Where is the menu bar?
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blackbird71 last edited byOriginally posted by StevenCee:
Originally posted by Pesala:
... Opera Presto: Menu bar off by default, enable from Button menu, shown with Alt key
...Uh, what & where is the "button menu"? And there is no option for a Menu Bar in any of my dropdown menus, nor is there any menu bar "on the left".
In Opera Presto, look for the red button with the half-"O"-logo and the text word "Opera". Click that and you should get a pop-up menu, one entry (near the bottom) being "Show Menu Bar"; click that and the Menu Bar appears while the red Opera button auto-magically disappears. Then, in the Menu Bar, if you click on "File", you will get a pop-up of options; unchecking the "Show Menu Bar" entry near the bottom of the pop-up will instantly remove the Menu Bar and cause the red Opera button to reappear. So you can toggle the Menu bar on and off using these techniques (though I personally use a custom button that I always keep on a toolbar to let me do the toggling... there are times when I want a Menu Bar and times when I don't, depending on what else I'm doing).
On my Opera installations, the red Opera button appears at the left end of my Tabs bar... but I've so customized all my versions over the years that I can't be sure that's where the default location normally exists in a completely 'fresh' installation.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
On my Opera installations, the red Opera button appears at the left end of my Tabs bar... but I've so customized all my versions over the years that I can't be sure that's where the default location normally exists in a completely 'fresh' installation.
The Opera button refuses to be customized. It always hangs out in the top left, regardless what you want. Combined with the lack of an option for a regular titlebar, it's one of the very worst bugs in Opera 10.50+. You can enable the menubar (which should be wholly separate from titlebar or not) and disable the tabbar, but if you disable both you just get an empty bar with the stupid Opera button. If you try to disable it, it'll pop right back up.
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stevenjcee last edited byOriginally posted by blackbird71:
In Opera Presto, look for the red button with the half-"O"-logo and the text word "Opera". Click that and you should get a pop-up menu, one entry (near the bottom) being "Show Menu Bar"; click that and the Menu Bar appears while the red Opera button auto-magically disappears. Then, in the Menu Bar, if you click on "File", you will get a pop-up of options; unchecking the "Show Menu Bar" entry near the bottom of the pop-up will instantly remove the Menu Bar and cause the red Opera button to reappear. So you can toggle the Menu bar on and off using these techniques (though I personally use a custom button that I always keep on a toolbar to let me do the toggling... there are times when I want a Menu Bar and times when I don't, depending on what else I'm doing).
On my Opera installations, the red Opera button appears at the left end of my Tabs bar... but I've so customized all my versions over the years that I can't be sure that's where the default location normally exists in a completely 'fresh' installation.
Blackbird, thanks for your comment, but in my Opera (ver.18), there is nothing resembling what anyone has written here. The only "big O" is the one at the very top toolbar, and it's not an O but just Opera, and it's dropdown menu says nothing about a menu bar....
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blackbird71 last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by blackbird71:
On my Opera installations, the red Opera button appears at the left end of my Tabs bar... but I've so customized all my versions over the years that I can't be sure that's where the default location normally exists in a completely 'fresh' installation.
The Opera button refuses to be customized. It always hangs out in the top left, regardless what you want. ...
Hmm. That may be true in some sense, but in both my Opera 11.52 and 12.14u setups (which I'm looking at even as I type this), the tab bar appears at the bottom of the Opera screen (which is where I want it to be), and the red Opera button is indeed at its far left... as it has for a very long time. However, in 11.52, the button simply contains the half-"O"-logo and lacks the "Opera" text that appears in the 12.14 version.
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blackbird71 last edited by
Originally posted by StevenCee:
Originally posted by blackbird71:
In Opera Presto, look for the red button with the half-"O"-logo and the text word "Opera". ...
Blackbird, thanks for your comment, but in my Opera (ver.18), there is nothing resembling what anyone has written here. The only "big O" is the one at the very top toolbar, and it's not an O but just Opera, and it's dropdown menu says nothing about a menu bar....
That's why I used the term "Opera Presto" - that term corresponds to the "old" Opera versions at or below 12.16. Opera versions 15 and above are Blink Opera versions (built around the Blink rendering engine). In any case, I was initially responding to your question about the "button Menu", which term only appeared in Pesala's list of browser behavior with regard to Opera Presto... so I was assuming you were trying to get a Presto version to show the Menu Bar as well. As Frenzie has noted above, Blink Opera versions (including 18) don't include a menu bar, at least not yet.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
Hmm. That may be true in some sense, but in both my Opera 11.52 and 12.14u setups (which I'm looking at even as I type this), the tab bar appears at the bottom of the Opera screen (which is where I want it to be), and the red Opera button is indeed at its far left... as it has for a very long time. However, in 11.52, the button simply contains the half-"O"-logo and lacks the "Opera" text that appears in the 12.14 version.
Well, this is what it looks like for me. It's true in each and every sense.
Put the tabs on bottom and it creates its own empty "tab bar". Disable the tab bar and it does the exact same thing. This button is almost as annoying as the broken addressbar, but keeping the tabs both enabled and on top isn't nearly as annoying as hard-coded text colors that become unreadable if you want to use the "wrong" background color. The addressbar is the worst bug in Opera 11+. The Opera button is the second-worst.
Originally posted by blackbird71:
However, in 11.52, the button simply contains the half-"O"-logo and lacks the "Opera" text that appears in the 12.14 version.
It's a half-O button for me in regular use. I don't know when, how, or why it decides to flip around between one display mode and another.
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frenzie last edited by
Oh, I see. If I enable "show close buttons on each tab", the O/Opera button follows the tab bar around. But close buttons on each tab are just a recipe for disaster if you click in the wrong area. I guess I'd be okay with not showing the MDI buttons as a workaround, which I think was separate option in 11.64. In any case, this turns out to be specifically an Opera 12 regression, although the button itself has been quite annoying since 10.50. They simply managed to make it even worse.
PS If you disable the tab bar, the O/Opera button creates an empty "tab bar" either way.
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stevenjcee last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
hat's why I used the term "Opera Presto" - that term corresponds to the "old" Opera versions at or below 12.16. Opera versions 15 and above are Blink Opera versions (built around the Blink rendering engine). In any case, I was initially responding to your question about the "button Menu", which term only appeared in Pesala's list of browser behavior with regard to Opera Presto... so I was assuming you were trying to get a Presto version to show the Menu Bar as well. As Frenzie has noted above, Blink Opera versions (including 18) don't include a menu bar, at least not yet.
No, Pesala's list included the Blink version of Opera, not just Presto:
"Opera Presto: Menu bar off by default, enable from Button menu, shown with Alt key
IE11: Menu bar off by default, show with Alt key
Chrome: No menu bar; no Alt key shortcut either, click a button to show the menu
Opera Blink: No menu bar; show with the Alt key or click a button."And there is no menu bar showing with the Alt key, nor is there a button to click, to which he's not replied yet.
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blackbird71 last edited by
Originally posted by StevenCee:
Originally posted by blackbird71:
That's why I used the term "Opera Presto" - that term corresponds to the "old" Opera versions at or below 12.16. Opera versions 15 and above are Blink Opera versions (built around the Blink rendering engine). In any case, I was initially responding to your question about the "button Menu", which term only appeared in Pesala's list of browser behavior with regard to Opera Presto... so I was assuming you were trying to get a Presto version to show the Menu Bar as well. As Frenzie has noted above, Blink Opera versions (including 18) don't include a menu bar, at least not yet.
No, Pesala's list included the Blink version of Opera, not just Presto:
"Opera Presto: Menu bar off by default, enable from Button menu, shown with Alt key
IE11: Menu bar off by default, show with Alt key
Chrome: No menu bar; no Alt key shortcut either, click a button to show the menu
Opera Blink: No menu bar; show with the Alt key or click a button."And there is no menu bar showing with the Alt key, nor is there a button to click, to which he's not replied yet.
Indeed... but the terminology you used in your question in your post I originally replied to ("Button menu") is only specifically included as such in Pesala's entry for Opera Presto. That's what led me to believe you were asking about the Presto version. Obviously we had a failure to communicate... so no harm done, hopefully.
I'll let others respond to your questions about Opera Blink... I avoid using it as much as possible in its current state.
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data87 last edited by
this discussion seems to have veered.
simple question: where is the menu bar on opera19. i have an annoying extra click with an O button in the upper left corner, and then robs me of width when i see it. i use my windows taskbar vertically so i can read what it says (instead of scrunched truncations if horizontal), therefore, for me, width is at a premium whilst my vertical is the entire available - hence that is where i have room to spare.
why do i need to justify a request, anyway? i just want to know if i need to uninstall opera and use anything but chrome, or, as in opera12, is there some tucked away secret place for switching to the menu bar.
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