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  • Oh and btw, Opera 12 only supports 4/7 HTML5 capabilities in Peacekeeper. SeaMonkey supports all 7.

    Also, try playing this next generation browser launched game from Crytek: Warface. Opera 12 can't support it. SeaMonkey can.

    So clearly your comment on SeaMonkey not being a "viable alternative to Opera" holds little weight.

  • I tested SM, FF, IE 10 and Opera Next and SM came in dead last on the Peacekeeper site. That is where I got the comparison. If SM were such an awesome suite, it would have far more supporters than it currently does. BUT... if it floats your boat, then more power to you.

    Aside: the Tom's Hardware tests are a half year old and therefore reasonably inaccurate.

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    I tested SM, FF, IE 10 and Opera Next and SM came in dead last on the Peacekeeper site. That is where I got the comparison. If SM were such an awesome suite, it would have far more supporters than it currently does. BUT... if it floats your boat, then more power to you.

    Aside: the Tom's Hardware tests are a half year old and therefore reasonably inaccurate.

    I wonder if you ever reread your posts to realize how devoid of logic some of your statements are. I've already demonstrated that Peacekeeper isn't the holy grail of browser performance. Why don't you run Dromeo on all those browsers and post your scores? Or use Numion to see which browser loads pages the quickest? I just ran Peacekeeper and got 2069 in SeaMonkey 2.22 and 2628 in Opera 12.16, where SeaMonkey supported 7/7 HTML capabilities and Opera only 4/7 (click details on the results to see).

    And just to take your own sentence to show you how absurd it is: "If "Opera" were such an awesome suite, it would have far more supporters than it currently does." Obviously the number of "supporters" a browser has is not directly related to how good it is. It is related to how well known it is. Opera has had a <1.5% desktop usage share for years. I guess that means Opera is a bad browser? Internet Explorer 10's browsers share is second to Chrome, well that must mean IE is the second best browser! SeaMonkey is relatively unknown and is not advertised, of course it will have low usage. I would think an Opera user of all people would understand this.

    Your "Aside" statement also makes no sense. Browsers haven't changed so much in 5 months that any of those tests would be significantly different. Peacekeeper scores have remained pretty similar between browsers for years with Chrome>Opera>FF>IE. Opera Next can't even get bookmarks in 5 months, but that whole Tom's Hardware review is "reasonably inaccurate" because you said so... right.

  • Look. Let's try this another way. You have found SeaMonkey and think it will meet your needs. Good for you. I've used SeaMonkey since its inception and frankly, I find it old-style and clunky... period. You think that all of the tests prove your position that it is a viable alternative. Bully for you. Go use it and be happy. What makes no sense (since we're dealing with logic now) is why you continue to hang about here since Opera no longer meets your needs. Oh yeah.... you're trying to lead others to the Promised Land. I get it. Okay...

    SeaMonkey is the best thing since sliced bread (even though less than 1% of users worldwide even bother with it). Everyone migrate to SeaMonkey.

    How's that? Uttered from the lips of an Opera fanboy! :lol:

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    What makes no sense (since we're dealing with logic now) is why you continue to hang about here since Opera no longer meets your needs. Oh yeah.... you're trying to lead others to the Promised Land. I get it. Okay...

    I don't get this constant whining either.

    They're not happy with Opera, OK, we know by now, we get it. Everyone with a brain of at least a potato gets it. So why repeat over and over and over? Please, just leave. Fall in love with a new browser and torture their forums.

    Reading these very repetitious anecdotes of shock, horror, betrayal, angst and so forth is, frankly, so immature.:bye:

  • lol, even when you think you're using logic, you aren't. You're constantly trolling everyone's posts when they have nothing to do with you. Why don't you take you're own advice? "Look at it this way, you like Opera Next even though it has lost the functionality of the old Opera. YOU think its a viable alternative. Good for you. I've used Opera Next since its inception and frankly, I find it horrendous, period. Use it and be happy. Why don't you leave others alone to discuss the topics they wish to discuss in their posts?... Oh yeah, your misplaced fanboy pride can't stand anyone using any other browser or saying anything against your featureless browser! So you MUST respond negatively to everyone possible who doesn't like the new Opera! You MUST show everyone that integrated email, bookmarks and whatever feature anyone else wants really doesn't matter! I get it, ok..."

    I continue to read this thread because of its topic. I'm looking for what other alternatives people have tried and what is working for them. I didn't say SeaMonkey was the best, I didn't say anyone should switch to it, and I've actually learned a few things from other Opera users (not you of course) who have posted here.

    I was defending the viability of SeaMonkey because of nonsense you posted in this thread. Making statements like they are fact when you have very little understanding of what you are talking about. I mentioned my testing because you claimed SeaMonkey was not a viable alternative and I proved you wrong. What is YOU'RE point in posting here other than to degrade other people's alternatives in this thread? This is a thread discussing Opera alternatives which you obviously don't need. So, since we are NOW talking logic, I suggest you go troll somewhere else.

    You know, you may think you're pretty intelligent, but all you're doing on these forums is annoying people. If you were truly intelligent you would see that. Or perhaps annoying others is what gives you satisfaction in life. You're not going to force people into loving or using the new Opera and all these witty posts you think you make are just serving to further turn off existing Opera users (the less than 1.5% of users worldwide that bother with it as you would put it). If you think the Opera team appreciates that or that you're helping them in any way, by all means continue.

  • Anyway, back on topic ;). Cross-posting from another thread in case it may be helpful:

    Originally posted by laurenbacall:

    Originally posted by serious:

    Well, not stopped using it, but def. pushing back any upgrade and looking for viable replacements (firefox looks good with a handful of extensions), but need yet to find something that supports bookmarks shortcuts which I use waaay often.

    The Add Bookmark HereΒ² addon for Firefox can add keywords to bookmarks (it basically uses the same system Firefox uses for custom searches but adds it to bookmarks). Forgot to mention this in that addons list I posted about :p

    The Speed Dial addon also allows adding of multiple sites per tile, separated by a pipe character (|). It can then be used as a kind of bookmark folder, opening each site in it's own tab.

    I would have added it to my original post if it weren't for the 24-hour edit limit :rolleyes:

  • Originally posted by Salahuddin1:

    You know, you may think you're pretty intelligent, but all you're doing on these forums is annoying people. If you were truly intelligent you would see that. Or perhaps annoying others is what gives you satisfaction in life.

    You constantly attack me personally rather than deal with the subject matter. That tells me that your argument is a weak one. Please stop the personal attacks. There is no call for that. Thanks.

    Returning to the subject at hand (i.e. alternatives to the Opera suite) the choices are few but very evident and truly not requiring a thread in my opinion.

    - FF/TB
    - Chrome/gmail,yahoo,gmx,outlook (to name a few webmail accounts) OR The Bat, Windows Live Mail
    - IE 11/see above (assuming you have Windows 8.1)
    - SeaMonkey

    OR
    - stick with Opera Presto (recommended) and keep an install of Opera Next to watch its development

    None of this should be difficult for anyone to figure out for himself and make his own decision. All it takes is a little searching (i.e. YouTube, PC World, PC Mag, etc) and a willingness to experiment. I said it from the start and I continue to believe it: this does not necessitate a thread. Surely at this level most people can figure this out for themselves with a little searching. Besides - these alternatives have been presented countless times in dozens of threads already.

  • Here are the alternatives:

    Opera 17 + Outlook.com / Yahoo! Mail / GMail / Your Personal Choice.
    Opera 17 + Opera Mail
    Opera 17 + Thunderbird
    And so on...

    You're welcome!

  • Originally posted by rafaelluik:

    Here are the alternatives:

    Opera 17 + Outlook.com / Yahoo! Mail / GMail / Your Personal Choice.
    Opera 17 + Opera Mail
    Opera 17 + Thunderbird
    And so on...

    You're welcome!

    For what reason? Just for a loyalty to a lovely brand-name and app's icon?

    Opera 17 isn't better than any other Chromium-based clones (Blink's shells):
    - UI is immensely backward and primitive
    - Nearly zero customizability and personalization
    - Resources hogging and memory eating
    - Chrome's extensions means limited functionality (due to the API) with really bad affection on a cpu/memory consumption

  • Originally posted by rafaelluik:

    Here are the alternatives:

    Opera 17 + Outlook.com / Yahoo! Mail / GMail / Your Personal Choice.
    Opera 17 + Opera Mail
    Opera 17 + Thunderbird
    And so on...

    You're welcome!

    Good stuff. πŸ˜ƒ

  • Originally posted by STNG:

    Originally posted by rafaelluik:

    Here are the alternatives:

    Opera 17 + Outlook.com / Yahoo! Mail / GMail / Your Personal Choice.
    Opera 17 + Opera Mail
    Opera 17 + Thunderbird
    And so on...

    You're welcome!

    For what reason? Just for a loyalty to a lovely brand-name and app's icon?

    Yeah it's only because I like Opera icon better. πŸ˜‰

  • Yeah... it's better than some crustacean. πŸ˜‰

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    ... Returning to the subject at hand (i.e. alternatives to the Opera suite) the choices are few but very evident and truly not requiring a thread in my opinion.

    - FF/TB
    - Chrome/gmail,yahoo,gmx,outlook (to name a few webmail accounts) OR The Bat, Windows Live Mail
    - IE 11/see above (assuming you have Windows 8.1)
    - SeaMonkey
    OR
    - stick with Opera Presto (recommended) and keep an install of Opera Next to watch its development

    None of this should be difficult for anyone to figure out for himself and make his own decision. All it takes is a little searching (i.e. YouTube, PC World, PC Mag, etc) and a willingness to experiment. I said it from the start and I continue to believe it: this does not necessitate a thread. Surely at this level most people can figure this out for themselves with a little searching. Besides - these alternatives have been presented countless times in dozens of threads already.

    Well, IMHO, you've left out a couple of genuine contenders, depending on Old-Opera user preferences and habits: there are also Dooble, Cyberfox64, and Maxthon... which would make your "list" into:

    - FF/TB
    - Chrome/gmail,yahoo,gmx,outlook (to name a few webmail accounts) OR The Bat, Windows Live Mail
    - IE 11/see above (assuming you have Windows 8.1)
    - SeaMonkey
    - Maxthon/gmail,yahoo,gmx,outlook (to name a few webmail accounts) OR The Bat, Windows Live Mail
    - Dooble
    - Cyberfox64/TB

    Once one takes into consideration the various methods of customizing some of the members of this browser array to achieve the wide range of performance needs of different Old-Opera users, there is most certainly a justification for a thread like this! I, for one, have already learned some good ideas from this thread about how some of the alternatives I'm trialing can be tweaked and customized.

    You might argue whether the thread belongs in the Opera forums in the first place, but I'll leave that up to the mods. Opera users who are looking at alternative browsers like this are users who have developed needs and desires for how a browser ought to serve them, based on Old Opera's profound customizability over the years... and they are simply trading information to try to recreate a browser that serves their needs. If Opera wants, and is able, to develop their New Opera browser to achieve that, then well and good. But thus far, they haven't, in these users estimation... hence this thread is providing an appropriately-titled, one-stop view of alternative browsers that can be tweaked/modified to meet needs of other Opera users - a focus for which one can look long and hard (but vainly) out on the Intertubes - I know, because for almost a year, I've been trying.

  • Well... I'm glad you learned something. Very good. Hopefully all those poor lost souls will find the alternative browsers they require and migrate to them. And so the story goes.... on and on.

  • anybody yet found a way to make FF(derivatives) doing 'Spatial Navigation'?

  • Originally posted by alf5000:

    anybody yet found a way to make FF(derivatives) doing 'Spatial Navigation'?

    There was http://www.mozilla.org/access/keyboard/snav/

    But even though that page was last updated in 2012, in 2011 they apparently decided to remove support: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670880#c2

    Anyhoo, there's other alternatives:
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mouseless-browsing/
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimperator/

  • @Frenzie - whow, that was a really quick answer!
    I read it as 'No, there isn't a way to teach FF Spatial Navigation'.

    My replacement for Opera Presto (THREE different applications and a ton of extra addons --- O<12 was really an impressive program)
    - FF
    - Thunderbird (with the nice side effect of the Lightening Addon)
    - Autohotkey
    - lots and lots of addons (laurenbacall did a nice summary above)

    just want to add some addons to laurenbacalls's list - well, not actually to make FF more resemble Opera but I came across these addons when trying to make FF behave like Opera -- I quite like them
    Imagus: The extension is intended to complement/extend the browser's image handling capabilities
    Autopager: a Firefox extension which automatically loads the next page of a site inline when you reach the end of the current page
    Element Hiding Helper for Adblock Plus: Element Hiding Helper is a companion extension for Adblock Plus meant to make creating element hiding rules easier.
    Fox Input: Keyboard-friendly addon that lets you access search fields, input fields etc
    Hide Caption Titlebar Plus: Maximize your screen space by controlling the presence of Firefox window Title-bar (Caption) & borders!
    HyperTranslate: Advanced inline translator: Select the text then press selected key to translate selection.
    XMarks: FREE Bookmark Sync

  • In reading these last few posts, I realize that I've been wrong about the usefulness of this thread. I was wrong. It definitely has a positive role to play in helping out other Opera users.

  • Originally posted by rilef:

    Add keywords to Firefox or SeaMonkey bookmarks by right-clicking any bookmark, then select Properties. No extension is necessary. Firefox and SeaMonkey keywords work like Opera 12 bookmark nicknames.

    Ah, I can see it now (on OSX there's no Properties context menu item for bookmarks), there's an 'expand' arrow in the bookmark manager pane that displays the extra input box. Good to know πŸ†™, saves an extra addon for some.

    I suppose the benefit of the addon is adding the Keyword input box to the pop-up bookmark star in the addressbar when you first create one, as well as Description, and a few other options, similar to expanding Opera's 'Details' button.