Unable to access a particular site since Yesterday ...
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Deleted User last edited by
On restart I always send the error report, but as usual it only ever says "there is no detailed information about this crash".
Dave, the answer has to be that the devs are simply totally involved on working on the new browser. In all probability, there is not only no development of the Presto version but no maintenance of it as well. Reports of crashes are in all likelihood ignored at this juncture. That's a guess, mind you, but I would expect that is now the case.
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A Former User last edited by
Almost certainly true sadly, but I don't actually remember crash reports ever saying anything other than that when Opera 12 WAS the current version!
Anyway, it's just my sad "whistling in the wind" way of trying to remind the guys at Opera that there ARE people actually still using Opera 12.
I still always send the crash reports from Windows XP to Microsoft as well, for the same reason!
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A Former User last edited by
Microsoft still sends me security updates time to time.
I alwayss choose "manual" to see what's in the parcel*:)* -
rseiler last edited by
Is anyone who's experiencing crashing attributable to this settings change (i.e. change it back, no crashes) not running Win81? So far, everyone who's mentioned it is, but the sampling is small so far so it doesn't mean much yet.
Maybe we can figure out a way to actually have SSL3 disabled and have stability too. I should note that due to another issue with 12.x and some https sites, I have OCSP verification disabled. I did that a week or two ago though, and so that alone is not causing the instability. However, it's another variable in this worth mentioning.
BTW, those interested should check out the blog post comments at the link I posted above. Håvard has commented on the issue.
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Deleted User last edited by
@rseiler: is "this" what you were referring to:
"Finally, Opera 12 on desktop is taking the lead with disabling SSLv3 support! Since we are not able to apply the countermeasure to all of the remaining Opera 12 installations (and it also does not support TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV), we have remotely turned off SSLv3. This will be automatically distributed to all Opera 12 desktop installations in the next few days. We’re allowing ourselves to be a bit experimental with this, so users who have not yet upgraded to Opera 25 may see more of the broken servers, and we will get some experience in turning off SSLv3..."? -
blackbird71 last edited bySimply 'turning off' SSL3 shouldn't crash the browser. It might affect how or if a site responds to Opera, but it shouldn't have direct impact to Opera (the program itself). I've manipulated the Presto manual SSL/TLS settings on and off for years and never seen any adverse effects beyond some site suddenly appearing to act up (usually it appears as a notice of being unable to complete the connection). So whatever is going on would seem to be beyond just a simple flipping of the SSL3 setting... that is, there has to be more to it than just that setting alone, with regard to the crashes.
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rseiler last edited by
It is more than disabling SSL3 though: it's also enabling TLS11 and TLS12, so a total of three changes are being pushed out (though that's the way you're running without incident). I've been meaning to test just disabling SSL3 (i.e. TLS1 is the only thing enabled), but I'm not in a period right now where I can crash out again. I'll try it soon though. Unfortunately, this is not the sort of thing you can easily test in that when it happens seems completely random. I have not id'd particular sites that trigger it, so replicating it on demand isn't possible yet.
BTW, do you also have OCSP disabled? And what OS do you have?
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blackbird71 last edited by
(Duplicate post - deleted by BB. I continue to get duplicates occasionally instead of "edited" ones upon submission in this forum)
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blackbird71 last edited by
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BTW, do you also have OCSP disabled? And what OS do you have?I'm running Win7Pro-64 most of the time; occasionally I run XP. No, I've not disabled OCSP on any of my Opera installations.
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A Former User last edited by
I re-enabled SSL3 as a test, and didn't have any crashes for several hours.
The browser has just crashed again however, and I checked and SSL3 was still enabled, along with the others which I didn't change.
I've now disabled everything except TLS1, so I'll see how that goes.
I'm on 32bit XP BTW.
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andrey-vi last edited by
"Thanks" for "updating" Opera 12.x…
First crash for me dating back to October 16 and browser is not usable from that day because of infinite crashes.
Opera 12.17 x64, Windows 8.1 x64.
Does anyone know how to fix this?
If this is impossible I have to switch to Firefox after 10 years with Opera. Opera based on Chromium is not usable for me.
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unstandable last edited by
I am using 12.17 on Windows 8.1 and had been having the same crashing problem recently. I was able to stop the crashing by typing "opera:config" into the address bar, searching for "SSL" and checking "Enable SSL v3", then searching for "TLS" and unchecking "Enable TLS v1.1" and "Enable TLS v1.2".
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rseiler last edited by
Opera employee Håvard said (in the above blog post, comments section) that "If you manually change the tls settings through opera:config, the Opera 12.17 update system will leave them alone," so that should be one way to stop it. I haven't tested that way.
Blocking autoupdate.opera.com in hosts or firewall also prevents updating.
Original configuration (no problem):
SSL 3: ON
TLS 1: ON
TLS 1.1: OFF
TLS 1.2: OFFAutomatically changed configuration (crashes for some):
SSL 3: OFF
TLS 1: ON
TLS 1.1: ON
TLS 1.2: ONWorking alternative here:
SSL 3: OFF
TLS 1: ON
TLS 1.1: OFF
TLS 1.2: OFFEnabling of the higher TLS's (one or both) seems to be the issue.
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A Former User last edited by
I would agree, I've been working all day with just TLS 1 checked, and had no crashes at all.
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A Former User last edited by admin
An off-topic aside, but I've been having problems, as have others, using the latest Java versions with 12.17.
https://forums.opera.com/topic/5889/java-not-working-after-new-java-install-8-25
I happened to notice when I was checking its settings that Java 7 Update 67 (the last one that seems to work with 12.17) has SSL 3.0 enabled in its default security settings, and TLS 1.0 enabled and TLS 1.1 and 1.2 disabled.
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highstream last edited by
Looking good so far. Wish I'd heard about this earlier, as I've tried lots of uninstalls and sys restores the past few days trying to find the culprit. Thanks,
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rseiler last edited by
I've tried the other TLS combinations now, and at least here, if SSL3 is disabled then the only TLS you can use with stability is TLS1.
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A Former User last edited by
I've been using it today with SSL 3 disabled, and TLS 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 all enabled, and haven't had any crashes so far (touch wood!)
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A Former User last edited by
Spoke too soon, just crashed!
;_;
Now switched TLS 1.1 and 1.2 off again.
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kanstisama last edited by
You guys rock! Thanks for all this info. I thought I loose all my hair because of not being able to log to some sites and this random crashing!!! Argh!!!... Really annoying week!!! I will also stay on TLS 1.0 for now.
