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New opera is not up to par.

  • Fine, then 1 more hover and still more moving of the mouse since you always have to start at the same point instead of directly at the menu you want so the extra distance from the O menu to every other menu inside is something you don't have to do with a menu bar.

    I don't know why you say it's only for obscure tools, for one, bookmarks were much faster there, sessions, changing the encoding for webpage that screwed it up(happens quite a bit with many asian languages), saving webpages for offline use(not an everyday option, but still useful once in a while), accessing the settings when you don't know/remember/can't use the keyboard shortcuts.

    Even if you'd only use it once or twice a year, it would still be faster, there's no arguing that so there's always a point for having it. The downside is that it takes more space(not true with the new opera when the window isn't fully maximized though, it waste all the space of a menu bar anyway even when there's enough space not to) so you have to choose which is more important for you.

  • Yes, it's faster not to have to go and click on the menu to open it. I agree with you! I'm just saying I'd personally prefer not to take up the browser real estate with the menu bar, and I have been able to learn most of the shortcuts to avoid using the menu as much. If Opera can easily provide an option (to show the menu or not) and not slow anything down, then I'd be all for it. Now they may ultimately do just that, but perhaps -- and this is mere speculation on my part -- they have higher priorities of things to get done right now. Any option or addition to the browser that doesn't slow it down is fine with me, though being perhaps selfish, if they're going to spend time and expense on options or additions, I'd prefer the options or additions that would benefit me. 🙂

  • It's incredibly easy to create a standard menu(unless it's gone from the standard libraries, but that would surprise me), wouldn't slow things down one bit since it just loads one or the other at startup and it ends there and it would be nice to have the choice, but like you said, it's very likely not a priority(assuming they're even going to consider this which I doubt a lot since developpers seem to care very little about desktop users, it's all touchscreens nowadays).

    There's also many things I would prefer first, but I just wanted to say that there is a point to it, contrary to what rafaelluik said.

    And I hadn't read your reply before writing mine, I'd only seen rafaelluiks.

  • I'm still having the crash issue... Opera crashes once I hit ctrl-w after resizing. It appears to be a completely random crash. It's been happening for 2 days now (after I upgraded opera). Here is the crash info as shown by Windows:

    Problem signature:
    Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
    Application Name: opera.exe
    Application Version: 21.0.1432.67
    Application Timestamp: 536ce815
    Fault Module Name: opera.exe
    Fault Module Version: 21.0.1432.67
    Fault Module Timestamp: 536ce815
    Exception Code: c0000005
    Exception Offset: 0042418b
    OS Version: 6.3.9600.2.0.0.256.48
    Locale ID: 1033
    Additional Information 1: 5861
    Additional Information 2: 5861822e1919d7c014bbb064c64908b2
    Additional Information 3: d1d9
    Additional Information 4: d1d94a13d3609d6b740644c12508f581

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    Please help!

  • Menu bar was removed.
    And? There's no point on having one.

    Will you guys please stop lecturing users on what they should want/need? You don't find a menu bar useful, that's fine. But many of us do (as shown by the fact that this complaint has arisen lots of times). Dismissing other users' requests as irrelevant is disrespectful to say the least.

  • HI OP i have written a post along the lines of what you are saying, Opera has been a mess the last good version was 12.16 it was simply THE BEST and could not get any better.

    Now it they have destroyed what was unique to the internetting world. I cant use any of it to my advantage. So now i use Firefox and Maxthon.

    https://forums.opera.com/topic/3041/has-opera-destroyed-their-own-brilliant-creation/1

  • I think Opera 21 is the best. It's a lot faster. It accesses sites better. It can make use of a much greater range of extensions. It has a world class speed dial with folders. Still, there are different views on this. And people are comfortable, often with what they are used to. And I do respect that some people have different needs.

  • Here is the crash info as shown by Windows
    @billypilgrim1 you're better off filing a bug report here, even if we were experts we don't have access to Opera's source code. They'd need the dump file from that crash to analyze the problem, etc.
    Is that happening only with Opera on your system (can you use other browsers and memory intensive programs normally)?

    I don't know why you say it's only for obscure tools, for one, bookmarks were much faster there, sessions, changing the encoding for webpage that screwed it up(happens quite a bit with many asian languages), saving webpages for offline use(not an everyday option, but still useful once in a while), accessing the settings when you don't know/remember/can't use the keyboard shortcuts.
    @samkook Hmm I see it better now... Still, a button to access the bookmarks in the toolbar could solve that. Encoding menu: measuring how fast you can deal with stuff that shouldn't be broken in the first place via a menu is weird, I'd rather have the issue fixed.
    I use the "Recently closed" all the time from the menu and it's not slow, I don't think it takes considerably more time than reaching the button that used to be at the top right on everyday use. In the same way, saving a page shouldn't be too much a hassle because of 1 additional hover (and available keyboard shortcut).

    I don't think there are enough menu items to cascade and justify the creation of a menu bar right now...

  • HI OP i have written a post along the lines of what you are saying, Opera has been a mess the last good version was 12.16 it was simply THE BEST and could not get any better.
    Now it they have destroyed what was unique to the internetting world. I cant use any of it to my advantage. So now i use Firefox and Maxthon.
    https://forums.opera.com/topic/3041/has-opera-destroyed-their-own-brilliant-creation/1

    I remember 12.16. The Windows 7 Opera was the best. Thanks!

  • The new build crashes about 25% of the time when I use the ctrl-w key sequence (close tab).
    Same for me, crashes from time to time, more often with a lot of opened tabs.
    Opera 21/22
    Also I had a trouble updating Opera from 21 to 22, and I had to do it manually ("About" page still shows a message "Error while checking updates")

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