Originally posted by blackbird71:
In the beginning, the players were typically working out of their garages with only hopes and, as you note, "enthusiasm" to sustain them. But that hope was usually to make an eventual Big Profit, among other things. Those who were in it just for "fun" all left long before Big Profit resulted... and so they can't really be considered part of the long build-up that highlight's the eventual success of the effort. Idealism and fun are great, but they don't pay the bills, attract investor capital to enable growth, weather the inevitable business downs and ups, and so on.
this is the simple 'every day fighting'-theory and is ending every 100years in disaster (take Christopher Clark "The Sleepwalkers" - History from 1914, 1929, 1933, ...).
here facts:
As known Carl Zeiss, Karl Benz and many other are not forgotten. They was working especially for the idealism, to create for everyone! Also Henry Ford, but in american way. Their company's are made more than Gates, Jobs,...
But Google, MS, Apple are implemented in the system of control. And all of us is thinking only about our 'current' bill, but unseeing the 'long term bills'.
if Christian have done this way(short term bills), where would be all our attempts for understanding? Captured in a routine 1929/1933 !?!
Originally posted by kamial:
Did you realy mean that everything in a forum has a to be a factual argumentation? I thing not. It's simple - nobody is interested about. It's only a question of explanation of the own experience. Nobody is expecting something in deep. Remember, in IT branch everything "is, as it is". No responsibility, please!
Originally posted by blackbird71:
When you state in a forum: "You are analysing a large amount of user data without taking in consideration of 'WHO is using' and 'HOW they are using'," you are making an accusation about Opera, saying they did not do something.
No!
I point out the miserable GUI adapted to a mass audience, which is not going in deep.
Originally posted by blackbird71:
That may be your opinion (in which case, it should have been prefaced as such), but it's not necessarily based on true facts, a point that @Leushino attempted to make to you. The simple truth is, we who are outside of Opera only know bits and pieces of the true facts about the totality of Opera's market/user research and the details of their analysis methods which led to their Blink Opera decision. So, yes, I do believe that forum statements should at least be factually based or else clearly convey they are the user's own opinion or drawn conclusion. To simply give expression to an emotional or an accusing comment that is not supported by verifiable facts is to stand with one's feet firmly planted in dead air... and it guarantees a fall.
Than make a XDA-like forum - Professional & responsible
Originally posted by blackbird71:
I realize some of this issue may be due to language or cultural differences in expressing things. But successful communications occur only when both the sender and receiver derive and understand the same information from a message. Anything else is "noise" that obscures the message and blocks successful communications. When critical comments are involved, even in a forum, it's extremely important to clearly separate fact, emotion, and opinion from one another. Otherwise, flame battles and wars can and do result.
You have absolutely right! But read the complete theme "Opera 15 disaster" and your 'wise' statements.
We are not Developers! This is not a Project Meeting!
Short example:
a car have placed the steering wheel in front. And if a company is 'designing' a new model with steering wheel for the rear seats, than long term users of this company products can share experience and tell opinions!
is this correct?
if someone is interested from the company, he can make a special announcements!
Originally posted by blackbird71:
complaint threads and postings about all of this in these forums, beyond this one. If Opera was going to change their direction, they would have said so during the past year. But they have not. It's a "done deal", and Opera's not turning back. So, the only valid response to all the complaints now is to tell the complainers that the battle is over... Opera has made their decisions, restaffed, and spent their money. Opera users need to somehow adapt to that reality - there are no alternatives.
I don't understand what is rational in such a understanding.
User really will walk in future on hands? Opera is deaf? ...because some "Schwarzenegger" is looking good in this 'modern way'.
Where are the eyes? Where are the facts?
For new Opera mobile-GUI: how finger are stressed, context-menu is complicated , copy&paste function is complicated , bookmarks transformed in simple albums loosing the overview and complicated
>>or is this done to have a better overview on private data (today's users present to Big Profit/Data >> next step slavery - George Orwell) <<
or ..., 'helping'-steps toward the Grandma&Grandpa level (sorry!)
Originally posted by blackbird71:
As for myself, I've migrated mainly to Firefox. While I still hope Opera eventually gets its design into a form that users like you and I can enjoy once again, I'm getting on with my browsing life amidst these new realities.
I agree with you! right!
But for my instance, i prefer THIS Opera GUI in the 'mobile Opera 12'. It has the BEST tactile feedback and is fulfilling human operating rules.
Today everything has to be 'changed' to be 'modern' because many of the 'users' are fallowing dogmas from trivial marketing managers. The anonymous 'Market' is responsible! Are we living for the Market?
In my post this was the opinion what was leading me in this forum.
If Opera can involve some specialists in a forum like XDA-developers (fallowed with interest by HTC, MS,...) right from the beginning of a new design, it would be better.
I use Opera 12. lab and classic and on Windows/mobile/7/BB/ till something is changed.
Thanks for understanding + kind greetings to all
