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Where did all my bookmarks go in Opera 16?

  • Originally posted by ersi:

    Originally posted by pieterdh:

    The way "Weitere Tools" > "Lesezeichen importieren" doesn't works may be beacause this is a new computer.

    Nope. It's because of the innovative way Chropera is developed. That item doesn't work for pretty much anyone. And they call it stable.

    OMG Ersi, does this make two operating systems you don't use that you are sharing your little gems in? Not enough sycophants left complaining with you in the main board left?

  • Stay on topic and give a better answer, if you have it. Do you have it?

    Thought so..

  • Originally posted by StevenCee:

    And how do we bookmark new pages we come across? This is so crazy, & yeah, no toolbars, no way to change the font or font size, so everything is tiny, tiny, tiny, how is this an "upgrade"?

    It's an upgrade in the sense it's a more stable, more compatible and faster browser. No more hiccups of the whole interface, etc...

    Why do you keep repeating questions I've already answered above?
    You can bookmark pages in the new Opera, you bookmark them to the Speed Dial, simple as that. However listen! Don't reply mad at me because that's not the end of the road. In Opera 17 there's the experimental Quick Access Bar which can be enabled in opera:flags then in the settings after restarting. This is the initial classic bookmarks implementation and it'll be ready for Opera 18 release with 99% of certainty. Other options to get bookmarks right now is installing an extension (even Xmarks Sync from the Chrome Extensions Store works in Opera, because the bookmarks back-end is already there).
    Font size settings - you'll also find them in Opera 18.

    They have rewritten the basic browser interface with some flagship Opera features and released to people who can live with it so they could upgrade from Opera 12.x (it has become a very sub-par browser when the matter is the rendering of webpages and keeping itself lag-free), and they're adding important features back progressively.

    Originally posted by ersi:

    Stay on topic and give a better answer, if you have it. Do you have it?

    Neither you do. All you do here is to troll. Move on ersi, if the new Opera displease you there are a lot of folks that can fulfill you necessity to have your rants heard in Mozilla or Google's forums.

  • Originally posted by rafaelluik:

    Originally posted by ersi:

    Stay on topic and give a better answer, if you have it. Do you have it?

    Neither you do. All you do here is to troll. Move on ersi, if the new Opera displease you there are a lot of folks that can fulfill you necessity to have your rants heard in Mozilla or Google's forums.

    I happen to be an Opera user, Opera fan even, so my place is here. I haven't seen the new version (apart from Mobile v.14), so it cannot really displease me. What displeases me is Chrome. And also, the way you talk about v.12 also displeases me, because I have none of the issues with it that you describe. Why are you so wrong in all your assumptions? Are you doing it deliberately?

  • The topics about incompatibilities (regardless of who's to blame), slowness and crashes on 12.1x can't be all illusions my brain created.

  • Originally posted by ersi:

    Stay on topic and give a better answer, if you have it. Do you have it?

    Thought so..

    Actually unlike you yes I in fact do.

    I am finally getting around to sorting out 8+ years worth of accumulated bookmarks, the majority of which are in FF of course, but an ever increasing number scattered between a number of devices, OS's and browsers. In attempting to tackle the problem I've decided to use this opportunity to refresh my bookmarks, a large chunk of which likely contains bookmarks for site no longer live or articles no long available.

    While having a decent bookmarks manager is a definite plus, it doesn't even begin to tackle the above problem. Xmarks used to offer a decent online bookmark option but that has definitely gone downhill and nothing in the way of a bookmark specific cloud-based solution has really stepped up to the same calibre. There are many browser-specific options but that isn't all that helpful... this may even go some way to defining why Opera browser stats showed such low usage of in-built bookmarks, as they just don't solve the problem for many who use multiple browsers and multiple devices.

    I've currently whittled the solution down to two possible candidates, Pocket and Springpad, and thus far Springpad is looking to be the keeper. It seems to offer the greatest flexibility in terms of bookmark organisation (as well as storing off-line content), good use of tags, using albums as opposed to traditional folders. It also seems the best in support for all browsers... those for which there isn't an extension (have installed the Chrome extension for Opera) these is a bookmarklet option provided.

    As I said before, with that many bookmarks I'm refreshing my favourites. I've done a bookmark export from FF to html, which I'm hosting on our server. As I make use of a bookmark I add that to Springpad, thus that way I'm only rebuilding with site links I actually use whilst retaining have that archived export as a back-up.

    Originally posted by ersi:

    I happen to be an Opera user, Opera fan even, so my place is here. I haven't seen the new version (apart from Mobile v.14), so it cannot really displease me. What displeases me is Chrome. And also, the way you talk about v.12 also displeases me, because I have none of the issues with it that you describe. Why are you so wrong in all your assumptions? Are you doing it deliberately?

    I seriously think you must be one of the rare few who saw no issues with Opera Presto... even most die-hards could admit there are rendering issues and site compatibility problems. The fact though that you continue to bemoan the new Opera with zero hands-on experience - and given that it continues to evolve further above the basics that Chrome offers, experience in that junkware does not qualify you to judge the Opera builds - really does make you look like a troll

  • Originally posted by elrice:

    Originally posted by ersi:

    Stay on topic and give a better answer, if you have it. Do you have it?

    Thought so..

    Actually unlike you yes I in fact do.

    I am finally getting around to sorting out 8+ years worth of accumulated bookmarks, the majority of which are in FF of course, but an ever increasing number scattered between a number of devices, OS's and browsers. In attempting to tackle the problem I've decided to use this opportunity to refresh my bookmarks, a large chunk of which likely contains bookmarks for site no longer live or articles no long available.

    While having a decent bookmarks manager is a definite plus, it doesn't even begin to tackle the above problem. Xmarks used to offer a decent online bookmark option but that has definitely gone downhill and nothing in the way of a bookmark specific cloud-based solution has really stepped up to the same calibre. There are many browser-specific options but that isn't all that helpful... this may even go some way to defining why Opera browser stats showed such low usage of in-built bookmarks, as they just don't solve the problem for many who use multiple browsers and multiple devices.

    I've currently whittled the solution down to two possible candidates, Pocket and Springpad, and thus far Springpad is looking to be the keeper. It seems to offer the greatest flexibility in terms of bookmark organisation (as well as storing off-line content), good use of tags, using albums as opposed to traditional folders. It also seems the best in support for all browsers... those for which there isn't an extension (have installed the Chrome extension for Opera) these is a bookmarklet option provided.

    As I said before, with that many bookmarks I'm refreshing my favourites. I've done a bookmark export from FF to html, which I'm hosting on our server. As I make use of a bookmark I add that to Springpad, thus that way I'm only rebuilding with site links I actually use whilst retaining the archived export as a back-up.

    Originally posted by ersi:

    I happen to be an Opera user, Opera fan even, so my place is here. I haven't seen the new version (apart from Mobile v.14), so it cannot really displease me. What displeases me is Chrome. And also, the way you talk about v.12 also displeases me, because I have none of the issues with it that you describe. Why are you so wrong in all your assumptions? Are you doing it deliberately?

    I seriously think you must be one of the rare few who saw no issues with Opera Presto... even most die-hards could admit there are rendering issues and site compatibility problems. The fact though that you continue to bemoan the new Opera with zero hands-on experience - and given that it continues to evolve further above the basics that Chrome offers, experience in that junkware does not qualify you to judge the Opera builds - really does make you look like a troll

  • I like the speed of Opera -- but I have to ask: Who is the "genius" that got rid of Bookmarks and a bookmarks bar? I agree with the other responders that this "Stash" thing is retarded as well -- for there seems to be no way to get it back! Every decent browser has a bookmarks bar option -- so I find Opera to be impractical until it re-implements a Bookmarks Bar! Wake up -- Opera!

  • Since I downloaded a new update I opened Opera up again, and began browsing, until I needed to see my Bookmarks in order to find something, and realized, oops, no Bookmarks on Opera! So, I'll close it and not use it again until the promised Version 18, and hope the assurances Bookmarks will return is accurate, cause it sure is nothing more than an exercise in EXTREME futility (& frustration) to try and use a browser, in 2013, that has no Bookmarks (or other common features, like setting your desired fonts & sizes, etc, that browsers have had for many, many years).... I still can't believe these versions are released and supposed to be used, without the most common features, it's really insane....

  • Originally posted by StevenCee:

    Since I downloaded a new update I opened Opera up again, and began browsing, until I needed to see my Bookmarks in order to find something, and realized, oops, no Bookmarks on Opera! So, I'll close it and not use it again until the promised Version 18, and hope the assurances Bookmarks will return is accurate, cause it sure is nothing more than an exercise in EXTREME futility (& frustration) to try and use a browser, in 2013, that has no Bookmarks (or other common features, like setting your desired fonts & sizes, etc, that browsers have had for many, many years).... I still can't believe these versions are released and supposed to be used, without the most common features, it's really insane....

    The developers are working on it but since the implementation still have some bugs it's disabled by default.
    This bookmarks bar is the initial implementation of bookmarks that will evolve as they release new versions (e.g. a fully featured bookmarks manager is not there yet, etc):

    1. Open the opera:flags page, enable the Quick Access Bar back-end
    2. Restart the browser
    3. Opera -> Settings -> Interface: tick the box to show the Quick Access Bar
  • Originally posted by rafaelluik:

    The developers are working on it but since the implementation still have some bugs it's disabled by default.
    This bookmarks bar is the initial implementation of bookmarks that will evolve as they release new versions (e.g. a fully featured bookmarks manager is not there yet, etc):

    1. Open the opera:flags page, enable the Quick Access Bar back-end
    2. Restart the browser
    3. Opera -> Settings -> Interface: tick the box to show the Quick Access Bar

    What & where is the Opera:flags page? I've never heard of it, nor do I see it anywhere. And if I did, and enabled the "Quick Access Bar back-end", what would that accomplish, as I have no clue what that is either....

  • Originally posted by StevenCee:

    What & where is the Opera:flags page?

    Type it in the address field.

    Originally posted by StevenCee:

    And if I did, and enabled the "Quick Access Bar back-end", what would that accomplish, as I have no clue what that is either....

    It's a bookmarks toolbar. In Chropera, you use your bookmarks either as speeddial or as "Quick Access Bar" (bookmarks toolbar). There's no normal bookmarks manager, such as sidepanel or bookmarks window.

  • I typed it in, and when I hit Enter it changed the address to: opera://flags%20page and I got a blank page saying:

    This webpage is not available

    The webpage at opera://flags%20page/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.

    So now what? And why am I reading that Opera 18 is available, and Opera 19 is almost ready, but when I click on About Opera, it says I have the most updated version?

  • opera:flags
  • Originally posted by daniel:

    Bookmarks will return in a future update. In the meantime we have Stash and Speed Dial.

    In the meantime we're stuck with Opera 12 or we have already chosen another browser and waved Opera bye-bye.

    I am not sure what's on the Opera's board of directors mind regarding their web browser product. Is it seen rather as cost than as anything producing an income? How does Operas strategy as a company look like?

    As a loyal Opera user for years it is hard to avoid getting the impression, that switching to a standard web browser platform and accepting a major cut in previously available functionality for months to come, means Opera does not care about th future of its web browser much more.
    I'd be surprised if web stats wouldn't show a significant decrease of Opera users compared with other browsers over the last months.

    Having said that, an overhaul of Opera 12 would also be needed - e.g, Flickr browsing is even with a rather new Macbook getting very slow with Opera 12 - compared to e.g. Safari and Firefox. Plus safety becomes a concern now too since last update was 7 months ago.

    Update: Looking at Operas Third Quarter report (http://www.operasoftware.com/content/download/4581/153916/version/2/file/3Q13_Presentation.pdf) the indication is clear: Desktop is loosing ground (revenue "growth" - 25% YTY) whereas mobile grew by 110% YTY and produces already now more revenue than the desktop side. So in short: The platform move is mainly a cost-take out. Development focus is elsewhere.
    Time to look for a replacement browser, as sad as it is...

  • Yeah, that doesn't sound good for the desktop version..... and I still have a hard time getting my mind around just dropping bookmarks from the browser... It's like a new car without headlights.

    I did the flags thing, and this is at the top of the page:

    "Careful, these experiments may bite
    BEWARE! These flags control experimental or unstable features. They may not work, or may cause your browser to crash. You may lose data, or your privacy or security might be weakened. Features may come, go or stop working at any time. Be careful - here be dragons!

    Wonderful, but I think I'll wait until or if Opera ever reinstitute's bookmarks back into the browser, some workaround is not worth screwing with my whole computer... Come on guys, this is hardly the way to win new users....

  • Opera for Windows ... doesn't have bookmarks either! All I have is this blasted "sync" so that I can access the bookmarks from Opera Mobile.

    This even more idiotic than the recent Google Maps "upgrade." What were the developers thinking?

  • Okay, so I've adapted to Speed Dial & Stash -- which I find to be nice features. So the Bookmark issue has evaporated for me. This issue remains for me: HOW DOES ONE DO TABBED BROWSING IN OPERA?

  • Ok, I now have Opera 18, which I was told was going to see the return of BOOKMARKS.... Great, now I see the dropdown window for "Bookmark Importer", but don't see anything else pertaining to them, no bookmarks bar, no sign of where all the bookmarks I had previously in Opera, might be. Only this:
    "Import bookmarks as Speed Dial items." ... which I don't exactly call "bookmarks returning".

    So what's the deal, were we being misinformed, are Bookmarks going to return, or will that be just more waiting for Godot?

  • Originally posted by StevenCee:

    So what's the deal, were we being misinformed, are Bookmarks going to return, or will that be just more waiting for Godot?

    The short answer: It's waiting for Godot.

    The long answer:
    Some say bookmarks never disappeared. They were always available as speed dials.

    Others say bookmarks are back now as QAB (bookmarks bar). Two catches here (or three, depends on how you count):

    You have to activate this highly advanced and strictly experimental QAB first in opera://flags and then in the settings too. After this invocation of QAB you will get the same speed dial items in the QAB format. There is no other bookmarks manager than drag-and-drop on the QAB and some fiddling in the speed dials.

    This is bookmarks in Opera 18.