Option to edit DEFAULT SEARCH ENGINES
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stealth789 last edited by
A. You say: "Why I'm forced to use something, when there's something better for me that I'd like?" You say, " I don't understand, why anybody thinks, that they're better than anybody else, and can decide something for me by force / restriction ..."
Because, Stealth789, this isn't a world where you get everything you want. Maybe I want to drive down the highway a 100 miles an hour. The state says no, or the country. You can't have whatever you want. What gives you the right to think you can. Now you're getting a "free browser." You're not paying a penny, but act as if you have rights here. How so? This is incredible that you act as if this is a question of your freedom. And by the way, Opera is a business. If they act negligently in providing unsafe search engines, it's possible they could be sued. Will you help pay for their liability damages if they are? I certainly hope so, since you are so cavalier about thinking they should grant you the right to use additional search engines, even if they deem it unsafe.Who stated that somebody can get whatever they want? And sure some rules are reasonable. Some are not. And so are changing over time. And we can debate about "free" browser on forum of browser business model. But it's another topic.
And by rights you mean what? To express my opinion. And use regular arguments? Please explain me, what part of debate is not regular, and what kind of special right is that I've got? To ask? To reply?
And sued. Ok. What can I sue them for? That I used something on my own? So any other browser should be sued. It's like anybody can sue them, because they allowed me to change settings? Really. I think that this things are covered. But sure maybe there's way. I don't know.
But also Opera didn't ask me if I want to send every site I visit to fraud check. So when I ask for additional option (even cover by power user settings) I'm wrong here? I'm asking, and arguing. I thought that's correct.B. You say: "And when you're allowing extensions for search and also custom search engine. What's the difference here for default one?"
But Stealth789, I defer to the Opera developer, not to you. I trust them, not someone in the forum lobbying as hard as you are for a position, I have myself great reservations about about pushing them to act in a way that they deem unsafe.Since when is arguing pushing? What exactly is pushing? That I'm not the one that stops when someone said so? If there won't be arguments that are reasonable, and more question to discuss, sure there's no much more to talk about. But till now I thought that it's regular debate. If I'm against some rules, just let me know what it it that I broke. Because in that case I'm sorry, but I'm not aware of this.
C. You say: "Please give me an example, when custom / extension provided search engine is not threat, but changing default one is."
How many times do I have to repeat this? This thread is getting tiresome. I don't have to prove anything. I don't have to give examples. I defer to the Opera developer here. I'm a layman. It's not my area of expertise. If my car breaks down, I don't fix it myself. I go to a mechanic. I go to someone I trust!!! I trust the Opera developer on this issue, and not you. Not personal offense, of course, intended. In fact, I don't trust anyone lobbying hard on this issue in this forum. As I mentioned in a related thread, "if people were trying to hijack the Opera search engines, would it surprise anyone if they came into the Opera forum, and tried aggressively to encourage Opera to expand search engines, so that it would be easier to hijack them? The reality is that anyone who has an interest in hijacking an Opera web search engine would have an interest in setting up an identity in the forum (they'd probably be relatively new to the forum), and in aggressively pushing Opera to have more search engines (because Opera cannot protect them as well).Sure you don't have to. Even reply, I get it. Ok, but then why you're trying to convince me, or force to let go, when you're as you stated no "car repairer"? Don't get me wrong. But I'm just using correct arguments, in debate. So what's wrong with it? An I you don't need to trust me to be able to argument, when arguments are to the topic. I'm not saying "Add this option, because I said so.". I'm trying to use arguments why or how there can be way for both sides. So please don't expect me to give up without proper reasons either. I just didn't see here on forum through debate on this topic. So I thought we can debate it here. This is the place. More reasons, more arguments the better the decision. That's my point. Then anybody can consider it better. To consider for and againsts. Made good decision, when most it debated. Nothing more, nothing less. Some kind of compromise would be great. Not forcing. But expressing my reasons and point of view within rules.
D. You say: "You're still just arguing against every option."
Maybe every option is bad, except the one Opera has chosen. I'm not arguing against the option Opera has chosen. Why do you assume there's an option that is better than what they have decided. Anyway, the Opera developer is the party I trust, not to expose me to risk of search engine hijacking, password theft, identity theft, etc. They have an interest in acting in a non-negligent fashion, because if they are negligent, they assume financial risk. This is a hugely important issue, and I'm concerned about how casually you seem to dismiss it.And please don't state Opera as some bighead with only and best decisions. I'm saying that there's way for reasonable compromise good for anybody. So just simply react, why some way can't be. What's bad with it, so any reasonable conclusion can be made. Because now it looks just like "It won't be, just because".
And sure from now I'm getting to know that money can be real issue here. But practically? Google pay to Firefox, and still there's way to change their search engine. Because even so, not everybody will change default engine, and they know it. Only users that knows what they're doing. But if money are reason behind this all, simply write it down. It will be reason enough, that it won't be changed because of this. But still I don't think that Opera is getting money from Wikipedia. But here I'm really not so sure. But then it's not real question about security. But it's another theme. -
lem729 last edited by
I guess we won't agree on this. The last thing in the world I want is for Opera to permit browser search engines it views as inherently unsafe. I look to The Opera developer to establish safety standards in its browser. I don't want their carelessness or negligence in setting up a pruduct -- or in capitulating to certain forum complainant's demands -- to put users at risk. If they deem more search engines as dangerous, but permit them on the browser, they would be remiss in their responsibility to users. It would be negligent to do so, particularly given the grave consequencies that can flow from hijacked search engine searches.
I fully support more search engines as a default in Opera, when the Opera developer deems it safe to do so.
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blackbird71 last edited by
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And you're telling that Opera 12.17 and other browsers are not protecting users? I'm sorry, but from my point of view, this is only excuse.
And give me example what is hijacked now in current implementation of Opera Blink and why it's no problem in Opera 12.17?
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They allow in Opera Presto.
...As for what other browsers do, they may not have had the hijacking problem, or they may be acting in a careless manner.
It's fine to ask for Opera to permit more default search engines, as long as Opera determines that adding them would not be a significant security risk for the user.Please don't make statement that other browser are careless! First give some prove. It's not honest to argument like this. And Opera 12.17 (and older long time used older versions) is careless? So basically Opera is careless?
...Wrong. In Presto Opera 12.15 through 12.17, it is NOT allowed to set a custom default search engine and have it persist across a browser shutdown/restart cycle. That is one of the major changes made in the update from 12.14, and the statement by Opera made at the time was that it was being done to prevent browser hijacking. That new approach to limiting default search engines was simply continued with Blink Opera. You or I may disagree with Opera's thinking on this, but it's their call to make, and they've given their reasons for why; further, it's been the case from the later Presto days onward.
Back in Presto days, Opera had another policy that used to drive some users crazy, which was their adherence to standards that, on an https page, disallowed browser connections being made/called from that page to an unsecure http page/site. That played havoc for some users at certain web sites that were coded sloppily, and those users were vehement in their demand that Opera relax their practices "like all the other browsers". Opera would not, citing security issues as their rationale.
Opera makes the browser; Opera is responsible for the security protections they put in it. As a suggestion that Opera find a way to safely allow user customization of the browser default search engine, I can heartily agree. But any suggestion that they simply relax their perceptions of what is safe for users is not something that I would be willing to do.
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blackbird71 last edited by
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Please give me an example, when custom / extension provided search engine is not threat, but changing default one is.
...The entire subject of extensions is incredibly complex, in part because it opens a door to a browser becoming an entirely different "animal" than it was in its bare-bones state. Opera is accountable for the design of its browsers; in most cases, 3rd-party developers are responsible for the design of their extensions. Opera does what it deems safe in its browsers. If extensions bypass some of Opera's safety-related design choices, that's for the extension developers and the users to decide... but it doesn't impact what Opera feels is safe at any given time. Just because an extension might bypass a protection of a default setting doesn't equate to Opera necessarily agreeing with it.
Frankly, the whole business of extensions is its own security "fur ball", at least in how it's usually done (the extensions not being designed, supported, vetted, and supplied by the browser maker itself). It's one of the modern browser developments that I take strong issue with... but that's just me.
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lem729 last edited by
Opera extensions undergo a fairly rigid Opera review, before being approved, including Opera's "review of the code," and that the extension: "must not collect private information without authorization from the user."
http://dev.opera.com/extensions/tut_publishing_guidelines.html
My understanding is that Opera gives has given a more rigorous review/vetting to it's extensions than Google has to Chrome extensions, at least as of a year ago. http://browserfame.com/1928/chrome-vs-opera
In any event, this issue of Opera setting up a procedure where one can add a search engine, by going to the website of the search engine and right clicking on the search bar, then have a one letter (or maybe two) code to type before a search from the Opera address bar is strictly within Opera. It is not an extension work-around. And it is presumably deemed by Opera safer than permitting the adding of more default search engines.
If the Opera developer deems that process safer for the user than adding default search engines (which has certain hijacking risks deemed by Opera unacceptable), I have no reason or desire to second-guess Opera on that.
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stealth789 last edited by
I guess we won't agree on this. The last thing in the world I want is for Opera to permit browser search engines it views as inherently unsafe. I look to The Opera developer to establish safety standards in its browser. I don't want their carelessness or negligence in setting up a pruduct -- or in capitulating to certain forum complainant's demands -- to put users at risk. If they deem more search engines as dangerous, but permit them on the browser, they would be remiss in their responsibility to users. It would be negligent to do so, particularly given the grave consequencies that can flow from hijacked search engine searches.
I fully support more search engines as a default in Opera, when the Opera developer deems it safe to do so.I'm not talking about making Opera less secure. I'm talking about option to safe change of search engine, if it's possible. And I think there are ways how to make it possible to be safe for standard users, but even power users. And simply if you allow something, it doesn't necessarily mean it insecure. It's like say, that it's insecure for my firewall to allow opera access to port HTTP.
Here it's question if it's possible to allow users to change engine safe way. And when you don't agree, I'm asking why and trying to giving other options. When someone say simple no, I'm asking why, and if there's not any other way. What's wrong with that? -
lem729 last edited by
Yes, but I defer to Opera on what is safe. If they think adding more default search engines is not safe (because of the risk of search engine hijackings), that's enough for me. There's nothing in any of the posts in this thread to demonstrate or even to suggest that Opera has exercised its discretion in an improper manner. It is Opera's call, and Opera's alone. If you're saying that you want more default search engines, if Opera determines that adding them is safe, then I agree with that.
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stealth789 last edited by
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And you're telling that Opera 12.17 and other browsers are not protecting users? I'm sorry, but from my point of view, this is only excuse.
And give me example what is hijacked now in current implementation of Opera Blink and why it's no problem in Opera 12.17?
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They allow in Opera Presto.
...As for what other browsers do, they may not have had the hijacking problem, or they may be acting in a careless manner.
It's fine to ask for Opera to permit more default search engines, as long as Opera determines that adding them would not be a significant security risk for the user.Please don't make statement that other browser are careless! First give some prove. It's not honest to argument like this. And Opera 12.17 (and older long time used older versions) is careless? So basically Opera is careless?
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Wrong. In Presto Opera 12.15 through 12.17, it is NOT allowed to set a custom default search engine and have it persist across a browser shutdown/restart cycle. That is one of the major changes made in the update from 12.14, and the statement by Opera made at the time was that it was being done to prevent browser hijacking. That new approach to limiting default search engines was simply continued with Blink Opera. You or I may disagree with Opera's thinking on this, but it's their call to make, and they've given their reasons for why; further, it's been the case from the later Presto days onward.Maybe partially wrong. I used Opera 12.17. And even older releases. You can't claim it wrong just on your selected sample versions from many of them. But still in this case it strictly question of security. Not about that you can't use engine XYZ.
Back in Presto days, Opera had another policy that used to drive some users crazy, which was their adherence to standards that, on an https page, disallowed browser connections being made/called from that page to an unsecure http page/site. That played havoc for some users at certain web sites that were coded sloppily, and those users were vehement in their demand that Opera relax their practices "like all the other browsers". Opera would not, citing security issues as their rationale.
I understand that security is primary. So if it's security in this case. Let's say if only power users, or even in file like "Web Data" will change this. Is it still insecure? Or basically you saying, there's no secure way to provide this option? I don't think so.
Opera makes the browser; Opera is responsible for the security protections they put in it. As a suggestion that Opera find a way to safely allow user customization of the browser default search engine, I can heartily agree. But any suggestion that they simply relax their perceptions of what is safe for users is not something that I would be willing to do.
Ok, so why for example in search engines there are some that don't use HTTPS connection, even when server side supports it? Where's the security there?
Sure I highly honor security. But not as excuse for right reasons. -
stealth789 last edited by
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Please give me an example, when custom / extension provided search engine is not threat, but changing default one is.
...The entire subject of extensions is incredibly complex, in part because it opens a door to a browser becoming an entirely different "animal" than it was in its bare-bones state. Opera is accountable for the design of its browsers; in most cases, 3rd-party developers are responsible for the design of their extensions. Opera does what it deems safe in its browsers. If extensions bypass some of Opera's safety-related design choices, that's for the extension developers and the users to decide... but it doesn't impact what Opera feels is safe at any given time. Just because an extension might bypass a protection of a default setting doesn't equate to Opera necessarily agreeing with it.
Frankly, the whole business of extensions is its own security "fur ball", at least in how it's usually done (the extensions not being designed, supported, vetted, and supplied by the browser maker itself). It's one of the modern browser developments that I take strong issue with... but that's just me.I used extension as example. To know if problem is?
- a) We can't use any / specific search engine - mean to select engine ABC, as Opera didn't check it whatever.
- b) We can't use other engines, because for now there's no secure way to change this engine, without compromising security.
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stealth789 last edited by
Opera extensions undergo a fairly rigid Opera review, before being approved, including Opera's "review of the code," and that the extension: "must not collect private information without authorization from the user."
http://dev.opera.com/extensions/tut_publishing_guidelines.html
My understanding is that Opera gives has given a more rigorous review/vetting to it's extensions than Google has to Chrome extensions, at least as of a year ago. http://browserfame.com/1928/chrome-vs-opera
In any event, this issue of Opera setting up a procedure where one can add a search engine, by going to the website of the search engine and right clicking on the search bar, then have a one letter (or maybe two) code to type before a search from the Opera address bar is strictly within Opera. It is not an extension work-around. And it is presumably deemed by Opera safer than permitting the adding of more default search engines.
If the Opera developer deems that process safer for the user than adding default search engines (which has certain hijacking risks deemed by Opera unacceptable), I have no reason or desire to second-guess Opera on that.From developer point of view. Practically speaking, there's no huge difference between custom and define search engine. If we're talking about code. More about are different reasons why don't allow it.
But if I make extension that allows to use any there defined engine, would it be acceptable by Opera? Let's say some Disconnect Search act like extension with ability to use custom engine? Or when this extension will have let's say 100 fixed engines, but you can set any as default. Will Opera allow it? Again using also address bar to input search term?
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lem729 last edited by
But if I make extension that allows to use any there defined engine, would it be acceptable by Opera? Let's say some Disconnect Search act like extension with ability to use custom engine? Or when this extension will have let's say 100 fixed engines, but you can set any as default. Will Opera allow it? Again using also address bar to input search term?
You say: "But if I make extension that allows to use any there defined engine, would it be acceptable by Opera?"
I have no idea as to the answer to your question. You'd have to meet the Opera review criteria, which are fairly extensive. http://dev.opera.com/extensions/tut_publishing_guidelines.html
Every case is individual, and must meet the extensive Opera review criteria for approval of an extension. You cannot generalize from Opera's approval of the Disconnect Search extension. The Disconnect Search extension was approved by Opera (but the whole Disconnect enterprise is focused on safety (designed to prevent Internet Service Providers and thousands of websites from seeing your searches and tracking you), so the Opera review (of the code of that extension) and the determination that it was okay and safe for Opera users, is no precedent for how Opera would react to a different extension that permitted a search (using a search engine that is not one of the five Opera Default engines) from the Opera Address Bar. It would no doubt be coded differently, reviewed on its own terms, based on the Opera review criteria. The whole Disconnect enterprise by an ostensibly reputable enterprise has has a lot of positive reviews, and surely was determined by Opera to add needed and valuable functionality (providing a search that is anonymous).
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/02/27/wall-street-journal-privacy-series-inspires-one-start-up/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/technology/personaltech/sweeping-away-a-search-history.html?_r=0
Opera's review of extension codes is designed to determine among other things, that there are no obvious bugs. If Opera deems the extension code malicious (one that could permit a search engine hijacking), one could easily guess to a 99.9 percent certainty that they would not approve it, or at least I would hope I mean a third party search bar (created by an extension) which can be easily taken over and hijacked would seem like an obvious "bug." Also, all extensions are reviewed to ensure that the extension must not collect private information without authorization from the user. It must not send private data to an external store.
On the insurance of safety through the native browser, and its review of extensions, at this point, it seems to me that it's Opera's call. I see no reason to second guess Opera. The safety decision is theirs.
As to the "safety" issue in the native Opera browser, I cannot urge Opera developers to "safely" add additional default search engines (as you have suggested), because that presumes that it can be safely done, and in a cost effective manner. That's putting the cart before the horse. Rather, I would urge that IF they can safely and cost-effectively add additional search engines, then they should do it.
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stealth789 last edited by
But if I make extension that allows to use any there defined engine, would it be acceptable by Opera? Let's say some Disconnect Search act like extension with ability to use custom engine? Or when this extension will have let's say 100 fixed engines, but you can set any as default. Will Opera allow it? Again using also address bar to input search term?
You say: "But if I make extension that allows to use any there defined engine, would it be acceptable by Opera?"
I have no idea as to the answer to your question. You'd have to meet the Opera review criteria, which are fairly extensive. http://dev.opera.com/extensions/tut_publishing_guidelines.html
Every case is individual, and must meet the extensive Opera review criteria for approval of an extension. You cannot generalize from Opera's approval of the Disconnect Search extension. The Disconnect Search extension was approved by Opera (but the whole Disconnect enterprise is focused on safety (designed to prevent Internet Service Providers and thousands of websites from seeing your searches and tracking you), so the Opera review (of the code of that extension) and the determination that it was okay and safe for Opera users, is no precedent for how Opera would react to a different extension that permitted a search (using a search engine that is not one of the five Opera Default engines) from the Opera Address Bar. It would no doubt be coded differently, reviewed on its own terms, based on the Opera review criteria. The whole Disconnect enterprise by a ostensibly reputable enterprise has has a lot of positive reviews, and surely was determined by Opera to add needed and valuable functionality (providing a search where that search is anonymous).Sure I understand that it's individual. But I don't find there anything mentioning my scenario. Still Opera can remove any contents on their pages if they want. Or there's part about option to edit.
To be accurate, Opera has 10 engines (now). But sure 5 are active based on location. When I don't count location variants there are: allegro, amazon, baidu, bing, google, rambler, seznam, wiki, yahoo, yandex. From this 10: 1 use secure connection, 2 don't use HTTPS (even it's supported by server), and 7 don't use HTTPS, because they just don't support it. So basically only 1 is secure, without uncovering my privacy!
And when we're talking about positive reviews, also read about StartPage/Ixquick or DuckDuckGo. Or other secure and safe search engines. Not to force you, but to know, there are other alternatives. And power users knows it, and want to be secure.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/17/disconnect-2-brings-more-privacy-to-your-browser-lets-you-block-2k-sites-from-tracking-your-activity-online/
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/02/27/wall-street-journal-privacy-series-inspires-one-start-up/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/technology/personaltech/sweeping-away-a-search-history.html?_r=0
Opera's review of the codes is designed to determine among other things, where there are any obvious bugs. If Opera deems the extension code malicious (one that could permit a search engine hijacking), one could easily guess they would not approve it, or at least I would hope I mean a third party search bar (created by an extension) which can be easily taken over and hijacked would seem like an obvious "bug." Also, all extensions are reviewed to ensure that the extension must not collect private information without authorization from the user. It must not send private data to an external store.Sure I understand about privacy. But there are extensions that allow you to search from specific popup windows. But still if it's possible to override default engine like Disconnect Search extension, then it's just possible.
On the insurance of safety through the native browser, and its review of extensions, at this point, it seems to me that it's Opera's call. I see no reason to second guess Opera. The safety decision is theirs.
Sure if Oprea won't approve it, there's no way. At least not to provide extension on Opera site. Still there are Options to use different site. But it sure will look unsafe in first place. So hope people don't use any of this kind of extensions.
I cannot urge them to "safely" add additional default search engines, because that presumes that it can be safely done in a cost effective manner. That's putting the cart before the horse. Rather, I would urge that if they can safely and cost-effectively add additional search engines, then they should do it.
Sure. I'm not asking anybody to do it, just because. I'm trying to argument, and find a way. And anybody can read arguments, and made decision on their own. I don't think that argue more is worse for decision.
As for now I use 5 browsers. For example IE for specific portal applications, and also Chromium, Firefox, TorBrowser and sure Opera as main browser. In any other of them I have custom engine. So basically when I switch to another one, I'm expecting it to work. Now when I'm in Opera I have to press key. And as you know people forget. So time to time it's hard when you again see results you won't see. It's disturbing, and also from my personal point un-secure (it's just personal preference).
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blackbird71 last edited by
Does it is necessary to discuss the same thing in two topics?
Perhaps not "necessary"... but you have to admit, it adds to the challenge of keeping one's mind straight as to where one posted what.
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Deleted User last edited by
Does it is necessary to discuss the same thing in two topics?
Perhaps not "necessary"... but you have to admit, it adds to the challenge of keeping one's mind straight as to where one posted what.
LOL
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lem729 last edited by admin
You mentioned in that other thread that you never save your password on a browser.
https://forums.opera.com/topic/3441/search-engine-default/29
I do, and I'm sure many others do. There are just too many passwords at too many sites one needs to access to have to re-enter them all the time. But maybe that is is a reason why you are less concerned about a search engine hijacking. If your search engine is hijacked, there are no passwords of yours in the browser that are insecure/compromised. Fine, so you can be relaxed about using a less secure/higher risk search engine.
I feel strongly about the issue (that I want Opera to not offer less safe search engines) because if my search engine is hijacked my data, including passwords, is compromised -- and a lot of things adverse to me can come into play from that.
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stealth789 last edited by admin
@stealth789
You mentioned in that other thread that you never save your password on a browser.
https://forums.opera.com/topic/3441/search-engine-default/29
I do, and I'm sure many others do. There are just too many passwords at too many sites one needs to access to have to re-enter them all the time. But maybe that is is a reason why you are less concerned about a search engine hijacking. If your search engine is hijacked, there are no passwords of yours in the browser that are insecure/compromised. Fine, so you can be relaxed about using a less secure/higher risk search engine.
I feel strongly about the issue (that I want Opera to not offer less safe search engines) because if my search engine is hijacked my data, including passwords, is compromised -- and a lot of things adverse to me can come into play from that.My answer's here https://forums.opera.com/post/42565 . Also more about your "safe" engines I mentioned just here above https://forums.opera.com/post/42511 . From 10 only 1 act at least in secure connection. But is suspicious from tracking uses, so basically their privacy!
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stealth789 last edited by
But if I make extension that allows to use any there defined engine, would it be acceptable by Opera? Let's say some Disconnect Search act like extension with ability to use custom engine? Or when this extension will have let's say 100 fixed engines, but you can set any as default. Will Opera allow it? Again using also address bar to input search term?
You say: "But if I make extension that allows to use any there defined engine, would it be acceptable by Opera?"
I have no idea as to the answer to your question. You'd have to meet the Opera review criteria, which are fairly extensive. http://dev.opera.com/extensions/tut_publishing_guidelines.html
Every case is individual, and must meet the extensive Opera review criteria for approval of an extension. You cannot generalize from Opera's approval of the Disconnect Search extension. The Disconnect Search extension was approved by Opera (but the whole Disconnect enterprise is focused on safety (designed to prevent Internet Service Providers and thousands of websites from seeing your searches and tracking you), so the Opera review (of the code of that extension) and the determination that it was okay and safe for Opera users, is no precedent for how Opera would react to a different extension that permitted a search (using a search engine that is not one of the five Opera Default engines) from the Opera Address Bar. It would no doubt be coded differently, reviewed on its own terms, based on the Opera review criteria. The whole Disconnect enterprise by a ostensibly reputable enterprise has has a lot of positive reviews, and surely was determined by Opera to add needed and valuable functionality (providing a search where that search is anonymous).Sure I understand that it's individual. But I don't find there anything mentioning my scenario. Still Opera can remove any contents on their pages if they want. Or there's part about option to edit.
To be accurate, Opera has 10 engines (now). But sure 5 are active based on location. When I don't count location variants there are: allegro, amazon, baidu, bing, google, rambler, seznam, wiki, yahoo, yandex. From this 10: 1 use secure connection, 2 don't use HTTPS (even it's supported by server), and 7 don't use HTTPS, because they just don't support it. So basically only 1 is secure, without uncovering my privacy!Just to be accurate one mistake in numbers. So as I tried now there's one more engine that can use secure connection, but is not set correctly:
- 1 engine use secure connection HTTPS (SSL secure connection): google
- 3 engines are set wrong by Opera, as they accept secure conection (on server side), but are not set to use it: bing, wiki, yahoo
- 6 engines doesn't support secure connection: allegro, amazon, baidu, rambler, seznam, yandex
And when we're talking about positive reviews, also read about StartPage/Ixquick or DuckDuckGo. Or other secure and safe search engines. Not to force you, but to know, there are other alternatives. And power users knows it, and want to be secure.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/17/disconnect-2-brings-more-privacy-to-your-browser-lets-you-block-2k-sites-from-tracking-your-activity-online/
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/02/27/wall-street-journal-privacy-series-inspires-one-start-up/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/technology/personaltech/sweeping-away-a-search-history.html?_r=0
Opera's review of the codes is designed to determine among other things, where there are any obvious bugs. If Opera deems the extension code malicious (one that could permit a search engine hijacking), one could easily guess they would not approve it, or at least I would hope I mean a third party search bar (created by an extension) which can be easily taken over and hijacked would seem like an obvious "bug." Also, all extensions are reviewed to ensure that the extension must not collect private information without authorization from the user. It must not send private data to an external store.Sure I understand about privacy. But there are extensions that allow you to search from specific popup windows. But still if it's possible to override default engine like Disconnect Search extension, then it's just possible.
On the insurance of safety through the native browser, and its review of extensions, at this point, it seems to me that it's Opera's call. I see no reason to second guess Opera. The safety decision is theirs.
Sure if Oprea won't approve it, there's no way. At least not to provide extension on Opera site. Still there are Options to use different site. But it sure will look unsafe in first place. So hope people don't use any of this kind of extensions.
I cannot urge them to "safely" add additional default search engines, because that presumes that it can be safely done in a cost effective manner. That's putting the cart before the horse. Rather, I would urge that if they can safely and cost-effectively add additional search engines, then they should do it.
Sure. I'm not asking anybody to do it, just because. I'm trying to argument, and find a way. And anybody can read arguments, and made decision on their own. I don't think that argue more is worse for decision.
As for now I use 5 browsers. For example IE for specific portal applications, and also Chromium, Firefox, TorBrowser and sure Opera as main browser. In any other of them I have custom engine. So basically when I switch to another one, I'm expecting it to work. Now when I'm in Opera I have to press key. And as you know people forget. So time to time it's hard when you again see results you won't see. It's disturbing, and also from my personal point un-secure (it's just personal preference). -
lem729 last edited by
alaxanderzeus,
You're repeating verbatem the arguments already made by stealth789 and me.
We all agree that if they can safely and cost effectively add additonal search engines, we recommend they do it. Everyone agrees it shouldn't be done if Opera concludes it's not safe.
There is nowhere else for this thread to go. It's really time to close it.
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stealth789 last edited by
alaxanderzeus,
You're repeating verbatem the arguments already made by stealth789 and me.
We all agree that if they can safely and cost effectively add additonal search engines, we recommend they do it. Everyone agrees it shouldn't be done if Opera concludes it's not safe.I just don't agree that they can't do it safely and cost effectively.
As you stated before you're not specialist on this specific topic or developer. So basically no one responsible didn't react the way why exactly this cannot happen. So then I can argue to it, why it should be possible. As I'm used from any other forums that I can argue about my suggestion also with people really responsible for possible application of suggestion. But maybe my misunderstanding.
There is nowhere else for this thread to go. It's really time to close it.