Opera comes with Flash pre-installed?

A Former User

Greetings, perknh. Actually, I already did as I reported two posts ago. Unfortunately, I can no longer revert the removal since my Linux Ubuntu just freezed, and I had to boot my laptop...

So indeed, removed they are!

A Former User

Great, jayaguru-shishya, it sounds as if they are both removed and purged. But, for the heck of it, run:

sudo ppa-purge ppa:skunk/ppa

one more time.

Let's read what it says. And, if it's gone, the next thing we want to do is remove and purge Adobe Flash.

To do this I need to know what command you used to install Adobe Flash --but not Pepperflash --that's the good guy! What command did you use to install Adobe Flash?

Was it

sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin

by any chance?

perknh

P.S.

I need to get supper ready, jayaguru-shishya, but we're getting there!

P.P.S.

Unity is famous for being a stick in the mud, but that PPA certainly wasn't doing you any good. Skunk Flash, can you imagine?!!!

A Former User

Sure, take your time! It's soon midnight here in Finland too

I ran the "sudo ppa-purge ppa:skunk/ppa" command line one more time. The feedback remains unaltered:

xxxxxs:~$ sudo ppa-purge ppa:skunk/ppa
[sudo] password for xxxxxs: 
Updating packages lists
PPA to be removed: skunk ppa
Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: skunk ppa
xxxxxs:~$

And yeah, with 95% level of confidence, "sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin" it was. I think it was the first set of instructions I followed, found here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/531672/how-to-install-flash-payer-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts (it says 32-bit system, although I am running a 64-bit one). Cheers!

A Former User

Thank you, jayaguru-shishya.

I'll grab a bite while we do this. But if you need to hit the sack, by all means do so. This can wait until tomorrow. There's no emergency here.

What we'll need to do is reverse the command:

We'll try:

sudo apt-get remove --purge adobe-flashplugin

Let's see if that gets rid of Adobe Flashplugin so that you only have Pepperflash on your system. I'm assuming that you and I both are Chromium/Chrome/Opera enthusiasts --and not so much for Firefox. Our focus, of course, is Pepperflash here.

But, I'm curious if that command will rid you of adobe-flashplugin.

Then I'd update, autoremove, autoclean, and logout or reboot, just to see if we've gotten rid of any conflicting programs which might have been interfering with your Pepperflash installation.

That's the plan, jayaguru-shishya. And, if you need to get some rest, please do so.

perknh

A Former User

First, open dash and search for Software & Updates. Then Check main, universe, restricted and multiverse (if they already aren't). Then, to to the "Other Software" tab, and check "Canonical Partners". Then click close, and reload (in the window that pops up).
When you've done this, open a terminal and run this command:
sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
Then restart Opera.

Yes. adobe-flashplugin package contain NPAPI and PPAPI flash.
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin
The simplest solution is usually the correct one

gustavwiz

gustavwiz

@jayaguru-shishya @perknh Can you please at least try the adobe-flashplugin package?

Software & Updates > "Other Software" > check "Canonical Partners" > Close > Click "reload" in the pop-up window.

Then:

sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin

A Former User

Thank you, adasiko and gustavwiz,

@gustavwiz

I was thinking about this last night. We're working with Chromium-based browsers here and not with Firefox. Are you, by chance, using Firefox. Pepperflash is Chromium-based solution. And, I'm quite certain that flashplugin-installer (flashplayer for Firefox) is the way to go for Firefox.

Source: https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,3351.msg33366.html#msg33366

The problem many people, not only jayaguru-shishya, are having right now with Chromium's pepperflash plugin is a problem which affects Opera for Linux too. The problem has to do with Pepperflash's signature. Also, we're talking about Linux here. Abobe Flash may be working fine for Firefox in Windows --I don't know. I've been away from Windows for a long time now, and I rarely use Firefox because I prefer Opera --followed by Chromium and Chrome.

Below is a long and recent thread about Pepperflash which is followed by a discussion, within the thread, about Firefox. This is informative, and will help anyone using Ubuntu or an Ubuntu-based distribution whose having an issue with Pepperflash right now.

Right now we're trying to clear some Flash issues for jayaguru-shishya. It's a process, and it takes a little time. Our goal is to get his current Pepperflash installation updated to where it should be, without conflicting software. He's almost there now. He doesn't need a Skunk Pepper-Flash PPA, and he doesn't need adobe-flashplugin directly when Google has created a solution using Pepperflash. Doing any of these things again are going to mess him up again with his Chromium and Opera installations in Ubuntu.

If you're really interested in this topic, please read this thread from Peppermint:

https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,3351.0.html

And please read this thread from Debian:

https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer

And please read these posts from our moderator, sgunhouse. I corrected any misspellings that I could see. We're both trying to help this fellow who is new to Linux.

May 3

"I don't run Ubuntu, I can't comment on that stuff. I just know that pepperflash is the one you need. In Opera you can go tp opera:plugins to see which plugins it sees, but in the latest versions even if it sees the NPAPI plugin it won't actually use it. Not certain if that's only the unstable versions or the stable as well."

and from yesterday, May 4:

"All chromium-based browsers support pepperflash, which includes both Opera and Vivaldi - Konqueror (the KDE browser) is not actually chromium-based and so I'm not sure if it uses pepperflash or not. (In principle, khtml is the progenitor of both Safari and Chromium, but I'm not sure how much has been backported to Konqueror.)

And I've approved one of your posts - when a post gets held don't bother trying to repost as that'll be held too; that one I deleted."

sergiy9

sergiy9

Nothing work. Somebody gіve me please step by step tutorial how to make to work flashplayer in opera on debian 8. Thanks.

A Former User

Hi there @perknh! I ran the "sudo apt-get remove --purge adobe-flashplugin" comman in the terminal, and this it what it gives:

xxxxxs:~$ sudo apt-get remove --purge adobe-flashplugin
[sudo] password for xxxxxs: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED: adobe-flash-properties-gtk* adobe-flashplugin*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
After this operation, 38,6 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
(Reading database ... 188010 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing adobe-flash-properties-gtk (1:20160407.1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1) ...
Removing adobe-flashplugin (1:20160407.1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1) ...
Purging configuration files for adobe-flashplugin (1:20160407.1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1) ...
Processing triggers for gnome-menus (3.10.1-0ubuntu2) ...
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.22-1ubuntu1) ...
Processing triggers for bamfdaemon (0.5.1+14.04.20140409-0ubuntu1) ...
Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf-2.index...
Processing triggers for mime-support (3.54ubuntu1.1) ...
Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.13-1) ...
xxxxxs:~$

@adasiko and @gustavwiz, exactly. If you see the Adobe Flash'es website (https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/), they state the following:

NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.

Cheers!

gustavwiz

gustavwiz

@perknh: No, what I'm trying to say is that adobe-flashplugin seems to contain pepperflash (the PPAPI verison of flash). That's why you should try to install it.

Edit: Now I've tested in on another machine, and it worked.

sgunhouse

sgunhouse Moderator Volunteer

What version does it report.

A Former User

Hi jayaguru-shishya. sgunhouse, asked a good question to gustavwiz. But it's a great question for you too. What version of Adobe Flash Player do you now have now in your Chromium browser and Opera browser after you run the command

chrome:plugins

in Chromium's and Opera's omnibox (or search bars)?

This is the version I have in Chromium:

Adobe Flash Player - Version: 21.0.0.216
Shockwave Flash 21.0 r0

And, this is the version what I have in Opera-stable:

Adobe Flash Player
Version: 21.0.0.216
Shockwave Flash 21.0 r0

See, they're the same!

With a little luck, jayaguru-shishya. you're going to have the same versions that I have now --crossed fingers, and knock on wood!

perknh

@gustavwiz

Hi gustavwiz,

All Flash comes from Adobe. Google has an agreement with Adobe and has created its own version of Flash for Chromium-based browsers. Really, Pepperflash IS Adobe Flash that has been modified for Chromium-based browsers --Chrome, Chromium, Opera, Vivaldi, etc. That's why we're using this command for Pepperflash for ourselves, but, you're right, it is all Adobe Flash.

What version do you have, gustavwiz?

perknh

gustavwiz

gustavwiz

In order to test this, I first uninstalled all versions of flash, and chrome and chromium. When I started Opera, there was no flash plugin, as expected.

Then I installed adobe-flashplugin, and on adobe's page I get version 20. On opera://plugins I get version 99.999.999... because of a known bug that doesn't seem to be fixed.

A Former User

Hi gustavwiz,

Wouldn't you prefer to have Version 21 and not have that error message in Opera?

We're trying to show anyone who is running a Debian, or Ubuntu-based distribution, how to fix this --and protect themselves from the risk of using Flash at the same time.

If you have a Debian, or an Ubuntu-based distribution, have you run:

sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree

?

The link below explains why you might want to do so, but only if you're running a Debian, or Ubuntu-based, distribution as jayaguru-shishya and I happen to be doing.

https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer

I think the command would differ a little if you're running a distribution from another branch of Linux, but I'm pretty certain the general principle would be the same.

perknh

A Former User

Horaa! I finally have my flash up-to-date in the Chromium!

Adobe Flash Player - Version: 21.0.0.216
Shockwave Flash 21.0 r0

I just realized that I didn't have Opera installed on my system at the time we were running all these commands (I was so concentrated on one browser at the time, and I thought it automatically apply for Opera as well).

I know have Opera browser together with the FlashBlocker that I installed from the Opera store. "opera://plguins" gives me only "Chrome PDF Viewer" (2 files):

Name: Chrome PDF Viewer
Version:
Location: chrome-extension://mhjfbmdgcfjbbpaeojofohoefgiehjai/
Type: BROWSER PLUGIN

Name: Chrome PDF Viewer
Description: Portable Document Format
Version:	
Location: internal-pdf-viewer
Type: PPAPI (out-of-process)

I am beginning to understand more and more how important it is in Linux to carry out all the procedures in a correct, consistent order.

Anyway, I've always heard many a good thing about the Linux community and how helpful it is. This is my first encounter, and I must say I am impressed! Thanks everyone for your help, especially @perknh !

Ps. now as my Opera browsers displays no flash of any kind, I wonder if it would be a complicated process to get it there as well? Also, is there still need for any further updates, autoremoves, or autocleans with respect to the previous procedures for Chromium?

Cheers! Tomorrow is Friday!

A Former User

Hi jayaguru-shishya,

"I just realized that I didn't have Opera installed on my system at the time we were running all these commands (I was so concentrated on one browser at the time, and I thought it automatically apply for Opera as well)." --jayaguru-shishya

You are right, jayaguru-shishya, it should automatically apply to Opera too. You are correct about this.

"now as my Opera browsers displays no flash of any kind, I wonder if it would be a complicated process to get it there as well? Also, is there still need for any further updates, autoremoves, or autocleans with respect to the previous procedures for Chromium?

Cheers! Tomorrow is Friday! 8-)" --jayaguru-shishya

That's what it's all about, jayaguru-shishya! We've been doing all of this work just to get to Opera! Begin by checking if Opera is installed your Ubuntu Software Center tomorrow. Maybe it's not installed correctly. We can install Opera-stable via the terminal. Until Opera has a verified secure download site like Chrome, Firefox, and Vivaldi do, I really do believe that using the terminal is the safest way to install Opera. If you don't see https in green, and a cute little green padlock beside it, don't download Opera from there --especially when we have a terminal we can use!

Until tomorrow!

perknh

gustavwiz

gustavwiz

@perknh

Wouldn't you prefer to have Version 21 and not have that error message in Opera?

Yes, I would.

So the conclusion is: adobe-flashplugin contains pepper-flash, but an older version (20) with an annoying version number bug (that shows 999.999... on opera://plugins), and pepperflashplugin-nonfree seems to be the best alternative. I suggested adobe-flashplugin because another opera developer suggested it (and another source).

But right now it looks like you're right, pepperflashplugin-nonfree is the way to go!

(The only drawback with that package is that you also have to run sudo update-pepperflashplunin-nonfree --install)

A Former User

Ahh, indeed indeed. I found my way to "UbuntuHandbook: Install Opera 26 Stable in Ubuntu 14.04" (http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/12/install-opera-26-stable-ubuntu-14-04/), and further to "http://deb.opera.com/opera/pool/non-free/o/opera-stable/" (http://deb.opera.com/opera/pool/non-free/o/opera-stable/) where I chose the "opera-stable_37.0.2178.32_amd64.deb" alternative.

I executed the .deb -package through the Ubuntu Software Center, and installed it. A green cute little green padlock...? Oh boy, all the contrary! The Ubuntu Software Center warned me from installing the program unless I am 100% it can be trusted hohoho!

Now, that's very odd. I swear I saw it in the Ubuntu Software Center after I ran the .deb -package (well, perhaps for the very reason that I ran the package through there), but after closing and reopening it, it can be no longer found

Lesson two internalized: always trust the terminal over the Ubuntu Software Center.

Well, thanks for your help again! Until tomorrow!

A Former User

@gustavwiz

"So the conclusion is: adobe-flashplugin contains pepper-flash..." --gustavwiz

No, it's the other way around. Pepperflash is Adobe Flash modified for Chromium-based browsers.

"The only drawback with that package is that you also have to run sudo update-pepperflashplunin-nonfree --install" --gustavwiz

This is why we're doing workarounds right now. There is no signature on the latest version of Google's Pepperflash plugin. We're all making the assumption that one day, probably after the next Chrome, or Chromium, browser release, we'll be able to use the update command you mentioned. (That's what it is --an update command.) This "drawback" should be only temporary. At least that's what we all hope, and assume --knock on wood!

@jayaguru-shishya,

"always trust the terminal over the Ubuntu Software Center." --jayaguru-shishya

No! Both Synaptic Package Manager and Ubuntu Software Center are very safe package managers. They have been gone over and over time and time again with a fine tooth comb. They are much safer download sites than downloading from the Web at large --and one significant reason why Linux is even more secure than Apple! Me personally? I just want to see that same green padlock for downloading Opera as I see when I download Chrome, or Vivaldi, or if I were to download Firefox from the Web to my computer. Until Opera uses the same security protocol as the browsers mentioned above, I'll keep using the command line for my installations of Opera. But, that's me. I would imagine that most users would feel the same way too if they thought about it for a while.

As for the terminal, jayaguru-shishya, the terminal is as good as the commands you enter it. If you enter good and safe commands, you'll get good and safe results. Period! The terminal is as good as the commands you enter it. Just be sure to enter good and safe commands.

Tomorrow I have some projects I need to attend to, but we'll try to get you up and running with Opera if possible --and, hopefully with Flash working too.

Here's a link to look at in the meantime. By the way, the commands are both good and safe. And Opera's staff checked them before they were posted:

https://forums.opera.com/topic/8091/a-way-i-found-to-install-opera-stable-from-the-terminal/9

jayaguru-shishya, this is Opera's forum and we all want to have Opera running correctly on your computer -- and with Flash up and running correctly on your computer too. That's what this forum, and thread, is all about!

Until tomorrow.

perknh

A Former User

So the conclusion is: adobe-flashplugin contains pepper-flash, but an older version (20)

No

Publishing details
Published on 2016-04-07
Changelog
adobe-flashplugin (1:20160407.1-0ubuntu1) xenial; urgency=medium

New upstream releases

NPAPI: 11.2.202.616

PPAPI: 21.0.0.213
-- Chris Coulson chris.coulson@canonical.com Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:04:54 +0100

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin