bye opera
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arakrune last edited by
actually no so much grandstanding
more a lament
i have kept abreast of the changes and what the development team has been doing which is why i am over opera
i don't like the direction its going
the functionality i liked about opera just isn't there to be honest
i know why they are doing it and understand it, doesn't mean i like it or that i agree with it
and yes i do understand why the they cant use presto
html5 changes the browser game and is starting a new browser war, and i think opera is going in wrong direction with it
so i am done
sad thing is pretty much every browser out is mostly useless -
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shandra last edited by
Originally posted by TreeGo:
Firefox is the way to go nowadays; Opera 19 falls quite a bit behind in my estimation.
[sarcasm]
And isn't it cynical if we think about those old days where this Phoenix-thing came to being? Us Opera Nerds feeling so superiour with our "Has it all, developed it before, ..." Browser compared to those ridiculous firesomething-fanboys? Us having the fully edged out Blueprint for what those Devs just thought to invent for their lil' pet-browser? This crappy security-riscs called extentions we have never needed (but sadly, in some way still got'em in the end) and laughed about. Sigh... yeah, bitter sweet irony that it has come to this. Us migrating to the old "enemy" just because that wannabe clone by now is somehow the closest thing we can get as a substitute for our lost love?
*"And so, all the night-tide, I lie down by the side // Of my darling—my darling—my life and my bride, // In her sepulchre there by the sea— // In her tomb by the sounding sea." [E.A. Poe, Annabel Lee] *
[/sarcasm]Damned and so it seems that I am getting old and crumpy :sigh:
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missingno last edited by
Actually I still fail to migrate to Firefox. Once in a time, I try to browse with it, but vanilla fox is unusable to me and even if I install a shitload of extensions I still miss features from Opera. However, with Opium even Internet Explorer is an option (on Windows, of course). That is just how bad it is. (Granted, IE did catch up a little bit in versions 10 and 11, too.)
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biggerabalone last edited by
Originally posted by missingno:
Actually I still fail to migrate to Firefox. Once in a time, I try to browse with it, but vanilla fox is unusable to me and even if I install a shitload of extensions I still miss features from Opera. However, with Opium even Internet Explorer is an option (on Windows, of course). That is just how bad it is. (Granted, IE did catch up a little bit in versions 10 and 11, too.)
ie caught up a lot. they're really fast and secure now. all those security holes are plugged (as of present anyway). they have active x filtering, smartscreen filter and a very secure protected mode to take on chromes sandbox.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by biggerabalone:
ie caught up a lot. they're really fast and secure now.
To understand the difference between IE - especially for operating systems such as Vista and XP - and Opera, look at the summary at the bottom of
http://caniuse.com/#agents=desktop&statuses=rec
It shows that IE8 and 9 support far less web standards than Opera. I've seen web designers curse because of the time they lose making web sites compatible to IE. -
A Former User last edited by
Look at the PeaceKeeper and HTML5 Results for IE11 and Firefox, even compared to Opera 11.64 they are poor. Of course, benchmark tests are only part of what makes a browser fast (in use), which is why I am still with Opera 11.64.
Opera 19.0.1326.47 scored 3969 and 6/7
Opera 11.64 build 1403 scored 3194 and 5/7
Internet Explorer 11 scored 2392 and 5/7
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biggerabalone last edited by
Originally posted by labourer:
Originally posted by biggerabalone:
ie caught up a lot. they're really fast and secure now.
To understand the difference between IE - especially for operating systems such as Vista and XP - and Opera, look at the summary at the bottom of
http://caniuse.com/#agents=desktop&statuses=rec
It shows that IE8 and 9 support far less web standards than Opera. I've seen web designers curse because of the time they lose making web sites compatible to IE.ie 8 and 9 are old news and old tech. its like saying ie 11 supports more web standards than opera presto. truth is, ie is a dominate browser, 1 in 4 use it. and it only lost so much ground in recent years because of the unpatched security holes in 8 and 9 (which gave tons of bad publicity). their usage will likely increase again with 11 (unless new holes surface and are unpatched). its hard to not have so many users when it comes installed on windows.
and in terms of security, here's a good read:
"Internet Explorer 10 not only blocks over 99% of malware, but also has fewer software vulnerabilities than other browsers on Windows."
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staiger last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
Another useless thread. There is no attempt to ask for help in this thread. It should be closed (along with several others today). You guys make me laugh with your little grandstanding, soapbox bye-bye routine. You want to go bye-bye? Then go. Why announce it? Surely you can't think that anyone from Opera will read a thread like this one. Just go.
You're as bad. Every time anyone complains about Opera you come out with the same, tired old speech.
I wish you'd give it a rest because, like the people you respond to, your contribution adds nothing useful at all.
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staiger last edited by
Originally posted by biggerabalone:
...truth is, ie is a dominate browser, 1 in 4 use it.......
and in terms of security, here's a good read.......People love sticking to their old prejudices. Truth is, IE11 is amongst the very best in terms of security, speed, stability and standards compliance. It is no longer the laughing stock of the browser world.
HOWEVER - it has one major failing which renders it a show-stopper for me: it has almost no customisability at all. Damn shame, really.
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biggerabalone last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Look at the PeaceKeeper and HTML5 Results for IE11 and Firefox, even compared to Opera 11.64 they are poor. Of course, benchmark tests are only part of what makes a browser fast (in use), which is why I am still with Opera 11.64.
Opera 19.0.1326.47 scored 3969 and 6/7
Opera 11.64 build 1403 scored 3194 and 5/7
Internet Explorer 11 scored 2392 and 5/7
Firefox 26.0 scored 2419 and 7/7lol, i just tried it on my opera 12.16 ... ouch. maybe because its the linux version on an archaic thinkpad.
pcmag wrote this (about a year ago):
In a more real-world test of browser page-loading speed, though IE10 has been found to outstrip Chrome, Firefox, and the rest. New Relic, a Web monitoring service that measures the performance of 40 billion page views per month, found in its Real User Monitoring data that the average response time for IE10 was significantly faster than all other browsers, the only one returning a time under 4 seconds.
i looked up the results: http://blog.newrelic.com/2012/11/06/browser-wars-a-new-installment-of-our-ongoing-series-on-browser-speed/#
who know? half the speed test on the internet are funded by google. another page (toms hardware or something) found firefox to be the fastest, with opera next at second. depends what the criteria of the tests i suppose. but ie 11 is competitive and the test by new relic gives a lot of statistical evidence.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by biggerabalone:
ie 8 and 9 are old news and old tech.
Yes, but IE8 is the most recent IE version available for XP users, and IE9 is the most recent IE version available for Vista users.
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missingno last edited by
XP is end of life in April 2014 and Vista has a market share like good old Opera which is the latest version of Opera for Linux users. So what?
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A Former User last edited by
Don't forget Microsoft still has not joined W3C...Pretend I've never been here. -
Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Don't forget Microsoft still has not joined W3C...
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A Former User last edited by
@Krake Oops. Sorry, I wasn't aware of that.
@biggerabalone I wouldn't trust NSS Labs.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by Krake:
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Don't forget Microsoft still has not joined W3C...
And that's not a recent thing. :right: (random find from 1997)
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by missingno:
XP is end of life in April 2014 and Vista has a market share like good old Opera which is the latest version of Opera for Linux users. So what?
I beg to differ. On the desktop platform - which accounts for 72% of all page views - Vista's usage share is 4.0 %, whereas Presto-based Opera's usage share is 0.73 %. Source: http://statcounter.com Jan. 2014.
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al-khwarizmi last edited by
Originally posted by Staiger:
HOWEVER - it has one major failing which renders it a show-stopper for me: it has almost no customisability at all. Damn shame, really.
Well, at least it does have a classic menu bar that you can enable temporarily or permanently if you want, unlike Chrome and the new Opera.
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