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What still bugs me in opera (on linux and in general)...

  • And what it has to do with what I said?

    Opera 58 is based on Chromium 71, Opera 59 would be based on 72 and 60 is based on 73, that's what I said.

  • I guess that because of Reborn 3 there was a delay in Opera releases and that's why they are so behind in what regards to Chromium versions.

  • The schedule example? It has nothing to do with what you said.
    I was just pointing out that today's opera stable is not based on today's (or even the previous) version of chromium but on an even older one. You said that there is one stable version of opera for each stable version of chromium and I proved you wrong.

    And you are probably right about the delay due to reborn 3, but try explaining that to a simple user like the ones that started the 3 threads yesterday. All with a different subject/issue yet all pointing to the same problem.
    For most of us, regular functionality is more important than a redesign.

  • You didn't prove anything. What I said was that each version of Opera is based on a version of Chromium and that's correct.

  • Since my other thread about csd was locked without any notification or explanation, even with a pm, I add the bad csd as another annoyance.

    - Ugly csd that can not be removed
    https://forums.opera.com/topic/28146/opera-55-getting-rid-of-that-ugly-csd/

    p.s. If there is any mod that knows the reason it was locked, please pm me.

  • Lets add one more.

    - Removal of opera and opera-next from the deb repo
    They both are on v12.16, the last one using presto as the rendering engine, and they must have been there since 2014 or so.
    Today, they are not even installable, due to the prehistoric dependencies they want

    $ sudo apt-get install opera
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
    requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
    distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
    or been moved out of Incoming.
    The following information may help to resolve the situation:
    
    The following packages have unmet dependencies:
     opera : Depends: libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>= 0.10.16) but it is not installable
             Depends: libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.15) but it is not installable
             Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good but it is not installable
    E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
    
    $ sudo apt-get install opera-next 
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
    requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
    distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
    or been moved out of Incoming.
    The following information may help to resolve the situation:
    
    The following packages have unmet dependencies:
     opera-next : Depends: libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>= 0.10.16) but it is not installable
                  Depends: libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.15) but it is not installable
                  Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good but it is not installable
    E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
    

    So please remove them 🙂

    Luckily, the yum (rpm) side of the repo contains only the latest packages.

  • There is a chromium based browser that I refused to use because it was based on electron, or actually a fork of it. When I discovered that it is no longer based on it, I installed it so as to check how it compares to opera, especially on the issues I mention on this thread.
    So, after a month of usage, here it goes.

    Codecs
    It is built so as to the system's ffmpeg libraries, so its h264 (and other html5 codec) support is on par with the other browsers on the system.
    In fact, I wanted to confirm it that much, that I asked the devs themselves on the project's page on github and they provided all the info.
    I learned that the build flag
    USE_SYSTEM_FFMPEG=true or false
    that I had mentioned months ago no longer exists and now the same thing is done via 2 build flags
    proprietary_codecs = true
    and
    ffmpeg_branding = "Chrome"
    I checked them on chromium's build options on debian and arch and they are the same.

    Search engines
    Although there is no way to select the search engine when you right click on some highlighted text, because it defaults to google (or the one you select as default in options), you can delete the search engines you do not use.

    Keeping up with chromium releases
    I have to admit that its devs are doing a great work on that. There is a new release every time a new chromium release comes out from upstream.
    Not even the chromium maintainers from my distro are that fast!
    And for that reason, their releases are not tied to ubuntu's releases

    Csd
    Although the browser does come with its own csd, it can be disabled through its options menu.

    These are my findings so far. There are also some other, less important (to me at least), e.g. the compatibility with extensions from the chrome store.
    I won't be leaving opera anytime soon, but I think that if the devs of a lesser known browser can do all that, I am sure that the opera ones can too.

  • Asking for a friend: what is the name of the browser?

  • Let me add one more.

    - Removal of the 32bit packages of chromium-based opera.
    Since opera has dropped support for 32bit 2+years ago, please remove the 32bit packages from both the deb and the rpm repo.
    Assuming that someone is advanced enough to first install opera's repo and then the browser from it, he can install opera's 32 bit version because the packages are still there! And this leads to more issues, like the one described here
    https://forums.opera.com/topic/30291/www-lloydsbank-com-crashes-opera/

  • What bugs me about Opera in Linux, in particular, is the strict adherence to a theme engine that does not support ricing the browser using the native GTK+ and DE themes. Honestly, I've never been fond of the sudden, massive push as of a few years ago to adopt a 'Metro/Material' design aesthetic on desktop or laptop Operating Systems. I want my desktop to look unified, clear, and distinct to use agnostic of any operating system, and I find the best way to do so is to use applications that adopt OS-agnostic theme engines.

    I've had this problem on Windows for years now, and I'm aiming to properly switch to Linux completely. And Opera looks, well, honestly very janky with flat windows and icons when compared to my desktop applications on Ubuntu MATE. I don't see how people tolerate it, honestly.

  • Horrible pixelated icon in alt+tab menu of KDE Plasma desktop environment.
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