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  • Actually I still fail to migrate to Firefox. Once in a time, I try to browse with it, but vanilla fox is unusable to me and even if I install a shitload of extensions I still miss features from Opera. However, with Opium even Internet Explorer is an option (on Windows, of course). That is just how bad it is. (Granted, IE did catch up a little bit in versions 10 and 11, too.)

  • Originally posted by missingno:

    Actually I still fail to migrate to Firefox. Once in a time, I try to browse with it, but vanilla fox is unusable to me and even if I install a shitload of extensions I still miss features from Opera. However, with Opium even Internet Explorer is an option (on Windows, of course). That is just how bad it is. (Granted, IE did catch up a little bit in versions 10 and 11, too.)

    ie caught up a lot. they're really fast and secure now. all those security holes are plugged (as of present anyway). they have active x filtering, smartscreen filter and a very secure protected mode to take on chromes sandbox.

  • Originally posted by biggerabalone:

    ie caught up a lot. they're really fast and secure now.

    To understand the difference between IE - especially for operating systems such as Vista and XP - and Opera, look at the summary at the bottom of
    http://caniuse.com/#agents=desktop&statuses=rec
    It shows that IE8 and 9 support far less web standards than Opera. I've seen web designers curse because of the time they lose making web sites compatible to IE.

  • Look at the PeaceKeeper and HTML5 Results for IE11 and Firefox, even compared to Opera 11.64 they are poor. Of course, benchmark tests are only part of what makes a browser fast (in use), which is why I am still with Opera 11.64.

    Opera 19.0.1326.47 scored 3969 and 6/7
    Opera 11.64 build 1403 scored 3194 and 5/7
    Internet Explorer 11 scored 2392 and 5/7
    Firefox 26.0 scored 2419 and 7/7

  • Originally posted by labourer:

    Originally posted by biggerabalone:

    ie caught up a lot. they're really fast and secure now.

    To understand the difference between IE - especially for operating systems such as Vista and XP - and Opera, look at the summary at the bottom of
    http://caniuse.com/#agents=desktop&statuses=rec
    It shows that IE8 and 9 support far less web standards than Opera. I've seen web designers curse because of the time they lose making web sites compatible to IE.

    ie 8 and 9 are old news and old tech. its like saying ie 11 supports more web standards than opera presto. truth is, ie is a dominate browser, 1 in 4 use it. and it only lost so much ground in recent years because of the unpatched security holes in 8 and 9 (which gave tons of bad publicity). their usage will likely increase again with 11 (unless new holes surface and are unpatched). its hard to not have so many users when it comes installed on windows.

    and in terms of security, here's a good read:

    "Internet Explorer 10 not only blocks over 99% of malware, but also has fewer software vulnerabilities than other browsers on Windows."

    https://blogs.windows.com/ie/b/ie/archive/2013/06/21/internet-explorer-10-provides-safer-browsing.aspx?Redirected=true

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    Another useless thread. There is no attempt to ask for help in this thread. It should be closed (along with several others today). You guys make me laugh with your little grandstanding, soapbox bye-bye routine. You want to go bye-bye? Then go. Why announce it? Surely you can't think that anyone from Opera will read a thread like this one. Just go.

    You're as bad. Every time anyone complains about Opera you come out with the same, tired old speech.

    I wish you'd give it a rest because, like the people you respond to, your contribution adds nothing useful at all.

  • Originally posted by biggerabalone:

    ...truth is, ie is a dominate browser, 1 in 4 use it.......
    and in terms of security, here's a good read.......

    People love sticking to their old prejudices. Truth is, IE11 is amongst the very best in terms of security, speed, stability and standards compliance. It is no longer the laughing stock of the browser world.

    HOWEVER - it has one major failing which renders it a show-stopper for me: it has almost no customisability at all. Damn shame, really.

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    Look at the PeaceKeeper and HTML5 Results for IE11 and Firefox, even compared to Opera 11.64 they are poor. Of course, benchmark tests are only part of what makes a browser fast (in use), which is why I am still with Opera 11.64.

    Opera 19.0.1326.47 scored 3969 and 6/7
    Opera 11.64 build 1403 scored 3194 and 5/7
    Internet Explorer 11 scored 2392 and 5/7
    Firefox 26.0 scored 2419 and 7/7

    lol, i just tried it on my opera 12.16 ... ouch. maybe because its the linux version on an archaic thinkpad.

    pcmag wrote this (about a year ago):

    In a more real-world test of browser page-loading speed, though IE10 has been found to outstrip Chrome, Firefox, and the rest. New Relic, a Web monitoring service that measures the performance of 40 billion page views per month, found in its Real User Monitoring data that the average response time for IE10 was significantly faster than all other browsers, the only one returning a time under 4 seconds.

    i looked up the results: http://blog.newrelic.com/2012/11/06/browser-wars-a-new-installment-of-our-ongoing-series-on-browser-speed/#

    who know? half the speed test on the internet are funded by google. another page (toms hardware or something) found firefox to be the fastest, with opera next at second. depends what the criteria of the tests i suppose. but ie 11 is competitive and the test by new relic gives a lot of statistical evidence.

  • Originally posted by biggerabalone:

    ie 8 and 9 are old news and old tech.

    Yes, but IE8 is the most recent IE version available for XP users, and IE9 is the most recent IE version available for Vista users.

  • XP is end of life in April 2014 and Vista has a market share like good old Opera which is the latest version of Opera for Linux users. So what?

  • Don't forget Microsoft still has not joined W3C... Pretend I've never been here.

  • Originally posted by rafaelluik:

    Don't forget Microsoft still has not joined W3C...

    W3C Current Members

  • @Krake Oops. Sorry, I wasn't aware of that.

    @biggerabalone I wouldn't trust NSS Labs.

  • Originally posted by Krake:

    Originally posted by rafaelluik:

    Don't forget Microsoft still has not joined W3C...

    W3C Current Members

    And that's not a recent thing. :right: (random find from 1997)

  • Originally posted by missingno:

    XP is end of life in April 2014 and Vista has a market share like good old Opera which is the latest version of Opera for Linux users. So what?

    I beg to differ. On the desktop platform - which accounts for 72% of all page views - Vista's usage share is 4.0 %, whereas Presto-based Opera's usage share is 0.73 %. Source: http://statcounter.com Jan. 2014.

  • Originally posted by Staiger:

    HOWEVER - it has one major failing which renders it a show-stopper for me: it has almost no customisability at all. Damn shame, really.

    Well, at least it does have a classic menu bar that you can enable temporarily or permanently if you want, unlike Chrome and the new Opera.

  • @labourer
    Both are insignificant low.

  • Originally posted by missingno:

    Both are insignificant low.

    I suppose we can only agree to disagree here. I consider 110 millions Vista users to be a substantial number of users.

  • Originally posted by Al-Khwarizmi:

    Originally posted by Staiger:

    HOWEVER - it has one major failing which renders it a show-stopper for me: it has almost no customisability at all. Damn shame, really.

    Well, at least it does have a classic menu bar that you can enable temporarily or permanently if you want, unlike Chrome and the new Opera.

    OMG killer feature!!!!!!1111 I'm switching now!1!!1

  • Originally posted by rafaelluik:

    Originally posted by Al-Khwarizmi:

    Originally posted by Staiger:

    HOWEVER - it has one major failing which renders it a show-stopper for me: it has almost no customisability at all. Damn shame, really.

    Well, at least it does have a classic menu bar that you can enable temporarily or permanently if you want, unlike Chrome and the new Opera.

    OMG killer feature!!!!!!1111 I'm switching now!1!!1

    Sometimes you crack me up, Rafael. :lol:

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