Where are the bookmarks in Opera 18?
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blackbird71 last edited byOriginally posted by Scorpiopt:
Originally posted by missingno:
Forking Chromium doesn't qualify as "rewriting a browser from scratch".
specialy wen the removed it in the first place chromium has bookmarks by default
Do you even realize how a web browser works? It has a rendering engine (a core block of code) that processes the code from a website and makes the result available for display, but the user almost never interacts with the rendering engine - he uses an interface engine that converts commands corresponding to browser "features" into commands that the rendering engine can understand. This is much like a computer, where a user interacts with an application program, which in turn makes use of the code in an underlying operating system.
Opera adopted the Blink rendering engine (which is a fork or variant from Chromium's WebKit), but rather than utilize somebody else's existing interface code, it chose to develop its own hopeully-unique interface from scratch. That means browser "features," to be included, must be coded from essentially nothing to work in whatever way Opera wants them to work, all the while still obeying the coding rules and requirements needed to properly support or communicate with the chosen rendering engine. There are literally thousands of coding nooks and crannies that must be worked out, all without cross-interfering with each other - and all competing for scarce developer resources and scheduling time.
The only way Opera could have "removed" Chromium's bookmarks is if they had adopted Chromium's user interface and cut that part out of it - which they did not, simply because they never adopted that user interface. They chose to write their own from scratch, and bookmarks didn't receive enough initial priority as a feature to merit the necessary initial development time.
Certainly, one might argue over Opera's choice of features to emphasize in initial designs or whether they properly ascertained the priorities of some of them (and I have, elsewhere). But it's erroneous to argue that they cut out something that was never in that which they adopted in the first place. In any case, Opera is free to choose how to develop the browser however they want... and Opera users are free to accept the results or not, If they don't like it, they can always ask for their money back.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
If they don't like it, they can always ask for their money back.
Ever the master of gently-veiled sarcasm.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
... and Opera users are free to accept the results or not, If they don't like it, they can always ask for their money back.
So can users of Google Chrome and Firefox, but they won't over an issue as silly and simple as this.
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scorpiopt last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
Originally posted by Scorpiopt:
Originally posted by missingno:
Forking Chromium doesn't qualify as "rewriting a browser from scratch".
specialy wen the removed it in the first place chromium has bookmarks by default
Do you even realize how a web browser works? It has a rendering engine (a core block of code) that processes the code from a website and makes the result available for display, but the user almost never interacts with the rendering engine - he uses an interface engine that converts commands corresponding to browser "features" into commands that the rendering engine can understand. This is much like a computer, where a user interacts with an application program, which in turn makes use of the code in an underlying operating system.
Opera adopted the Blink rendering engine (which is a fork or variant from Chromium's WebKit), but rather than utilize somebody else's existing interface code, it chose to develop its own hopeully-unique interface from scratch. That means browser "features," to be included, must be coded from essentially nothing to work in whatever way Opera wants them to work, all the while still obeying the coding rules and requirements needed to properly support or communicate with the chosen rendering engine. There are literally thousands of coding nooks and crannies that must be worked out, all without cross-interfering with each other - and all competing for scarce developer resources and scheduling time.
The only way Opera could have "removed" Chromium's bookmarks is if they had adopted Chromium's user interface and cut that part out of it - which they did not, simply because they never adopted that user interface. They chose to write their own from scratch, and bookmarks didn't receive enough initial priority as a feature to merit the necessary initial development time.
Certainly, one might argue over Opera's choice of features to emphasize in initial designs or whether they properly ascertained the priorities of some of them (and I have, elsewhere). But it's erroneous to argue that they cut out something that was never in that which they adopted in the first place. In any case, Opera is free to choose how to develop the browser however they want... and Opera users are free to accept the results or not, If they don't like it, they can always ask for their money back.
Looool really? like opera and chrome have very different interfaces right now, months since its release the browser is still in a piss poor shape with no real improvements what so ever
With less features than even the original chrome , and having to go to huge workarounds to get such basic feature back and the Qab is not a replacement for bookmarks
Opera is going on an terrible path
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jmiichell last edited by
I can't quite understand what all the fuss is about.
Bookmarks work fine for me either on the Bookmarks Bar or with the Bookmarks Manager add-on.
Importing a bit over 2,000 of them was also easy.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by jmiichell:
I can't quite understand what all the fuss is about.
Bookmarks work fine for me either on the Bookmarks Bar or with the Bookmarks Manager add-on.
Importing a bit over 2,000 of them was also easy.
Thanks for the heads up on the Bookmarks Manager extension. It works well.
I still find the Quick Access Bar puzzling and useless. No organizing bookmarks, just dumping them one by one into it?
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scorpiopt last edited by
well on the dev version that extension is broken due to extension windows being blank
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Scorpiopt:
love the sarcams coming from fanboys like you
Blackbird is not a fanboy. Your problem is quite simple: you haven't a clue what you're talking about. You simply do not understand what constitutes a browser.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by priehl:
I still find the Quick Access Bar puzzling and useless. No organizing bookmarks, just dumping them one by one into it?
Actually, if you do a search through Pesala's posts, you'll find a very useful post in which he demonstrated "how" to set up your QAB with folders nested within folders... not dumping bookmarks onto it one by one as you say.
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jmiichell last edited by
I was exporting from Chrome to the QAB (in Opera 19 in fact).
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jmiichell last edited by
Originally posted by Scorpiopt:
well on the dev version that extension is broken due to extension windows being blank
I found that happened in Chrome from time to time with extensions like Last Pass and so on. It tended to clear up and work again after a couple of days.
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stevenjcee last edited byOriginally posted by leushino:
Actually, if you do a search through Pesala's posts, you'll find a very useful post in which he demonstrated "how" to set up your QAB with folders nested within folders... not dumping bookmarks onto it one by one as you say.
You must be joking! Yes, somewhere amidst the myriad of his insulting, mocking comments, there are some with "instructions", yet they vary, aren't always correct, don't always address the actual functionality of the questioners, and if there are such simply workarounds, why has he most recently said to AVOID INSTALLING Opera 18, or 19, but go back to 12? WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TAKE AS "HIS ADVICE", much less "USEFUL"???
This is total BS, people, especially longtime Opera users have honest, & very real complaints and questions, yet are being treated as if we're all trolls! And by wannabe moderators, who are supposedly here to be "helpful", yet primarily INSULT everyone grappling with how a modern day browser could be released so incomplete, & lacking in the most fundamental of uses! If it takes so very long to build a browser from square one, fine, THEN DON'T RELEASE IT AS ANYTHING BUT A BETA VERSION! Don't tell unsuspecting users it's a real browser, an UPDATE! Talk about misusing vocabulary, we all know what a Beta or Experimental, "Developers' Version" is, this is NOT an "Update", and it's insanity to blast users for not being happy with it being represented as such, especially when at the end of the day, the best advice you have is TO BACK TO VERSION 12!
I know you don't have a clue how idiotic you insulting "fanboys" come across...... read the totality of your posts, and it may become a little clearer. I think I may have accidentally stumbled into the Twilight Zone, or perhaps Bizarro World, where up is down, & in is out...... smdh.
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jmiichell last edited by
Steven,
As I posted above, if you are interested in a solution then let me know and I'll post the instructions here.
But you probably just felt like letting off steam...no problem...you go ahead...
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by jmiichell:
But you probably just felt like letting off steam...no problem...you go ahead...
That's all he has done seen joining the forum. He's not the least interested in finding solutions, or he would have found it by now, if not from me, then from Blackbird or others.
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febonet last edited by
I have been using PCs since almost 30 years now. I install operating systems myself and sort out most of the issues on software and configuration.
After many years with Chrome I decided to give it a try to new Opera which..UNFORTUNATELY arrived to 18 version.1 second after installation the first VERY FIRST THING that any minded IT administrator or NORMAL user would do it to try to MIGRATE all his previous bookmarks. No way.
I start to read in the forums. Hundreds of page on the issue. I try some of them. Cannot get through. I dedicated about 30 min to understand how to import and VISUALIZE a toolbar with links in Opera but I was unsuccessful. That's it. I cannot spend more than 30 minutes to solve the silliest issue.If a person handling systems for 30 years cannot sort out how to set up bookmarks within 30 min I would say it is NOT A PROBLEM OF THE PERSON.
Bye Bye Opera, switched back to old chap Chrome.
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stevenjcee last edited by
Originally posted by jmiichell:
Steven,As I posted above, if you are interested in a solution then let me know and I'll post the instructions here.But you probably just felt like letting off steam...no problem...you go ahead...
Look, you say you have a solution, the other mega-posting "experts" say it won't work & to go back to a very early version of Opera, until a more feature-rich, "stable" version is ready for prime time. Pesala says:
"Yes, for the foreseeable future there is no alternative but to use an old version. Opera 20 developer version is still not even close to being a viable choice yet, let alone Opera 18 final."
This after many posts where he said he had solutions too.... As the above poster noted, "If a person handling systems for 30 years cannot sort out how to set up bookmarks within 30 min I would say it is NOT A PROBLEM OF THE PERSON." and I tend to agree with him....
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stevenjcee last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
That's all he has done seen joining the forum. He's not the least interested in finding solutions, or he would have found it by now, if not from me, then from Blackbird or others.
And Pissala, you don't know wtf you are talking about.... and obviously, you don't even realize how all over the map you are. I would have found a solution by now? Really, genius? Despite you pronouncing there really is none, and we should go back to version 12, until a more stable update is issued, with bookmarks & other features restored?
If YOU can't find a better solution than that, how are we mere mortals to do better? Do you really have nothing better to do than make nearly 30,000 smarmy, catty, adolescent-level digs at everyone who happens to be justifiably mystified & disappointed at how lame these new versions are & how lousy the communication of the developers to the users is, which only exacerbates the issue?
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Deleted User last edited by
He claims he's handled systems for 30 years and now claims he's incapable of sorting out how to set up bookmarks. All I can conclude is - he's not very bright. I don't mean to be rude or offensive but anyone who's been at computers for that length of time should have been able to figure out the relatively simply means of creating folders on the QAB and then folders within those folders. I've been at it for about half his time, I am NOT an expert in software (although my son is) and I was able to figure this out within a few minutes. Granted, it took some time to create my folders but once up and running everything was fine.
Now, if you're looking for a full-fledged bookmarks manager, you won't find one .... YET. And if that doesn't suit you then you have two options. Would you like me to spell them out for you? (probably not but)
1. Stick with a Presto version UNTIL the Blink version does what you require
OR
2. Go find another browser and be happy
But hanging about here whining day after day is not going to do anything for you or for the community. In short: like it or lump it. That's all she wrote, Steven. There are no more viable options.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
And if that doesn't suit you then you have two options.
Three. Use a bookmarks manager extension.
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quhno last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Three. Use a bookmarks manager extension.
Four: Use O 12 until the Blink/NewUI problems are sorted out.
Five: Use a browser that works like you want. The bookmarks manager for Firefox works in a side panel, like the one in Internet Explorer (which became a really good browser in its 11th incarnation - having said that, I now go washing my mouth with soap), I really wonder if we will see a real side panel again in Opera.
