Opera 15 for Linux?

  • Opera 15 looks *really* interesting. Any word on a timeline until the Linux version will be available?

    I've been looking for a chrome replacement since Google's been going kind of big brother lately. I've also been looking to move away from webmail lately and haven't been really satisfied with the current Linux mail clients.

  • When it's ready.

    Maybe version 16, 17 or 18. Who knows ?, but it won't be 15, as has already been said.

  • The big issue for Linux is the usually the UI. UIs in Windows and OSX are pretty simple as there's only one desktop while Linux and *BSD has dozens. Yes, I'd like to see even a preview of the Linux version, knowing full well the final won't be ready in time, but they don't want to be distracted from the work on the versions that can be ready by discussions of one that can't (I suppose).

  • I voted "no", even though I use FreeBSD instead of Linux. As it is now (serious lack of features) I won't use it under Windows either. That will be the first time in over 13 years that I don't start using a certain version right away after its release.

    Originally posted by sgunhouse:

    UIs in Windows and OSX are pretty simple as there's only one desktop while Linux and *BSD has dozens.

    It's not the desktop environment, but the widget toolkit that matters (and there are just a few big players here). I doubt it represents such a big technical difficulty. There's already Webkit-GTK and Chromium actually depends on that so it's very likely Opera will be based on "Blink-GTK".
    This is not new. In 12.15 you can choose between different toolkits: GTK, Qt or a native (much cleaner and lighter on resources) Xlib-based one. And in the past, Opera was Qt-based only.

    It's just that Linux and Unix are tiny desktop markets compared to Windows and MacOS. Any company will prioritize, especially when it has relatively limited resources at its disposal.

  • It's not even a matter of the widget toolkit.... I mean they could just use eg.: Qt or WxWidgets wrappers and then it works everywhere. Do the work once, serve many. Though I have to say with the improvements they did in the native X11 one it felt really nice. And that one works pretty much everywhere graphical (unless distros start moving to Waylant or whatever it is called). Have been using it since a couple of months ago and I haven't gonee back to "advanced" toolkits.

  • The KDE dialogs get problematic when they are trying to show a directory with thousands of files, I switched to X11 when my Downloads directory got too large.

  • Originally posted by kallisti5:

    Opera 15 looks *really* interesting. Any word on a timeline until the Linux version will be available?

    I've been looking for a chrome replacement since Google's been going kind of big brother lately. I've also been looking to move away from webmail lately and haven't been really satisfied with the current Linux mail clients.

    If you're looking for a chrome replacement, this is not it, since Opera 15 is chrome (practically).

    Personally, I will stay with Opera 12 as long as possible, and then switch to Chromium probably.

  • I cannot vote because I never used it, so as I wait until a Linux version be released, the only thing I can do is read comments about it, comments from people that doesn't seems to enjoy the changes, although.

    I understand that it is a hard work to change the engine of a Browser, but the big problem is not that Opera is cleaner than ever, the problem is that no one knows what will comeback and what won't. If we had a list of features that will be available in the next versions, together with another list of what "is dead", we could already take a decision today. But not even the people at Opera Software must know the future of the browser, so I don't think we can expect something like that these days. For now, our only option is wait, and hope for the best. 😟

  • There have been lists posted - apparently some people scour all the blog posts and tweets and whatnot for any clues. Of course we all know they have no real interest in Bookmarks, except via an extension. Likewise without Bookmarks, Mail and Notes, they have no interest in panels. And I'd say one of my favorite features - MDI - is also dead unless there's enough demand to bring it back. Dragonfly will return - sometime - as will sync. Beyond that ... I'd have to search in Beta testing for the link to that wiki people are assembling.

  • I love Opera and use it throughout all my devices. It is a great piece of engineering and artwork! I can't wait to have the latest version on my linux laptop!

  • Originally posted by sgunhouse:

    There have been lists posted - apparently some people scour all the blog posts and tweets and whatnot for any clues. Of course we all know they have no real interest in Bookmarks, except via an extension. Likewise without Bookmarks, Mail and Notes, they have no interest in panels. And I'd say one of my favorite features - MDI - is also dead unless there's enough demand to bring it back. Dragonfly will return - sometime - as will sync. Beyond that ... I'd have to search in Beta testing for the link to that wiki people are assembling.

    Thanks sgunhouse, your information seems to be correctly, but I still think Opera should be more specific about their plans for the future, and a official list would help a lot. I will search more about this list you mentioned.

  • Originally posted by beastie1:

    I voted "no", even though I use FreeBSD instead of Linux. As it is now (serious lack of features) I won't use it under Windows either. That will be the first time in over 13 years that I don't start using a certain version right away after its release.

    So do I and voted therefore NO.
    I stick on 12.x until someone shoot me. I need a workhorse for doing actual work. And not a closed source Chrome clone without bookmarks, designed for tablet losers.

  • You must not have a tablet ... Opera 15 for Windows and OSX is not designed for tablets. Several of its features would not work very well on a touchscreen. And they tell us that Opera 16 will have bookmarks.

  • If it remains a Chrome clone, then my answer is no. I had tried Chromium once, uninstalled pretty soon. That <bleep> will never touch my computer again.

  • Not officially released, but Opera Next 16 is already available for download. No Linux version there.

    It's going to be a long wait... 😟

  • I should say yes. I vote for the change, as I believe it could be a new start, especially for the innovation. Opera is known for that. But if we always immerse in old features, there will be less space for creativity, or I would like to say "locked" by those. I admit that these magnificent features are the reasons that I use opera for more than 10 years. But some of them were developped in "Stone Age". Although they also seem perfect at this time, we need more. They need a new space, a new start. More care for old features means much heavier chains. The most important thing is the spirit. If they don't lose it, I believe they will create a new era.

  • I voted no.
    Well if this is the direction that opera is going, then I will say it goodbye. I have used opera since it came out for the first time and used it ever since.I just liked it for it possibilities like to hold the right mouse knob and click the left one to go back one page. I also used it for placing the tab bar at the bottom. Those things doesn't work anymore. I hope opera 15 or 16 will never come to Linux. I tried it in windows but I don't like it!!! If I wanted Chromium I will use Chromium and not Chromium with just the name of Opera above it. It's not what most users of Opera want. Yes there were some issues that didn't work in opera, well then I always can use another browser. It is to bad that just those things that made a browser useful will disappear.
    Too bad that the opera team has decide to go to this direction. I will probably say opera farewell. I am very disappointed in the new Opera.

  • No need to post the same thing twice ...

  • I'm still sticking with Opera 10.6x and -to a lesser exent- Opera 12.11, ever since that last one's release I have yet to see anything that convinces me than an upgrade is worth is, be it Linux-wise or otherwise. There's too much good stuff that is being lost just to appease luserbase, which is not something I stand for when I stand with Opera.

    I do believe though if Opera 16 for Linux comes around and is based off Chromium and it is at least somewhat stable enough, I might use it... as a replacement of Midori for quick, "just once and forget" navigation.

  • I've been using Opera since early versions of 3.5 or something like that. My first impression for Opera 15 was - no, sir, no can do 🙂
    But I tried it.
    Well, it's still not the complete Opera for me as it lacks a lot of customizibility. I installed it on Windows7 and I have to admit it's lightning fast, one can get used to it.
    Of course I miss a lot of extensions but what I can tell comparing to other Chromium based browser SRWare Iron, it consumes a lot less memory.
    Good job Opera team. After all, I think I'll like this new design.

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