific format, you can try providing it examples. Some people who are looking for help generating text will provide it with examples of their writing. For what I do, I provided examples of a table format for some output it was supposed to give me.

5. Provide some constraints on what is to be returned. For me, I have used "Don't do ..." as well as providing formatting (it's a kind of constraint) as above.

6. As I have had some pretty detailed topics, I have used a "stop and go" format. I was trying to get it to review a document, but there was so much content, that it needed to be chopped up and pasted in in sections. If I didn't tell it to wait until I gave it a "go" phrase, it would start analysis on an incomplete document, and then each section that got added was reviewed like it was separate. By setting up a starting condition "don't start responding until I enter 'OK, begin responding.' Is that understood?"
   Some people will also give it a command to delivery intermediate responses. "After each section, once you have it, respond with 'I have that part. Upload the next part.' Is that understood?"

I know that the above is a lot, but it's also stuff that you can work on in bits and pieces. You may not need every step - it depends upon what you're trying to get out. For simple stuff, I just use pretty simple prompts.
I have Bing on my cell phone. It will respond by reading results, if you prompt it with verbal instructions. When I'm driving around and need something to think about, I'll fire that up and ask it to look something up and summarize it. "Search the Reddit forums for DIY projects on cleaning and maintaining a wooden fence. Summarize the results discussing power washers."
Right now, that sounds pretty dumb while I'm typing it, but it found some good stuff, and I also refined my questions as I was tooling along. And, I was paying attention to traffic.

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xb70 @Denizen976 last edited by

@denizen976 These suggestions sound a lot like what someone would tell someone else about how to do useful sophisticated search. I suppose that the question becomes does interposing the AI between oneself and the database--if using the AI tool, whatever it has access to, as some AI's are limited to particular databases, and maybe others have unlimited access to the internet; if using mere search with no AI in the middle, then presumably one has access to whatever is "on the internet." Obviously, you are finding that interposing the AI between you and "the data," is useful, once you get the hang of it, more useful than mere search, even if it is done in a sophisticated manner, obviously not dumb search. I have not done enough experimentation to prove to myself, the answer to this.

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I posted here earlier asking about V, which I mistakenly thought was another AI, but it is not. It is a social media link. See this thread: "Another AI was added to sidebar: V" where my inquiry about it was moved. And V is explained--what it is.