New opera is not up to par.

  • I've been using Opera for years, but it's recently become so bad that I actually bothered to complain about it.
    Here's why:

    • Menu bar was removed.
    • Only one tab can now be recovered from the garbage.
    • The new build crashes about 25% of the time when I use the ctrl-w key sequence (close tab).
    • ctrl-enter no longer works. Instead it reveals info of the logon username.
    • The thing that annoyed me the most was the removal of the "links" window. This gave Opera a huge edge over other browsers.
    • The config page was reduced to complete uselessness.
      -> I cannot manage my physical cache.
      -> I cannot manage physical memory usage.
      -> What happened with all of the interface customization?
    • Why were bookmarks removed..?
    • The download page logs all of my downloads. Why not add an option to clear it on restart?
    • The "elements" and download speed fields were removed from the address bar.

    What happened with Opera? It used to be a unique, useful, customizable and powerful browser. Now it feels like I'm using a Smartphone App on my PC! I understand that you want to obfuscate details, but at least make them available to those who need them. Removing features is nonsense!

  • You've shot a blunderbuss of assertions, and I have no intention to track down and respond to every damned pellet in your "far off target" post. It's a post that is repetitive with numerous posts already out there, and SHOULD BE CLOSED.

    A few things, though. Bookmarks haven't been removed. Bookmarks are a huge feature of Opera 21.

    Just click on your menu, and go to recently closed tabs and you'll see that you can recover many closed tabs.

    When I go control w, the new build never crashes for me. I'm using Windows 7. I have no idea what your Operating system is.

    There are very good extensions that perform the role of Download manager in the Chrome and Opera store. Just do a little research. As for customization in general, the new Opera is designed for customization via extensions.

    Here's a link to a thread today with a lot of back and forth, but worth looking at about the old and the new Opera.
    https://forums.opera.com/topic/3023/is-opera-dead-for-good/1

  • I'm using latest Windows 8, with the new Opera update. I've sent a bunch of crash reports already. You expect me to track your build versions? I'm a user, for gods sake. You're the developer.

    A few things, though. Bookmarks haven't been removed. Bookmarks are a huge feature of Opera 21.

    Great, I haven't been able to find it. Considering you guys are moving toward usability, why is it impossible to find the bookmarks..? (And yes, I updated it today. It was today's update that also led to 4-5 different instances of the ctrl-w crash).

    I don't want extensions. Why would you remove core functionality that has been around for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

    Also why the aggressive attitude..? Is it not your job to do look over what the user is suggesting? Not even worth considering, right?

  • By the way. Here is the ctrl-w Crash as of today:
    http://i.imgur.com/h99fA0l.png

    Version: 21.0.1432.67 - Opera is up to date
    Update stream: Stable
    System: Windows 8.1 64-bit (WoW64)

    Here's the crash info. I couldn't grab the details this time. If it happens again, I will update.

  • The tab does not close. Immediately after I hit ctrl-w, the program becomes unresponsive.

  • I'm not the developer. I'm like you a user. If you researched the forum, you would see a lot of discussion about bookmarks. The aggressiveness, you complain about, is the pain of having to respind to the exact same question over and over again, by people who don't bother doing any research, and make a lot of statements that are baseless. There are more bookmarking possibilities in Opera 21 than any other browser on the planet. You can bookmark in the Speed Dial, and make folders of items for each speed dial position. You can bookmark in Stash. You can activate your Personal Bookmarks Toolbar by going into Settings (Alt P), and finding the place to put a check in Show the Bookmarks bar. You can get Bookmarks Manager extensions that are very good, like Neater Bookmarks in the Chrome Store, or Chrookmarks for Chrome.

    Now, billypilgrim 1, what I said in thread that I provided you the link to was that Opera 21 is significantly faster than the old Opera. It can access sites that the old Opera never could. It's an entirely different concept now. I don't need or want all of the features that you do. Nor do I believe the vast majority of users would want the features Inwant, or you want. We're all individuals with our own needs. Why overload the basic browser with everyone's wishlist, slow it down, and make it clunky. If there's a need for something, let it be met via good developer extensions. And of course, I do mean good ones. I would prefer a simpler cleaner faster basic browser (not loaded with the your wishlist, or the wishlist of others), and then add, only what I personally need or want via extension.

    If what you need isn't in the basic browser, ask for the developers to add extensions to meet the need. Opera Presto is becoming and will become increasingly incompatible with websites. So the way to go is with Opera 21 (the latest stable version) which is a fast, minimalist browser, open to a wide range of extensions, and capable of giving a better rendering of sites than Opera Presto.

  • The tab does not close. Immediately after I hit ctrl-w, the program becomes unresponsive.

    Not sure why. I have Windows 7. I see you are using Opera 21. I don't think what you are complaining about is a typical complaint for Windows 8 , but I'm not one, so others can comment if they choose. Maybe there's a bug, or something about your Opera install.

    To return to bookmarks for a minute (and I'm assuming first of all that you will activate the Bookmarks toolbar as I suggested), I recommend the little bookmark extension from the Opera store called, Add Bookmark.
    https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/add-bookmark/?display=en It's probably something that should have been part of the basic browser. It gives you a little star on the right of the address bar. You click on that if you want to bookmark a page, and it even lets you select the folder you want to put the bookmark in. (Earlier versions had it also available in the right click context menu, but that's gone for the moment, will supposedly come back as an update option).

    There are other way to add bookmarks (control D, or dragging with the mouse from the left icon in the address bar or the link-thumbnail in the Speed Dial to the Personal Bookmarks toolbar), but I think the little bookmark extension is one of the best, and quite easy to use. Of course you can also make bookmarks by saving to Stash. And the Speed Dial is wonderful. You can save links to it (which show as thumbnails of the site). You can create a folder of a speed dial position position, by dragging one thumbnail over another, until the folder is created. You can name the folder. You can add new thumbnails to it. So you can have a lot of material in the Speed Dial -- much more than with the tradition Speed Dial, which lacked the ability to create folders. You can can drag thumbnails-links from the Speed Dial to the Personal Bookmarks toolbar, or drag links from the Personal Bookmarks toolbar to the Speed Dial.

  • It's a post that is repetitive with numerous posts already out there, and SHOULD BE CLOSED.
    At the same time the user mentions uncommon things... So let's calm down...

    Menu bar was removed.
    And? There's no point on having one.

    Why were bookmarks removed..?
    Please search... You can start here:
    http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/07/the-vision-behind-opera-15-and-beyond/
    http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/07/ctrl-z-of-ctrl-d/

    If the forum search doesn't give good results, use your favorite search engine to search the forums like this "some keywords site:forums.opera.com" to search for specific things/questions you mention.

    The "elements" and download speed fields were removed from the address bar.
    In the Android forum area but relevant: https://forums.opera.com/topic/2160/loading-pogress-bar
    I could look up a way to display the loading speed or other things later... I don't have a lot of time now, sorry.

  • Menu bar was removed.
    And? There's no point on having one.
    Except that it's one less click and less movement of the mouse to access everything than it currently is with the O menu, that would be the point.

  • Menu bar was removed.
    And? There's no point on having one.
    Except that it's one less click and less movement of the mouse to access everything than it currently is with the O menu, that would be the point.
    Nope, there are no additional mouse clicks, a menu bar would require 1 click to open the menu prior to access to any item anyway. There is only 1 additional hover at most and that's only for the obscure more tools menu whose only option you'd touch more than once in your lifetime is "Clear private data" that can be also accessed via Ctrl+Shift+Del.

  • Menu bar was removed.
    And? There's no point on having one.
    Except that it's one less click and less movement of the mouse to access everything than it currently is with the O menu, that would be the point.

    Most of the menu items can be accessed by keyboard shortcuts. Yes, for a while, there's one click more. But pretty soon, one can make use of the keyboard shortcuts. I would argue that the exchange is fair value. If I had the option to show the menu or conceal it, I'd conceal it for the space, though there's one click more, and it would motivate me to learn the shortcut. And pretty soon, I'd have the saved space, and with the keyboard shortcut, for most items, I wouldn't need to click to get to the menu. At that point, the saved space would become a plus, outbalancing the occasions when I'd have to click to go to the Menu.

  • Fine, then 1 more hover and still more moving of the mouse since you always have to start at the same point instead of directly at the menu you want so the extra distance from the O menu to every other menu inside is something you don't have to do with a menu bar.

    I don't know why you say it's only for obscure tools, for one, bookmarks were much faster there, sessions, changing the encoding for webpage that screwed it up(happens quite a bit with many asian languages), saving webpages for offline use(not an everyday option, but still useful once in a while), accessing the settings when you don't know/remember/can't use the keyboard shortcuts.

    Even if you'd only use it once or twice a year, it would still be faster, there's no arguing that so there's always a point for having it. The downside is that it takes more space(not true with the new opera when the window isn't fully maximized though, it waste all the space of a menu bar anyway even when there's enough space not to) so you have to choose which is more important for you.

  • Yes, it's faster not to have to go and click on the menu to open it. I agree with you! I'm just saying I'd personally prefer not to take up the browser real estate with the menu bar, and I have been able to learn most of the shortcuts to avoid using the menu as much. If Opera can easily provide an option (to show the menu or not) and not slow anything down, then I'd be all for it. Now they may ultimately do just that, but perhaps -- and this is mere speculation on my part -- they have higher priorities of things to get done right now. Any option or addition to the browser that doesn't slow it down is fine with me, though being perhaps selfish, if they're going to spend time and expense on options or additions, I'd prefer the options or additions that would benefit me. 🙂

  • It's incredibly easy to create a standard menu(unless it's gone from the standard libraries, but that would surprise me), wouldn't slow things down one bit since it just loads one or the other at startup and it ends there and it would be nice to have the choice, but like you said, it's very likely not a priority(assuming they're even going to consider this which I doubt a lot since developpers seem to care very little about desktop users, it's all touchscreens nowadays).

    There's also many things I would prefer first, but I just wanted to say that there is a point to it, contrary to what rafaelluik said.

    And I hadn't read your reply before writing mine, I'd only seen rafaelluiks.

  • I'm still having the crash issue... Opera crashes once I hit ctrl-w after resizing. It appears to be a completely random crash. It's been happening for 2 days now (after I upgraded opera). Here is the crash info as shown by Windows:

    Problem signature:
    Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
    Application Name: opera.exe
    Application Version: 21.0.1432.67
    Application Timestamp: 536ce815
    Fault Module Name: opera.exe
    Fault Module Version: 21.0.1432.67
    Fault Module Timestamp: 536ce815
    Exception Code: c0000005
    Exception Offset: 0042418b
    OS Version: 6.3.9600.2.0.0.256.48
    Locale ID: 1033
    Additional Information 1: 5861
    Additional Information 2: 5861822e1919d7c014bbb064c64908b2
    Additional Information 3: d1d9
    Additional Information 4: d1d94a13d3609d6b740644c12508f581

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  • Menu bar was removed.
    And? There's no point on having one.

    Will you guys please stop lecturing users on what they should want/need? You don't find a menu bar useful, that's fine. But many of us do (as shown by the fact that this complaint has arisen lots of times). Dismissing other users' requests as irrelevant is disrespectful to say the least.

  • HI OP i have written a post along the lines of what you are saying, Opera has been a mess the last good version was 12.16 it was simply THE BEST and could not get any better.

    Now it they have destroyed what was unique to the internetting world. I cant use any of it to my advantage. So now i use Firefox and Maxthon.

    https://forums.opera.com/topic/3041/has-opera-destroyed-their-own-brilliant-creation/1

  • I think Opera 21 is the best. It's a lot faster. It accesses sites better. It can make use of a much greater range of extensions. It has a world class speed dial with folders. Still, there are different views on this. And people are comfortable, often with what they are used to. And I do respect that some people have different needs.

  • Here is the crash info as shown by Windows
    @billypilgrim1 you're better off filing a bug report here, even if we were experts we don't have access to Opera's source code. They'd need the dump file from that crash to analyze the problem, etc.
    Is that happening only with Opera on your system (can you use other browsers and memory intensive programs normally)?

    I don't know why you say it's only for obscure tools, for one, bookmarks were much faster there, sessions, changing the encoding for webpage that screwed it up(happens quite a bit with many asian languages), saving webpages for offline use(not an everyday option, but still useful once in a while), accessing the settings when you don't know/remember/can't use the keyboard shortcuts.
    @samkook Hmm I see it better now... Still, a button to access the bookmarks in the toolbar could solve that. Encoding menu: measuring how fast you can deal with stuff that shouldn't be broken in the first place via a menu is weird, I'd rather have the issue fixed.
    I use the "Recently closed" all the time from the menu and it's not slow, I don't think it takes considerably more time than reaching the button that used to be at the top right on everyday use. In the same way, saving a page shouldn't be too much a hassle because of 1 additional hover (and available keyboard shortcut).

    I don't think there are enough menu items to cascade and justify the creation of a menu bar right now...

  • HI OP i have written a post along the lines of what you are saying, Opera has been a mess the last good version was 12.16 it was simply THE BEST and could not get any better.
    Now it they have destroyed what was unique to the internetting world. I cant use any of it to my advantage. So now i use Firefox and Maxthon.
    https://forums.opera.com/topic/3041/has-opera-destroyed-their-own-brilliant-creation/1

    I remember 12.16. The Windows 7 Opera was the best. Thanks!

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