Originally posted by leushino:

Originally posted by missingno:

@leushino
That is why I put those quotation marks around 'we' - to exclude people like you. And I am not sure if it includes me, as there is much hate for Opera 15+ by a lot of people here. It's not that I cannot understand their anger to a certain extend neither.

Okay... try to see this current situation from a different perspective. Opera Presto was bloated, it was hardly a blip on the radar with most users (truth is, I can't think of a single acquaintance or family member who ever heard of Opera the browser), and it was not meeting the financial expectations of the stockholders. Something needed to be done. After all... 18 years is a long time to remain hovering around the 3% mark. A rewrite was determined to be the best way to proceed. Now whether you or I agree with that solution, that IS the solution that was determined and all the complaining that is now going on "after the fact" will not change anything. It's an accomplished fact and users are going to have to realize this at some point. I agree that Opera could have been more forthright with its user base in presenting its plans early on. It hinted that such was coming but it did not say so outright and when it happened it took a lot of people by surprise. To its credit it has not completely abandoned the old browser in terms of security updates. Users who find the bare-bones new browser to be too lacking in features can continue to use the older versions, albeit as you correctly pointed out, more and more sites will eventually become incompatible. It's unfortunate but it's reality. What to do?

I cannot see any real "good" choices for users whose work depends upon a feature-rich Opera at this point. About all I could suggest would be to use Firefox for their critical work and try out the new browser and all of its future iterations until such time as it does what they require of a browser. What else (constructive, that is) can be said?

I think if you're brutally honest with yourself, you'll admit that a host of one-time posters signing up for the first time and posting angry diatribes against Opera is counter-productive. Sure, their rants can be explained but they can't be justified. They never added anything to the Opera community down through the years, never paid a dime to Opera and about all they did was use Opera's software free of charge. Now they expect Opera to do exactly what they say and if it doesn't they threaten to leave it for another browser. Does anyone really expect such juvenile behavior to be effective? There are about a dozen knowledgeable opponents who post on the forums daily expressing their dissatisfaction with the new browser. All of them know more than I about software and I readily admit this. However, their knowledge notwithstanding, their complaints are not going to change Opera's direction. Some have argued that their complaints have brought about features being added back (or promised). Maybe and then again, maybe not. The truth is, we have no way of knowing whether or not those features would have been returned since Opera has not given a road map (and it's highly unlikely one will be given). Then there are those who turn their anger on people like me. Obviously I'm a shill... I'm being paid by Opera to put out fires and/or present the other side of the coin, neither of which is true. I'm just an average guy who has used Opera for more than a decade (along with other browsers, I might add). I happen to like the new direction and that makes me both an ignoramus (or as one user puts it - a dumbuser) and an avowed enemy. Why? Another poster has claimed that I am a bully. I had no idea my words were so forceful, so powerful and so threatening that I could bully people into silence. In fact, so far I haven't seen any evidence of her claims.

From my perspective I see Opera as a private corporation which must answer to its shareholders first and foremost. And they've demanded changes and so changes are the order of the day. And really... that's the long and short of it whether we agree or disagree. We can threaten to leave Opera, we can post daily that Opera will be destroyed within a year's time, we can argue that Opera needs to open source its Presto version but in the end... why should Opera listen to non-paying users whose numbers don't really mean much anyway?

Well... that's my ramble. I'm not the enemy here (although I'm sure some of the angrier users think of me that way). I'm just stating things the way I see them.

I ain't readin' all that. Opera ain't what it was and that's that. Someone went and neutered it! In its current state, it's a poor man's Chrome. If anybody here's happy with this "update" then I'm not sure why they were using Opera in the first place.