Here are some suggestions for those looking for alternatives to Opera 12 (and use Opera Mail)
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by serious:
great list, I am currently playing around with firefox 25 (the ux builds) myself and found these two to be extremely useful (because they remove needless stupidity from the browser):
-last tab close button -> allows to close the last tab instead of being stuck with itreplaced with tabmixplus
- ff rocker for rocker gestures (which I use all the time)now if I could just find some extension that will restore the session also if only one tab is open when closing fx ...
ah, seems tabmixplus can also do that ... thats one crazy addon...Tab Mix Plus also replaces Ctrl-Tab for recently-used switching, and allows configuring a list-based switcher—something I was potentially planning to write myself as a fork. Unfortunately, the Tab Mix Plus list-based switcher doesn't work nicely with ColorfulTabs. Of course ColorfulTabs will have to go because its functionality is less essential, but I did like that extension.
In the past I used some tabs enhancing extension for Mozilla, which has now become an integrated part of SeaMonkey. Firefox really ought to integrate Tab Mix Plus by default.
My primary issue with Firefox consists of bookmarks. All-in-One Sidebar added support for dragging links and tabs to its bookmarks, but adding keywords (nicknames) is more of a chore, plus it doesn't support them on e.g. folders. My wife (a Fx user) suggests I use URL Alias instead for adding both nicknames and search engines—although somewhat ironically she occasionally uses Opera/Presto's "create search" as the easiest means of retrieving the necessary URL parameters.
Still, I suppose it can be made workable.
Now for what I haven't figured out:
- status switches/indicators. I installed something called Status-4-Evar to obtain a status bar, but I can't seem to find any switches for e.g. Javascript, cookies, referer [sic.], CSS and the like such as you can find in Opera. I do most of the switching by keyboard, using those checkboxes primarily as indicators. In any case, can you get something like that in Firefox?Originally posted by artmil:
I try to customize ff as much as possible without addons and now i'm messing with about:config
Instead of Stylish as detailed by laurenbacall you could also edit e.g. userChrome.css. Personally I feel that Stylish and GreaseMonkey are required Fx add-ons.
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findkfn last edited by
Features still lacking
- Tab stacking.
Have you tried the tab utilities addon that was mentioned above ?
Works perfect.
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serious last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Tab Mix Plus also replaces Ctrl-Tab for recently-used switching, and allows configuring a list-based switcher
TMP is one crazy extension ... took me like 15 minutes to go through all the settings ô_0
Originally posted by Frenzie:
but adding keywords (nicknames) is more of a chore, plus it doesn't support them on e.g. folders
jop, also one of those tings where I could not find something yet ... but I'll keep looking
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by serious:
TMP is one crazy extension ... took me like 15 minutes to go through all the settings ô_0
Yeah, the settings could be organized a little better… but at least it has them!
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laurenbacall last edited by
Originally posted by findkfn:
Features still lacking
- Tab stacking.
Have you tried the tab utilities addon that was mentioned above ?
Works perfect.
Just enable "dragtostack" in the advanced settings list.Originally posted by zhnujm:
Originally posted by Makavcio:
^ and ^^
I've just spent a coffee break on trying to make FF work like Opera. I tried to install those Tab Utilities, but the newest version seems to be incompatible with the latest firefox and the one I downloaded, a little older version, just made all my tabs flicker and no content is displayed in any of them. Lovely.Just use the newest 1.6pre5 from here, it works fine with the current firefox ( i use v25):
https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/tab-utilities/versions/Tried it out, seems interesting. BTW the 'advanced' setting I could only find via the about:config dialog not via the GUI. The addon is essentially a replacement for Tab Mix Plus.
When stacked the tab background changes to a strange green in my theme, but Stylish could probably fix that.
Strangely Tab Utilities seems to add an irremovable toolbar full of buttons to links of 'Total Commander', 'UltraCompare', 'FreeGate', etc. Bizarre. Can't say I'd want to continue using it based on this experience.
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salahuddin1 last edited by
Wow, that is a great list. Those certainly are a lot of extensions. Did you run them all on Firefox? What is the memory usage like with so many extensions?
Also, is anyone using the Simple Mail extension? I was thinking of testing it out with Firefox, but according to the reviews, it seems like every so often the extension gets broken with a Firefox update and then the extension developer has to catch up with a new version.
I used to use unMHT a while back when I used Firefox (before Opera) and I found that some files didn't work/save properly. Perhaps these issues have been ironed out now, but just in case, I have been saving websites to PDF instead MHT. I personally use Foxit Reader as my primary PDF reader (faster, more functional and lighter than Adobe) and it installs a PDF printer, so you can just print a website to a PDF file. There is also PDFmyURL, which you can drag to your Bookmarks Toolbar.
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laurenbacall last edited by
Originally posted by Salahuddin1:
Wow, that is a great list. Those certainly are a lot of extensions. Did you run them all on Firefox? What is the memory usage like with so many extensions?
I used to use unMHT a while back when I used Firefox (before Opera) and I found that some files didn't work/save properly. Perhaps these issues have been ironed out now, but just in case, I have been saving websites to PDF instead MHT. I personally use Foxit Reader as my primary PDF reader (faster, more functional and lighter than Adobe) and it installs a PDF printer, so you can just print a website to a PDF file. There is also PDFmyURL[/URL" target="_blank">http://PDFmyURL.com]PDFmyURL[/URL], which you can drag to your Bookmarks Toolbar.
Yes, all in Firefox v25. The memory usage is about the same as Opera, even a little less sometimes. As for PDFs Mozilla introduced a custom Javascript renderer in Firefox, so atm I think I'll stick to that for one less addon ;). They really are pushing ahead in that area, recently releasing Shumway, a SWF Flash file renderer in Javascript, too.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by laurenbacall:
Yes, all in Firefox v25. The memory usage is about the same as Opera, even a little less sometimes.
Which version of Opera?
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laurenbacall last edited by
Originally posted by ersi:
Which version of Opera?
Opera 12.15. Looking at the Activity Monitor Opera is currently using about 100MB less virtual and physical memory, but it depends. When I replied initially loading a bunch of the same tabs resulted in the slight edge to Firefox.
A few months ago Opera didn't handle Flash very well and would swell up memory-wise so I enabled the plugins on demand feature which helped greatly. After extended use Opera for me can end up using quite a lot of memory until restarted.
I'll keep an eye on usage over the next week.
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Deleted User last edited by
Weird how programs behave differently in different systems. Sometimes a matter of configuration, sometimes a complete mystery.
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findkfn last edited by
Originally posted by laurenbacall:
Strangely Tab Utilities seems to add an irremovable toolbar full of buttons to links of 'Total Commander', 'UltraCompare', 'FreeGate', etc. Bizarre. Can't say I'd want to continue using it based on this experience.
And you are sure thats because of tab utilities ?
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laurenbacall last edited by
Originally posted by findkfn:
And you are sure thats because of tab utilities ?
I have no such toolbar here.It only appears with that addon enabled, so yes, I'm pretty sure.
New addons
A few more I'm trying out.
Keyconfig (no, not the original one
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Found a much better keyboard customization addon. It's not available through the regular Addon library, you can find it in this thread.It's very nice, and allows for any custom keyboard shortcut (well, combos that is). Uses code for each shortcut, so for more documentation see the thread page, and here and here. It also changes the actual menu shortcut hints, unlike the previous addon I was trying. Not to be confused with the addon in the regular addon library by the same name.
I have replaced the Customizable Shortcuts, Single Key Tab Switch, and Image Block addons with keyconfig. See this thread for the code for Next/Previous tab switching, and this thread for the toggle Images on/off code.
Mozilla Archive Format
An alternative MHT saving addon which is far simpler to install than unMHT and actually integrates into the regular Save As dialog (unlike unMHT). Still prefer Opera 12's MHT output though, as well as the fact that with general file downloading Opera seems to save from cache while Firefox redownloads files (:irked: ).NextPlease
A fast-forward/rewind addon that can be triggered by keyboard shortcuts, buttons or menu items. By default it's very good at choosing the next page of paginated sites, but it can be further enhanced by adding image URLs of buttons from sites to target them specifically, as well as Regexp, etc. -
findkfn last edited by
Originally posted by laurenbacall:
Originally posted by findkfn:
And you are sure thats because of tab utilities ?
I have no such toolbar here.It only appears with that addon enabled, so yes, I'm pretty sure.
Yes, you are right, i found this on the developers page:
Edit: I noticed tabutils has added 5 buttons to my toolbar to launch programs.
One is for notepad and 4 for tools like ultra compare and ultra edit.
You can disable these in about:config by searching for tabutils.button.button_
I just hope Tab Utilities does not become bloatware / adware ...by ithinc (Developer) on October 11, 2013 · permalink
Don't be worry. The shortcut buttons are my personal dev tools. I forgot to remove my personal config file before I release the update.
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Deleted User last edited by
FWIW,
Seamonkey has been one of my main browsers for years, just as Opera has been since version 5.04, when it was still ad supported, and good! -
Deleted User last edited by
I've used SM and it's a decent browser but... it's pretty clunky in comparison to Opera. I doubt more than 1% of users bother with SM. Why it is kept afloat by this little band of devoted fans is beyond me. The browser reminds me of the old Netscape suite back in the 90's. It was fine then but technology has moved on in the past fifteen years.
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blackbird71 last edited byOriginally posted by leushino:
... Why it is kept afloat by this little band of devoted fans is beyond me. The browser reminds me of the old Netscape suite back in the 90's...
Because they are committed to some basic concepts they've embodied in Seamonkey and feel are not adequately embodied elsewhere, and upon which that 1% or so of users you mention depend. I think a number of folks do things, sometimes with little thanks or tangible feedback, simply because they perceive those things to be good in and of themselves - just as some of those same kinds of folks have helped out constructively in the Opera user forums. Would only that there were more of that attitude around in this increasingly jaded world...
It's something to keep in mind in these troubled times when there's a lot of verbal rancor about Opera versions and such. I value and thank all those "regular" Opera users who have poured themselves out helping other users solve technical problems in these forums over the years, regardless of which side of the browser version debates we may currently find ourselves.
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salahuddin1 last edited by
I don't find SeaMonkey to be "clunky." Not quite sure what you mean by that exactly. I'll agree that it is not as visibly appealing as Opera 12 or some of the other common browsers, (it basically looks like the old Firefox). However, it is snappy, quicker than Opera in loading pages, is highly customizable and has many built in features. Personally, a browser's appearance only involves less than 1/10th of the screen, so I don't put too much value on how it looks as long as its functional. That being said, there are many themes you can download to change the appearance of SeaMonkey if that is important to you.
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Deleted User last edited by
Did you say "quicker than Opera in loading pages"??? Not according to Peacekeeper. I challenge you to go over to http://peacekeeper.futuremark.com and test it for yourself. SM is one of the slowest browsers according to their bench tests. It's clunky all right and that is why it has such a small acceptance among users. It is definitely not a viable alternative to Opera unless you want a browser that looks like the old Netscape browser from 1998.
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highstream last edited by
As an email client, for those who can live without true HTM, I'd suggest Sylpheed. Available for people using a number of platforms.
