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  • Forgot all about this board. Been years.

    Looks like lots of changes.

    Read post downboard about all the apparent removals of things in new versions.

    Still using Version 10.10 Build 1893 which works well. I remember there were a lot of things about V12 that I didn't like. Wasn't 10 the last of the style? Didn't the whole browser change look after this?

    This board seems stripped bare of what it used to be too.

  • You're not a monkey, huh?

    Speaking of moons, it's New Year today.
    I first read your title like "beer on the Moon" or something...

  • Indeed, since 10.1 was released in late 2009, a LOT has changed with Opera. Many changes in the old Presto Opera versions evolved a release or two at a time: a new script engine here, an altered skin there, a feature added, an old feature removed, and so on. Some of those changes were more noticed by users than others. A little over two years ago, Opera took the decision to abandon its own custom rendering engine (the core of the browser) because of the heavy costs and difficulty of keeping it current with evolving web practices and website coding. Web sites were increasingly discriminating proactively against Opera to avoid having to constantly test for its unique rendering engine against the site's code updates, and it was a continual battle for Opera to maintain website compatibility on its own, especially for the increasingly complex-coded and popular social and webmail sites.

    With the decision to abandon the Presto engine came the decision to adopt the rendering engine from chromium, an offshoot of Chrome, that was "publicly" being maintained and further developed. This required that the other elements of the Opera browser be totally newly designed from the ground up... hence it now bears very little (if any) 'legacy' carry-over from the old Presto days. The nature of the new rendering engine imposes very different and stronger architectural constraints and limitations on what can be done with the other aspects of the browser. This is one reason that Chrome-legacy browsers all have so many distinctly-noticed, similar traits to one another (one of which is a lack of detailed configurability). But they do share two key traits: they are fast and almost universally compatible with almost all websites.

    About a year later, Opera migrated its forums from MyOpera to the current arrangement. This entailed removing the many user blogs and altering many other things impacting the Opera Community. With great change comes great controversy... and that certainly has happened here as well. Some Opera users, especially those who require a browser to contain lots of configurability features or many internal features have departed Opera for other environs (Firefox, Maxthon, the fast-emerging Vivaldi, and the slow-emerging Otter browsers). Those who departed include a large number of the resident-expert 'gurus' who used to haunt these forums, as well as a fair number of the original Opera developers. So the flavor and look of everything has changed greatly here. Only time will reveal the degree of wisdom of Opera's decisions or the unfolding impact on the usefulness and appearance of the browser and these forums.

  • ^^ Sounds like killing the horses so you don't have to buy hay, but still needing a way to get to town and haul supplies.

  • Amen.

  • ^^ Sounds like killing the horses so you don't have to buy hay, but still needing a way to get to town and haul supplies.

    To which some 'fans' might reply that you can instead use a motorbike and get there faster over narrower roads. But, of course, the reply by critics to THAT would be that you can't carry much on a motorbike, so it takes more trips and is a lot more work for the rider. And so, the debate rages on. 😉

    My own view is that all web browsers are currently free, and the makers can do what they wish - as of course, they'll do anyhow, regardless of my views. As users, we're all free to use the ones we wish, for the reasons that matter to us. It's a flex arrangement. If the browser is free, the users have little effectual say in what the makers put into it. Conversely, if the browser's free, I own no pony in the race, so my loyalty to a given browser brand becomes effectually zero as well. A toast to the curious world of free software... :wine:

  • Busy place I see.