Opera Mini 7.5.4 for Android

A Former User

Please chill out, read my replies without jumping to equivocated conclusions.

As far as I can see there's no longer a basic quote function.

There is a quote feature! See a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/9RWkMRV.png
You can also type/paste text after a ">" character and it'll apply the quote text styling to it.

I'm surprised to know it is causing such a problem as you just described. Thanx for letting me know it. Opera mini is for phones, no?.. and so I would expect that most ppl send & rcv text via portable device, usually phone.

No, this forum can be visited using any device. For long texts like this one right now for example I prefer to use the computer calmly to read and type.
If I see your post in the Mini forums while using a computer it doesn't mean I must to ignore it.

And I used the asterisk to further accent the separation between your quoted text & my comments. It's just a common asterisk & seems like I should be able to use it in its normally used way. Moreover, you say this issue is due to the use of markdown used in this forum. I don't know what markdown is, nor do I, as a casual user, think I should be expected to know anything about it, nor did I see anywhere

Markdown is like a substitute for BB Code where you use normal characters on it to apply formatting to text.
I posted the link to a page explaining how to use it. In the comment box it's informed also (see pic).
For using the characters reserved for applying formatting you have to use a escape character which is the "\". For example, to type and asterisk which is reserved for italics and bold you must type "\*".

Oh boy... I tied in vain to post the above post, which is there now...but quite awhile ago when I tried to post it as a partial reply to your last comments, it, along w/all the other failures & limitations & malfunctions that number so many I've lost count, resisted a while bunch of tries to post. It just would not post & I finally concluded that must be in line w/your declaration that you were gonna close the discussion. That passed me off for numerous reasons, the biggest one being I don't know who the heck you are...??...what, an opera employee, a moderator, an administrator, a regular forum user....??... and if you are an employee or mod, etc, then I think it should damn well be made clear to whoever you comment to, esp when you talk in the terms you have been & announcing your gonna heavy handedly end a discussion, cutting me off from addressing the things you said

I'm a moderator, but I'm not an Opera employee I'm just a forum member who volunteered to do the task like many others.
I DID NOT close this topic at any point, the problems you had have nothing to do with me.

I'm saying that I want to close this topic, not to censor you or end any discussion, just this topic so the feedback is concentrated in the topic of the latest available version (the preferably way to keep up with it). This one: https://forums.opera.com/topic/3619/opera-mini-7-5-5-for-android
PS. I'm not saying you should restart this discussion there, keep reading below.

Don't give that silly stuff about making bug reports. I used opera mini long b4 I ever even knew it had a forum, yrs ago & discovered it when things started to not work & did just that... I followed the protocol & filed a bug report. I rcvd no answer, no help & no change occurred. That totally turned me off to using that option. Ans I believe I made another report & someone replied, asking me a question and/or asking for some info, which I answered/provided & then again, just left hi & dry, with no further positive progress or idea of what to expect.

This is how a bug tracking system works, either closed from public or open like Mozilla and Chromium's, the devs won't tell you on what they're working on or when you'll see the bug fixed.

If you know what to expect, don't pretend you don't know what to expect.

Plus then I began to really notice the lack of support from employees, to all the complaints & questions, across all the various opera forums & topics & all the ppl who complained about that very crummy way of being treated...as opposed to: "we're sorry for that. Lemme try to help you with your issue. Anything even remotely close to that sort of attitude, is extremely rare from the Opera. That sentiment has been expressed many times by quite a few different users. I've read it am my own eyes. And so, when I saw I wasn't gonna normally get any help from the employees, I did my best to figure out the answers myself & from that point, I did my best to help others on the for the best I could.

How is that different than other browsers' forums?
And bpydzinski even jumped here to reply to some users and talk about some issues a few times... Of course he is not a help consultant and he will not be able to magically recover lost data in your device. And then long texts bashing Opera and with scattered repro steps where you don't even know if the browser or the forum is faulty... I don't think it's his duty to reply to you.

As I advised you, file a bug report with clear steps to make the bug be officially acknowledged and processed. Writing gigantic walls of text here is not better than filing a clear and concise bug report. And know what to expect! Opera Mini saves tons of data, but there's a cost in compatibility with web pages. And consider the context! Re-read my last paragraphs in my previous comment here.
You put too much expectation in Opera Mini when we all know it's a limited product. Your expectations are more in line with the full Opera mobile browser.

You proceed to compare Opera Mini with UC (non-mini version), Next and stock Android browser which are browsers that run pages locally in a full-featured engine without any compression. Comparing apples to oranges.
This is the full-featured Opera version: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.opera.browser

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

"Please chill out, read my replies without jumping to equivocated
conclusions."

(As far as I can see there's no longer a basic quote function.)

Pardon me but I don't need to be told to "chill out" by you...as 1) I don't need to chill out, I'm just fine. 2) I am the one who decides which tack I feel is the most appropriate one to take in my communication, animated as it might be or you might find it, thus it's not you place to tell me how to think or feel (reminds me of some of the intrusive aspects incorporated & KEPT IN PLACE, by opera mini, in full spite of all the vast majority of complaints against, in their layout (such as what they thought & still think is such a "smart" page (which ALSO spent a lot of time broken). 3) it's arrogant & indicative of the way opera has for the most part, treated it's users who have had issues & complaints, for a long time & that is easily validated by simply reading the Opera mini forums on lg scale. (I know, I know... its all our fault...). 4) you are the one, not I, who makes quite a few assumptions & either doesn't carefully read or "reads into" what I've said consequently jumping to conclusions that are wrong. And I pointed that out 1st (and gave examples) but now YOU are saying that, essentially mimicking or mocking me. There's a lot of truth in what I've said & it seems to annoy you. 5) some of your answers answer what you wish to say, rather than directly address my points or what I meant to get across. 6) see #1, as I'm calm & making valid & reasonably well described points.... so, "chill out"?? hahaha, no, YOU maybe need to" chill out"....) and as far as I know, even tho I asked, you see haven't answered to me what is your forum and/or opera position? I have the right to ask you & I think it's incumbent on you to answer.

If I was angry or rude or unfair or unable to comprehend what ls being said, in my judgement, it would look far different here. And if you think I'm so far off base w/my opinions so far, and/or that I don't pay attention to what you've said (you've indicated that), then maybe you shouldn't waste your time on me, after all if I'm so unreasonable, incorrect & in need to chill...

"...jumping to equivocated conclusions.."

If you're going to use concepts like that, you should better learn what it means to say it. You are accusing me of using some king people from funky language to decieve you or the truth. Way off the mark that is. I made a simple, clear, concise statement: {"as far as I can see, there's no longer an edit function"}. It was also a very unassuming statement, being modified by: "as far as I can see". So there clearly is no equivocation used there. If I do so in some cases, you certainly picked a bad example... The fact of the matter, in contrast to your misconception, is that there used to always be an edit button, as there is in most forums & now, esp in light of how dysfunctional & shaky the forum now is, such a simple, straightforward & obvious edit function is needed now more than ever, however since I WAS paying attention to what you said, and took note of your mention of "markdown" (which I had previously never heard of nor knew what it was), hence I did NOT jump to any CONCLUSION & rightfully added that "as far as I could see"...there was no edit function. So it is telling...that you find this need to mischaracterize my language & points made. If I didn't know better....(which I dont), I might easily conclude that you don't want to hear many of these things, which I am only one of many, who says them. I don't complain, for the sake of itself, nor do I normally exaggerate or not be able to substantiate what I speak up about.

(the preceding commentary was brought to you by the: "Peace of my mind Foundation", a non-prophet organization"

(p.s., besides, ppl don't want to have to learn html, markdown, markup, or any coding or special syntax, for them to be able to simply edit a simple mistake made in their post. I have never before had to jump thru hoops in order to edit a mistake.

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

Damn...if it wasn't for this forum and/or the om browser (wasn't that you who somewhere stated that I was somehow in the wrong for failing to know how to differentiate between the 2..?), yet I am having all this trouble using the forum, on my phone, inside of the operamini browser, so how the heck would I or any other casual user now wherein the technical issues reside? Besides, as is now well established for enough time to be valid, they both are very very broken. It took me approx 12-15 attempts to make the last, above post. And that occurs on every single occasion I try to post. It's frustrating & exhaustive. After composing, hitting the "done" button causes the field to go blank & in many cases also causes the placeholder nor anchor to jump to the top of the page, in turn requiring a rolling all the way to the bottom again, just to confirm that the composition box is blank & the same basic thing happens when bypassing the done button & going directly to post, or save draft. And then, a determined effort to make the post, results in the same cycle over & over & over. Only the copy function, if one knows better enuff to use it, saves the poster from losing his work, only tho, to keep depositing the coin in the slot & having it fall down to the return tray, short of the pack of twinkies. That's pretty bad & I am certain I saw numerous other users report the same thing since the inception of this thread as well as elsewhere. Similar reports & complaints are ubiquitous on this forum. Thus, since I have a capable phone, that's unacceptable way for this to function, imho. Ok, now let's see how much it takes to post this one.

** I may as well add here, since I'm already on my 3dd or 4th try to post this one, unsuccessfully, that while I thought my report previously, that it was covering every apparent base, to thwart my posting attempts (clicking the "done" button, the save draft button, the post button, as well as jumping anchor to the top of the page, now I also saw it jump the entire page, several times, back to page 1, and give a total blank page (requiring refresh but doesn't always work), and there was 1 or 2 more malfunctions, but honestly, they are occurring at such a rate that I cannot even keep up w/remembering them all.. Suffice it to say that posting functionality has been as bad as it can be, short of a complete crash, which would prolly help alleviate the phone & my own suffering. I have 4.03 droid, with a dual core, approx 1.5 mhz snapdragon chip, so no excuse of too old & unsupported nor too new & not yet caught up to yet. I would like to finish & cover all the points I'm inclined to do, but it looks like this browser & forum build ain't gonna let it happen unless I have the patience to wait days or weeks at this rate. I think I should be thanked, instead of all this, for my efforts, in as much detail as I know how to describe, and in support of all the other peeps, who report the same basic issues. But what do I get?...a broken browser, having fallen waaay behind how good it used to be, a broken forum functionality, and mostly blame for it somehow is my bad. Lovely...

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

Wow got it posted in about 5 tries that time. I will come back later (after meds & therapy) to cover the rest. Kindly wait til I am able to cover what you said in your post. (cuz I've got plenty to say about it...) (and since I obviously choose to cover it part by part, don't worry about any comments I made so far which may not have reflected what you maybe said after what I referred to so far) (as I did skim over it & see you covered certain things. So hang loose, take a chill pill & don't worry about me and my rants.

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

That worked the 1st time, perfectly that time (for the 1st time ever) ...now I'm scared & sense impending doom. I better back away from the keyboard...

A Former User

you are the one, not I, who makes quite a few assumptions

You supposed I closed the topic, that's what I was replying to. I didn't.

since I have a capable phone, that's unacceptable way for this to function, imho

I know, the point is the model doesn't matter. For a start, you can't understand the intrinsic difference between a browser with an engine running on your phone and one like Opera Mini which has the engine running in a server and sending you pages modified and compressed in another format that doesn't retain much website compatibility... I can't keep this chat if you don't understand the things I said in earlier comments.

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

I don't know what that means, nor why I should know...but I do know that it means it takes away from how an asterisk is normally & commonly used. My opinion is that whatever coding language is used, it should never by nature take away from or eliminate the normal usage of such special characters. I don't know much about it but I think that html manages to present it's functionality w/o taking away those normal uses of those characters. I have used those particular characters for the purposes I noted, for many yrs in texting via all sorts of ways & sites & never had such a problem, which by the way, you had to point out to me what strange effects it has upon my compositions, because I certainly cannot see any evidence of it on my screen, regardless of viewing my posted text, after posted, in several different browsers & even in desktop view. All I see is exactly what I have typed & everything is smaller than I could benefit from if it gave me the choice to be larger (w/the exception that in a few rare occasions I have seen some of my text rendered in bold, while still small).

Therefore, if this forums software indeed does render my normal use of text & characters, in other & apparently dramatic ways (such as you described), and since I have never before come across such a thing, then my feeling is that forum should make it obvious in some way, to casual users, that they need to either beware of it or learn the use of this coding that borrows from normal use of everyday "special characters" (I know - - I know - - he's likely already formulating a rebuttal to tell me how wrong & ignorant I am about these matters & that what I find to be basic sound logic, is me 'jumping to crazy conclusions' again.)

The takeaway is that if a coding language is employed & if it works by borrowing from normal use of commonly used special characters, such as quotation marks, equal signs, asterisks, etc (oh-oh, can I say "etc", or did that just change my fonts to purple?), in their normal usage then it's a bad design. It should only employ the use of those or any other characters, in such a way that they are not normally used, such as what I think html does (although I admit my knowledge about all that is next to zero).

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

Incidentally, you're passing acknowledgement of what seems to be the forum software problem, reported by many, that causes major whiteouts, as I have extensively reported the specific nature of how it has manifested itself to me....is light yrs apart, from what the other folks & myself have reported. Because YOU'RE characterization of the issue... was that ONCE, you saw it produce a blank field, then easily fixed via refresh, however, THAT is a far cry different, than what I (and apparently others) experience, which is why I have taken the time to delineate all (so far) the ways it manifests & how extremely stubborn it is. It certainly is not THAT SIMPLE for me to work around, so how lucky you are to have only once seen it go blank & just require a simple refresh. You know, if I had the capability to make a video that accurately depicted the quantity & quality of the issues, flaws, mistakes, malfunctions & dysfunctions thst actually occur, just trying to normally use the browser & the forum, it would be UNBELIEVABLE, but true, as in Ripley's.

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

... What's really strange & ironic...is that now that I have deeply detailed the ways this blanking out & erasing issue has been (at least for me..) that all of a sudden, beginning last nite when I first mentioned it in my last post or 2, that THAT particular issue, has now all but disappeared & I have been able to post several compositions in a row, w/o any problem. Very strange indeed. So, to all those other folks who reported one degree or another of the same issue, over the preceeding weeks & months, if you still are experiencing same, I advise to fight it, tooth & nail, painstakingly trying it over & over (while the suits sit around laughing) until it says "uncle"... and finally begins to function as it should. (sighs)

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

Nevermind... it just came back on the last post (I knew I shouldn't say it out loud). Oh but wait....now a new lovely & helpful manifest of this world class software has reared it's pretty (ugly) head... I hadn't noticed it before, but now, since the software is not allowing me to post a post, so when I try repeatedly to get it to post, which is the natural thing to do, it throws the "anti spam" error msg, to (hahahah) even further block me from communicating. It is unequivocally the worst software I have ever seen (well, at least ranks up there w/worst I've seen). So NOW... In addition to wasting so much of my time & effort, the software is pounding (as opposed to pouring) salt on the wound by banning me from even trying to post, after it fails to, for 10 ADDITIONAL MINUTES!! Boy, am I jealous of you, with your ability (and apparently good reasons..) to be able to so valiantly & loyally defend & define the goodness, nay greatness, of opera mini Android & forum software. (I know, I know... its likely that I create or bring these problems upon myself, right?)

A Former User

Boy, am I jealous of you, with your ability (and apparently good reasons..) to be able to so valiantly & loyally defend & define the goodness, nay greatness, of opera mini Android & forum software. (I know, I know... its likely that I create or bring these problems upon myself, right?)

I never said or implied that. It's amazing, sometimes you seem to ignore what I write completely and jump to conclusions. ^^

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

"I never said or implied that. It's amazing, sometimes you seem to ignore what I write completely and jump to conclusions."

I have yet to cover ground way back before your last text above...but noticed you added more & have a quick response to this...

It appears to me that it's YOU who either missing what I said or reading something into what I said that wasn't actually there or meant..

I didn't say that you said or implied it. I said it, maybe somewhat sarcastically...I guess because you have found a way to put me & my ideas & opinions in a negative or wrong light, not just some but virtually all of them, from your opening words, which I'll remind you, was somewhat snide right off the bat.

So I did not say you said it, but to say you did not even imply stuff along those lines, simply further degrades your overall assessment of these matters. You clearly demonstrated an attitude towards me from the git. Just read it.. I might add that so far you are pretty much batting 1000, in terms of finding fault w/where thing I've said plus misconstrued or ignored others. I have already demonstrated at least a couple of those elements, but to no avail from you. Sorry, but to be honest w/you, I have a much higher percentage of proving to be right in one way or another, than the zero you've assigned me. I would have to be significantly dumber that I am, in order to be where you essentially have put me. I like the one I just read, where you categorically state (lol) that I don't even understand the intrinsic difference between a server side browser & a cpu handled one. I wonder if you even recognize your own arrogance? I do understand the difference. And later, when I catch up to that part (as only this post is out of order..), I will demonstrate how it is you, who apparently doesn't understand it fully & in two important ways (one of which was explained by opera themselves, in complete difference w/your stated "knowledge" on the matter" (w/respect to devices) ).

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

Ok.. I was distracted for several days but back to finish covering this. B4 I catch up where I left off, I just noticed some typos I should correct... Above, when I was replying, in defense of your accusation of me "equivocating", in regards to comments about an edit function...the typos were:

"...jumping to equivocated conclusions.."

If you're going to use concepts like that, you should better learn what it means to say it. You are accusing me of using some king people from funky language to decieve you or the truth.

(I think it should've said: "You are accusing me of using some kind of....actually, I can't figure out now, what it was supposed to read...all I know is that what I meant to say is...well 1st of all, I can't tell if that comment from you refers to what's above it (about closing the thread) or below it (my complaint of no edit function)... but the attempted point was, that as to closing thread, I did not equivocate...you did say something that sounded like you were now (then) about to close the thread. It could (and was) easily interpreted as such. And in the case of the edit function comment, I simply could see no edit function nor anything said about it. I note that you subsequently try to show me different, to which I will show you how it's not depicted as you say it is, but here I just wanted to try to cleanup up the typos I made & shown that I didn't equivocate at all nor am I or was I guilty of the other part you said...about me supposedly (your wrong assumption) not reading or not fully reading your posts. Actually, I assure you that I read everything, regardless of what or where, very carefully by nature. I may make a mistake or misunderstand something, but more than generally, I comprehend pretty well. You have not demonstrated me not reading what you say, thus it's you jumping to conclusions, and frankly, I think I detect a pattern of that from you.
I'm gonna try to go back & pick up where I left off, because I think it's deserving (but it might take me awhile to), even tho no one else may find it so.

A Former User

zZZzzzZZZZZ

Please don't bother. If you didn't understand my attempt to help you and keep the forum clean until now it's unlikely you'll, ever.

You seem to like other browsers more than Opera, then use them.

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

Hey rude guy... I understood everything you said. The problem is that in most (if not all) cases, your answers were simply wrong, in one way or another. And your suggestion that I have "dirtied" the forum w/my complaints & commentary (where I validate the complaints) is as arrogant as it gets. So you run along & get your "ZzzZzzz's". You're prolly better at that...while I will (at the risk of you censoring (whoops, I meant "cleaning")... that you keep threatening), continue to validate not only all the points I made, but also your off the mark replies.

A Former User

And your suggestion that I have "dirtied" the forum
I didn't mean that. I was referring to "close this topic so everyone discuss on the newest topic for the newest version".

See, jumping to the wrong conclusions. I'm sleepy with this discussion already.

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

"I'm sleepy with this discussion
already."

Likely because you focus on all the wrong things & so your lack of rapport tires you...so liken said, go to sleep then. You also have a transparent habit of saying rude things & then when taken to task, always say that's not what you meant. Give me a break, it's not difficult to ascertain what you meant.

nowurtalkin

nowurtalkin

That is ludicrous at best.. Anyone is free to say whatever they have to say. I have done nothing to stop that from being so. Ridiculous to even suggest my commentary has. Moreover, your original idea that your (ahem) reasoning for saying you were gonna close the thread, being so folks could discuss om in its new updated form is also about ridiculous a think to say, as it gets. 1) this is separated thread from thst. I posted here under this version. Plus I also tried to update & in fact did the update but as I reported, my info says I'm still on the old version, so I'm in the right place. 2) the new version has its own separate forum or thread or whatever you call it. Forum goers, to my knowledge (I have observed it for yrs) have the choice to post in any forum, old or new, as long as they are posting in the correct one. Earlier you suggested I was not doing that...as you tried to make it sound like I had no points or not about what the thread was about. But I posted a counter to that & clearly pointed out how I indeed was on track w/what was on the the thread b4 I posted. I didn't see you correct yourself or apologize or even the common courtesy to acknowledge that I pointed those things out to you, to validate my commentary, in the face of your rude characterization of my comments on the thread.

A Former User

You also have a transparent habit of saying rude things & then when taken to task, always say that's not what you meant. Give me a break, it's not difficult to ascertain what you meant.

Oooooooor, it's a big game of surprise and excitement where it's really not what I meant and you see what you want to see.

A Former User

My friend, do you want Opera employees to keep monitoring leaps of threads of every old version? Threads where users could potentially discuss about bugs that don't affect the latest version, confusing everybody...?
It's obvious that maintaining 1 topic rather than 10 is good for everybody, specially for users, who are more likely to have their comments read.

I'm here trying to help you, trying to help the mods, trying to help the employees, trying to help others users, assisting you on how to file a bug report officially so you don't have to write walls of text here every day, explaining to you the purpose of the app, the limitations of the app (what problem it tries to solve and what it can't solve, the context, etc), trying to get you to conclude in your mind if this is the right app you're looking for or if you should use another...

In my initial post here I wasn't specially rude, nor polite. I just asked questions, then you accused me of being rude.....

Can we end this back and forth conversation in some form please?

Opera Mini is what Opera Software is offering to "solve" the "need X". There are other Opera products for "solving" people's "need Y", "need Z", "need A", etc. There are other browsers that might solve "need X" or "need Y" better, etc. Please analyze the offerings from Opera and its competitors and choose the app that satisfies you.
When/If you choose Opera Mini (or any other product), then learn about its limitations. When you fill a bug about one of its intrinsic limitations and it's never fixed, and you can't live with it, you are not the target for the "solution" being offered. You're creating problem for yourself. You're better of trying another product ("for Android" / Classic / Opera Max), or a product from a different company (UC / Next b / etc) - I won't blame you if you switch, your "needs" are simply different than mine or anyone else's, and either Opera failed to cater you needs or or you have needs that Opera is not interested in solving. Please don't try to solve "problem Y" with a product that is meant to solve "need X". Accept you have choice and get on with life...