Opera has lost contact with customers
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Deleted User last edited by
You explain things so clearly and patiently, blackbird71, but it never seems to register. I truly welcome the purging of the forums although what will be left is anyone's guess. Hopefully with MyOpera dismantled and the relief from SPAM, more time can be devoted to answering user questions and ridding the forums of useless noise.
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tgaal last edited by
OK. Thank you both. Now I understand. I was wrong and everything is OK with Opera. All we have to do is switch to another browser. I am sorry to see a really good browser deteriorate, because I was a real fan of it since 2002. But you both are right. The problem is with me, who wants things, functions and features that were part of Opera before, but they do not want to have them any more. Sorry for my (and many other user's) "special" requests.
And I am not a developer. I have been a devoted user. So I can not "make things better by giving solutions" - I do not have to. I will act according to what the two of you have wrote and forget Opera. Although my heart breaks for it. Not that anyone should care - you are right with that again.
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demarcobg last edited by
Exactly everything what tgaal wrote stands for me. It is something pretty wrong if you have so many post of long time users who are simply sad because they have to use now quite old versions, while the new one appear to miss functionalities which made me to use Opera as a most favorable browser in the first place. I am not a developer, I am simply the user. And I will use Opera for some more time, hoping that some of normal, useful appeals from long time users catch attention.
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Synbios last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
There is little to be gained from a 64-bit version of Opera, since each tab now runs in a separate process.
Not true. Things should be moving toward 64-bit, not away. Because of programs refusing to switch from 32-bit, OSes are forced to keep emulation software around for years. Windows for example has WoW64, Linux requires 32-bit libraries. Current versions of Windows can no longer run 16-bit programs because developers have migrated away from it over the years, that needs to happen at some point for 32-bit to reduce bulk associated with 32-bit libraries.
Also, I run 64-bit Java for ImageJ and Matlab (they use Java for their interface), so I need a 64-bit browser to work with that Java. Having multiple versions of Java on my system is a pain in the ass as you have to constantly maintain the Java target directories and maintain two different sets of updates. Having 32-bit Java is a huge inconvenience to me and not something I should have to deal with.
Not having 64-bit is a big mistake in my opinion.
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blackbird71 last edited byOriginally posted by Synbios:
... Things should be moving toward 64-bit, not away. Because of programs refusing to switch from 32-bit, OSes are forced to keep emulation software around for years. Windows for example has WoW64, Linux requires 32-bit libraries. ... I run 64-bit Java for ImageJ and Matlab (they use Java for their interface), so I need a 64-bit browser to work with that Java. Having multiple versions of Java on my system is a pain ... Not having 64-bit is a big mistake in my opinion.
Eventually, we'll probably all agree. I remember somewhat similar things occurring and the frustrations in the shift from 16-bit to 32-bit structures back in the early days... but that evolved quicker, probably because the gains to be had from migration were so evident at the state (and limitations) of technology in those days, plus the hardware lent itself to the shift more readily.
The problem, of course, is that we all must live in the present, and the "present" is where a 64-bit version of Webkit/Blink has not yet come to be. Consequently, there's not a 64-bit engine there for Opera to build upon. Your only choice at present is to find a 64-bit browser that works with your array of software and make the best of it.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
the "present" is where a 64-bit version of Webkit/Blink has not yet come to be.
Hm? I've been using it for years.
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blackbird71 last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by blackbird71:
the "present" is where a 64-bit version of Webkit/Blink has not yet come to be.
Hm? I've been using it for years.
On Windows?
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Synbios last edited by
There is a 64-bit version of both Chromium and Chrome for Linux. There is a 64-bit version of Chromium for Windows.
http://chromium.woolyss.com/#windowsThe only thing missing is 64-bit version of Chrome for Windows. If Opera wanted to separate itself from Chrome more and offer a feature that Google/Chrome doesn't already, making a 64-bit version of Opera from the 64-bit Chromium would be perfect.
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x0xtek last edited by
I think it's great that Opera want to move with the times and update the look and feel of their browser, and okay they have used open source software as the basis for the new browser.
but
this gives you access to all the extensions already made for Chrome, by adding one little extension.
not such a bad thing!
On the down side why there is no "sync" on Windows XP is beyond me.
It really p***** me off that they would leave a huge chunk of the community out in the cold.
sort it out and it could be a great browser once again!
My ten cents don't take it personal.
regards,
`cosmo
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blackcoyote last edited by
Originally posted by DeMarcoBg:
Exactly everything what tgaal wrote stands for me. It is something pretty wrong if you have so many post of long time users who are simply sad because they have to use now quite old versions, while the new one appear to miss functionalities which made me to use Opera as a most favorable browser in the first place. I am not a developer, I am simply the user. And I will use Opera for some more time, hoping that some of normal, useful appeals from long time users catch attention.
I agree 100%.
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biggerabalone last edited by
Originally posted by tgaal:
You did not understand a word from what I wrote. Sad...
i do. i think the reason is because of money. they're struggling to survive. they could not keep pace with the development of webkit/blink, so they were forced to join it - it's not that they necessarily wanted to dump their presto baby and all of their features, they couldn't afford to fight google anymore. lack of dialogue is also indicative of finances. in 2011,2012 they lost money. 2013 (blink year) they came out of the red. their stock price seems to really have jumped up with blink too.
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kodrutz last edited by
So meh, it really saddened me to see Opera Unite disappear. With a bit of more work, would have turned Opera into THE browser to have. Right now I'm using Maxthon for most of the time and turning back to Opera a few times a month to check updates on both 12.x and the Alpha/Beta/failed-Crome-copyacat/whatever-you-call-it-that-silly-version-without-bookmarks.
If they can't maintain the Community features at least, then I am sure Opera will disappear in two years max. I'd really love to see it stay but I can't deny what I see. A real pity...
