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Where are the bookmarks in Opera 18?

  • Originally posted by Scorpiopt:

    well on the dev version that extension is broken due to extension windows being blank

    I found that happened in Chrome from time to time with extensions like Last Pass and so on. It tended to clear up and work again after a couple of days.

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    Actually, if you do a search through Pesala's posts, you'll find a very useful post in which he demonstrated "how" to set up your QAB with folders nested within folders... not dumping bookmarks onto it one by one as you say.

    You must be joking! Yes, somewhere amidst the myriad of his insulting, mocking comments, there are some with "instructions", yet they vary, aren't always correct, don't always address the actual functionality of the questioners, and if there are such simply workarounds, why has he most recently said to AVOID INSTALLING Opera 18, or 19, but go back to 12? WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TAKE AS "HIS ADVICE", much less "USEFUL"???

    This is total BS, people, especially longtime Opera users have honest, & very real complaints and questions, yet are being treated as if we're all trolls! And by wannabe moderators, who are supposedly here to be "helpful", yet primarily INSULT everyone grappling with how a modern day browser could be released so incomplete, & lacking in the most fundamental of uses! If it takes so very long to build a browser from square one, fine, THEN DON'T RELEASE IT AS ANYTHING BUT A BETA VERSION! Don't tell unsuspecting users it's a real browser, an UPDATE! Talk about misusing vocabulary, we all know what a Beta or Experimental, "Developers' Version" is, this is NOT an "Update", and it's insanity to blast users for not being happy with it being represented as such, especially when at the end of the day, the best advice you have is TO BACK TO VERSION 12!

    I know you don't have a clue how idiotic you insulting "fanboys" come across...... read the totality of your posts, and it may become a little clearer. I think I may have accidentally stumbled into the Twilight Zone, or perhaps Bizarro World, where up is down, & in is out...... smdh.

  • Steven,

    As I posted above, if you are interested in a solution then let me know and I'll post the instructions here.

    But you probably just felt like letting off steam...no problem...you go ahead...

  • Originally posted by jmiichell:

    But you probably just felt like letting off steam...no problem...you go ahead...

    That's all he has done seen joining the forum. He's not the least interested in finding solutions, or he would have found it by now, if not from me, then from Blackbird or others.

  • I have been using PCs since almost 30 years now. I install operating systems myself and sort out most of the issues on software and configuration.
    After many years with Chrome I decided to give it a try to new Opera which..UNFORTUNATELY arrived to 18 version.

    1 second after installation the first VERY FIRST THING that any minded IT administrator or NORMAL user would do it to try to MIGRATE all his previous bookmarks. No way.
    I start to read in the forums. Hundreds of page on the issue. I try some of them. Cannot get through. I dedicated about 30 min to understand how to import and VISUALIZE a toolbar with links in Opera but I was unsuccessful. That's it. I cannot spend more than 30 minutes to solve the silliest issue.

    If a person handling systems for 30 years cannot sort out how to set up bookmarks within 30 min I would say it is NOT A PROBLEM OF THE PERSON.

    Bye Bye Opera, switched back to old chap Chrome.

  • Originally posted by jmiichell:

    Steven,As I posted above, if you are interested in a solution then let me know and I'll post the instructions here.But you probably just felt like letting off steam...no problem...you go ahead...

    Look, you say you have a solution, the other mega-posting "experts" say it won't work & to go back to a very early version of Opera, until a more feature-rich, "stable" version is ready for prime time. Pesala says:

    "Yes, for the foreseeable future there is no alternative but to use an old version. Opera 20 developer version is still not even close to being a viable choice yet, let alone Opera 18 final."

    This after many posts where he said he had solutions too.... As the above poster noted, "If a person handling systems for 30 years cannot sort out how to set up bookmarks within 30 min I would say it is NOT A PROBLEM OF THE PERSON." and I tend to agree with him....

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    That's all he has done seen joining the forum. He's not the least interested in finding solutions, or he would have found it by now, if not from me, then from Blackbird or others.

    And Pissala, you don't know wtf you are talking about.... and obviously, you don't even realize how all over the map you are. I would have found a solution by now? Really, genius? Despite you pronouncing there really is none, and we should go back to version 12, until a more stable update is issued, with bookmarks & other features restored?

    If YOU can't find a better solution than that, how are we mere mortals to do better? Do you really have nothing better to do than make nearly 30,000 smarmy, catty, adolescent-level digs at everyone who happens to be justifiably mystified & disappointed at how lame these new versions are & how lousy the communication of the developers to the users is, which only exacerbates the issue?

  • He claims he's handled systems for 30 years and now claims he's incapable of sorting out how to set up bookmarks. All I can conclude is - he's not very bright. I don't mean to be rude or offensive but anyone who's been at computers for that length of time should have been able to figure out the relatively simply means of creating folders on the QAB and then folders within those folders. I've been at it for about half his time, I am NOT an expert in software (although my son is) and I was able to figure this out within a few minutes. Granted, it took some time to create my folders but once up and running everything was fine.

    Now, if you're looking for a full-fledged bookmarks manager, you won't find one .... YET. And if that doesn't suit you then you have two options. Would you like me to spell them out for you? (probably not but)

    1. Stick with a Presto version UNTIL the Blink version does what you require

    OR

    2. Go find another browser and be happy

    But hanging about here whining day after day is not going to do anything for you or for the community. In short: like it or lump it. That's all she wrote, Steven. There are no more viable options.

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    And if that doesn't suit you then you have two options.

    Three. Use a bookmarks manager extension.

  • Originally posted by rafaelluik:

    Three. Use a bookmarks manager extension.

    Four: Use O 12 until the Blink/NewUI problems are sorted out.
    Five: Use a browser that works like you want. The bookmarks manager for Firefox works in a side panel, like the one in Internet Explorer (which became a really good browser in its 11th incarnation - having said that, I now go washing my mouth with soap), I really wonder if we will see a real side panel again in Opera.

  • Originally posted by febonet:

    I start to read in the forums. Hundreds of page on the issue. I try some of them. Cannot get through. I dedicated about 30 min to understand how to import and VISUALIZE a toolbar with links in Opera but I was unsuccessful. That's it. I cannot spend more than 30 minutes to solve the silliest issue.

    It really should be a lot easier, or at least properly documented in the Help file. If not for all these rant threads on the forums, it would be easy to find help here. Unfortunately, the moderators got overwhelmed by the number of rants threads, and stopped deleting them, so it's hard to find useful information amidst all the noise. The ranters don't realise that they're shooting themselves in the foot instead of politely asking for help.

    I consider myself expert in using software, but I also need help sometimes to work things out. No one should be called stupid for not being able to figure this out for themselves within 30 minutes, though they rightly deserve to be called stupid if they rant like the OP instead of just asking for help from others, when they fail to work it out.

    First, you have to enable the Quick Access bar by typing "opera:flags" in the URL field, then you have to restart Opera and enable the Quick Access bar in Settings.

    Then, if you installed Opera 18 and if Opera 12 or earlier was previously installed not using the USB installation option, you should find that the Bookmarks Importer is enabled, and you should find your Bookmarks Bar bookmarks on your Quick Access Bar. Then you can use the Bookmarks Importer to “import” your already imported bookmarks to either the Speed Dial or the Quick Access Bar.

    If you used the USB installation option, you have to use a command line to import your settings from Opera Presto to Opera Blink:

    "<Full Path to Opera 18>\launcher.exe" --presto-small-prefs-dir="<Full path to old Opera>\profile"
    

    Having done this, the Quick Access Bar is perfectly usable in Opera 18, and the only serious downside is that it wastes a few vertical pixels. I use the Bookmarks Bar now in Opera 11.64 in preference to the Panels, but I have a button to show/hide it easily.

    Many other issues in Opera 18 make it unusable for me, but the lack of a bookmarks menu, panel, or manager is not one of them.

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    I don't mean to be rude or offensive but anyone who's been at computers for that length of time should have been able to figure out the relatively simply means of creating folders on the QAB and then folders within those folders. I've been at it for about half his time, I am NOT an expert in software (although my son is) and I was able to figure this out within a few minutes. Granted, it took some time to create my folders but once up and running everything was fine.

    "Granted, it took some time" even though it's "relatively simple." That's AppleSpeak: "it's incredibly intuitive (once you figure out how to do it)."

    Originally posted by leushino:

    Now, if you're looking for a full-fledged bookmarks manager, you won't find one .... YET. And if that doesn't suit you then you have two options. Would you like me to spell them out for you? (probably not but)

    1. Stick with a Presto version UNTIL the Blink version does what you require

    OR

    2. Go find another browser and be happy

    Actually, I found the bookmark extension very adequate. Since you don't define "full-fledged," it's not clear your expectations are.

    Let me translate for others, like me, who aren't fanboys: "Presto" means v12, and "Blink" means v18. (Do I have that right?) I have moved on to Chrome, and as a gesture of my happiness, will cease whining about this crap app, and reading the aggressive and defensive posts of the unhappy people who feel they have to defend it.

    Opera sucks. Why not admit it?

  • Originally posted by priehl:

    ... Let me translate for others, like me, who aren't fanboys: "Presto" means v12, and "Blink" means v18. (Do I have that right?)...

    More or less. But, technically, Presto means all Opera versions 7.0 to 12.xx, inclusive; Blink means Opera versions 15 and above. Versions 13 and 14 were essentially skipped in terms of desktop Opera. The terms Presto and Blink refer to the browser's "rendering engine" (engine=codebase) that converts or "renders" website HTML code into intelligible data that can be thrown up on a screen. Browsers may also contain other kinds of engines (JavaScript, user-interface, etc), but the main distinctive terminology for browsers is the rendering engine foundation upon which they're built... hence Blink Opera or Presto Opera or Webkit Chrome or Trident IE.

  • Originally posted by priehl:

    "Granted, it took some time" even though it's "relatively simple." That's AppleSpeak: "it's incredibly intuitive (once you figure out how to do it)."
    I have moved on to Chrome, and as a gesture of my happiness, will cease whining about this crap app, and reading the aggressive and defensive posts of the unhappy people who feel they have to defend it.

    Opera sucks. Why not admit it?

    A couple of things. First off, I was exasperated and had no right to suggest you were not very bright. Please forgive that lapse of civility on my part; it's inexcusable. Secondly, you have to appreciate that rants (some downright nasty) have been going on here for months now on a daily basis and sometimes rather nasty emails from some disgruntled members actually making threats. It's easy to become impatient when one sees the same things repeated day after day, week after week, month after month, particularly when many of these issues have long since been resolved and given the fact that Opera is not going to change its direction. No one was forced to adopt the new browser. Opera continues to offer security fixes for the Presto version and users can remain with v.11 or 12 for however long they like. In addition, if Opera simply doesn't work for you anymore and you're happy with Firefox or Chrome then more power to you. I'm actually happy that you've found a browser that will suit your needs. After all, isn't that what this is all about? There should be no need for us to defend Opera nor should there be any need for members to attack it. It is a free browser which either meets our needs or doesn't and that's really the long and short of it. Good luck to you.

  • I too have been an Opera user for many years. Just today upgraded to 18 and came here looking for bookmark help.

    Wow.

    There is no way I can use Opera now so I will move on to something else. But that pales in comparison to my curiosity. I am simply fascinated by what must be going on behind the scenes here to justify this behavior at Opera. Does anyone have any links to outside articles explaining this? This is far worse than the Yahoo mail redesign fiasco, and that's all over the internet.

    If anyone has any background links or data it would be fascinating to read.

    thanks

  • Why not move your membership over to Vivaldi.net? In fact, in one of the forum threads being discussed (and started by the former founder of Opera), bookmarks are being discussed. You might find it very interesting.

  • Cicero,

    Tell me....what help do you want with bookmarks?

    They work very well in Opera 18 and above. What is the problem that I, or any of the more expert users of Opera who post on here, can help you with?

  • Originally posted by CICEROSC:

    f anyone has any background links or data it would be fascinating to read.

    Their user surveys told them “that more than 90% of our users never actually added a single bookmark to the ones shipped with Opera.”

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    Their user surveys told them “that more than 90% of our users never actually added a single bookmark to the ones shipped with Opera.”

    And the Billboard record charts, once they introduced soundscan, which scanned every one sold, instead of basing their rankings on "surveys", they found most of their charts were all wrong. To believe that 90% of Opera's users never add a single bookmark, is so ridiculous I can't even write this without grinning. Honestly, really? You can't tell from just a "survey" of all the posts on this forum, that that is an absurd statement? Do you not ever add a bookmark, no, as I bet none of even the "experts" here could say yes to.....

    But one thing that has been missing in all these "discussions", is what about those of us who had Opera 16, only to find all the bookmarks we had in Opera, gone, with 17, or maybe it was 15 and then gone with 16, I can't keep track, too many numbers in my life already. All I see are workarounds if you want to import them from 12 or below, or from Chrome, etc...

    And does anyone honestly know if the developers are actually intending to bring back some sort of bookmark manager along the lines of what used to be, or what every other browser employs?

  • Having to turn something on, then having it take up screen space instead is a stupid way to have to workaround this ridiculous situation.
    So far this is my biggest gripe with Opera. Maybe if it were as fast as it claims, but it's still just middle of the pack. I'm starting to see my dislike of Chrome fade as I use Opera more, especially as it's based on Chromium.
    I don't remember who called Opera a major browser alternative to IE, but they are out of touch with reality. There are a lot of people who have never heard of Opera. Many more know Firefox and Chrome. Even on mobile devices I'm willing to bet that Dolphin is as known as Opera.
    I've been using Opera since I want to say version 4. The last three versions you had to pay for. Four, five, and six? I don't remember the versions. Huge, and noticeable improvements over IE and Firefox. Not not very noticeable at all, other than the pain in the ass it is to save webpages in something like bookmarks. Some things are industry standards for a reason... they work, and they work well. This is not an improvement in speed, efficiency, or anything else.

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