Opera 17 - bookmarks and other troubles
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by Al-Khwarizmi:
I just don't see any advantage to alternative 1.
I do, which is why I often recommend reading the forum rules, then searching before posting. Users can correct their behaviour and find the help that they need, or have a long flame-war. True, the latter doesn't help the angry user, but the benefit for those who learn to calm down, search, then post, is worth the effort. Some people never learn, but that should not stop everyone from learning.
A strictly moderated forum is best for everyone.
Do nothing is also an option, but then Mr angry poster may stimulate more angry "Me too" posts.
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handsomechip last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
The venom misdirected by confused or disgruntled users posting here is the main reason why new members cannot find the information they need. If everyone respected the forum rules and terms of service, it would be easy to find out how to recover your bookmarks in Opera 12.16 or how to import them to Opera 17.
...you do understand the only reason Richard and I are posting "venom" is IN RESPONSE to the snarky, insulting behavior by you and people like you? That's circular logic. No reading comprehension, no personality, and no critical thinking skills. No wonder you can't help anybody!
No, the main reason this is a mess is the awful way you've handled things. The new versions of opera are causing problems for the users. Searching, the main thing we see is people being flamed or insulted for asking a simple question.
Originally posted by Pesala:
Originally posted by Al-Khwarizmi:
I just don't see any advantage to alternative 1.
Do nothing is also an option, but then Mr angry poster may stimulate more angry "Me too" posts.
You assume just because you do nothing, no one else will either. Ever hear of "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"?
Originally posted by Al-Khwarizmi:
Honestly I think sticklering to forum rules, regardless of whether it's "right" or "wrong" from a moral point of view, is not practical. Dealing with annoyed people (and there are plenty with the new versions of Opera) takes some psychology, it's not very useful to act as if every person in the world was 100% rational at all times because it's just not the case.
Annoyed user comes complaining about bookmarks. Possible answers:
1. Write (or copy-paste) a text about forum rules. Consequence: long flamewar thread ensues (we have seen it a lot of times).
2. Copy-paste a text about the current status of bookmarks. Same amount of work as alternative 1. Consequence: maybe a few posts about how bad that is, but no flamewar because no one will get personally offended by a post.
3. Do nothing. Even less amount of work. Consequence: probably same as 2.
I just don't see any advantage to alternative 1.
Not an option. This is apparently their only source of self-esteem in their life. What other reason is there to come and do the same thing over and over again to innocent people, to the same result?
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by handsomechip:
Ever hear of "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"?
Physician, heal thyself! :whistle:
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Deleted User last edited by
That's odd... it works for me. Are we to assume then that the usual geek crowd who use the Opera browser can't figure out how to do a little research on their own without having to have their hands held? I've admitted to not being nearly as computer literate as many of the complainers of the new Opera browser but even I could figure out how to find the information regarding Opera Next without the necessity of having a "pinned guide" provided by the moderators and/or those responsible for the overall website. I think Pesala's suggestions are very realistic.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by handsomechip:
you do understand the only reason Richard and I are posting "venom" is IN RESPONSE to the snarky, insulting behavior by you and people like you?
The only reason you're posting personal attacks violating the TOS is because you failed to read the rules that you agreed to on signing up, or because you need some help with anger management.
What would have been the result of post 1 by you, if you had found a previous thread on lost bookmarks in 12.16 and fixed the issue yourself, or failing that, posted in that thread to say, “Hi guys, I tried this, but it didn't work for me. What else can I try?” Or, if you had started a new thread asking for help, “I searched for help on lost bookmarks, but couldn't find a relevant thread because I am using an old version, 12.16.”
The fault of Mr Angry Poster is his alone. Other users will respond according to the original post. No one will get insulted or flamed if they don't post insults and flame-bait.
Originally posted by scratchspace:
a strictly moderated forum is best for everyone
It is. This thread would have been locked or removed by the third post. xyzzy80 hasn't even posted again, so the rest is surely a waste of everyone's time and energy, unless Mr Angry Poster has finally learnt that ranting or venting is not the best way to get help on a user2user support forum, or any support forum.
Fact is, xyzzy80 came to rant, not to seek a solution to his problem.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by scratchspace:
That relentless injunction is, in my view, only making a bad situation worse.
Some would call it tone trolling. That being said, the way these one-post wonders are all showing up to badmouth Pesala and leushino smells of unwashed socks.
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Deleted User last edited by
Alright, you make a reasonable point. There's no question but that Opera handled this entire situation poorly. They released an unfinished browser with relatively little information regarding their plans. In addition the download page makes it difficult to find the latest Presto version and it would be easy for someone looking to upgrade his older version to mistakenly upgrade to the Next version creating all kinds of confusion. I agree... it was pretty slip-shod.
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Deleted User last edited by
Once again, I find myself agreeing with everything you've said here. It just makes sense. Maybe I need to go lie down. I'm generally not this agreeable.
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handsomechip last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Originally posted by handsomechip:
you do understand the only reason Richard and I are posting "venom" is IN RESPONSE to the snarky, insulting behavior by you and people like you?
The only reason you're posting personal attacks violating the TOS is because you failed to read the rules that you agreed to on signing up, or because you need some help with anger management.
Who cares about the rules, you useless pedantic tool? Especially if they allow people like you to be condescending, insulting pricks but don't allow anyone to respond in kind! And as if your beloved rules are even enforced at all. Some rules, some community, some browser. Enjoy your iron-fist stewardship of this forum, basement liege, backseat moderator! Bye-bye now.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by handsomechip:
Who cares about the rules,
I do, because it makes for a harmonious community, and encourages Mr Angry Poster to leave, even before he gets banned. Your posts show your true reasons for posting here — you lost your bookmarks, and just wanted to vent. I sincerely hope you find a solution to your problem.
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skipme last edited by
Wow, I just waisted 30 mins of my life reading this. You guys transformed this rant post in a who-has-more-testosteron fight (its against the rules to call it the other way). I agree that the rules must be respected, but the OP is not about that and you are way off-topic (rules?).
On topic, I am a happy opera user since '99 and I must say that now I'm very disappointed. Opera was always innovating and most of the features that we currently use in browsers (any) were pioneered by Opera. The first time I launched Opera 17 I was like What the f-word is this POS????? Its like Internet explorer with a different logo. I will be using 12.16 until they integrate Opera Link, I can't live without it. -
A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by skipme:
On topic
Your POSt is also off-topic — do some searching, and read some more useful threads than this one. Or, just use Opera 12.16 if you prefer to remain ignorant of the real issues. Synch will return in time — they're working on it.
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A Former User last edited by
Wow...
As a newbie to the forums here, I am really surprised and somewhat taken aback at the level of hostility towards a fairly straightforward question. I have just installed a new Opera browser, not upgraded, and with v.18 as my first experience of opera i was also facing the same confusion over bookmarks (and confusion over the terminology. IE: how do you know to search for quick access bar if you dont know that's what it's called?).
Anyway, lets be much more supportive on here please? If you feel the need to be condescending or that a question is somehow beneath you then simply dont waste anyone's time in replying, easy. Unhelpful replies are simply that - unhelpful.For the record, I also searched operas own help area and found i to be next to useless, hence i found my way here.
Cheers
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by jadasa78:
I am really surprised and somewhat taken aback at the level of hostility towards a fairly straightforward question
It wasn't a straightforward question — it was a rant. We have seen far too many over the last three months. Politely ask a straightforward question like this guy, and you will get a polite and straightforward answer, if not from me, then from any one of dozens of helpful users on this forum.
We understand the frustration of the big changes caused by the new Opera, but we are only users — we do not work for Opera, and we have no responsibility for when it was released, or how it was designed, so don't be too surprised if hostility is reciprocated.
Replies that explain how to get a useful reply are extremely helpful, if the OP refuses to follow the advice to read the rules and search before posting, that is their own fault.
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Ekvinox last edited by
Ok... do we need to post a freaking picture.. the qba is nothing like what we need... why ffs why did they throw out or hide this stuf?
How can i make opera 17 look like this?
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luxor last edited byOriginally posted by Ekvinox:
How can i make opera 17 look like this?
Simple answer is, you can't.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by Ekvinox:
just wanted to hear what Mr. Pesala has to say about this...
So you were just trolling.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by Ekvinox:
Just like u are without showing us a solution to our problems..
I already gave you the solution in my first post: “Rule #1 Search before posting.” The forum search is really not that bad. If not for all these rant threads it would be very easy to find solutions. As it is, searching should take no more than 5 minutes. Luxor already gave the short answer. If you want something as close as possible then the QAB is the best solution.
