Full url in Opera 17. Any chances?
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
My question was not silly. You can check and edit the URL string easily with F8.
Indeed, it was more than silly. Silly would be to suggest one write an extension to display a full addressbar underneath the addressbar. Suggesting one press F8 constantly is beyond silly. It fits a pattern, of course.
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
or are you really in need of pursuing the protocol to go to a sightly different page?
It's not like this came up recently or anything.
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/109458842?startidx=200#comment112867522
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/109458842?startidx=200#comment112870972
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/109458842?startidx=200#comment112875252
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/109458842?startidx=200#comment112884802
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/109458842?startidx=250#comment112899952I've already typed a different address from the addressbar while I was on one of the opera:// pages, only to end up on opera://whatever.com doesn't exist. Hiding the protocol is broken. Hard-coded text colors are broken. Hiding the query string and hash makes the browser appear broken in many circumstances because it's not clear that a different page is actually being loaded, nor that jumping will occur due to the presence of a hash. And in any case, having to press keys constantly on a device meant for automation of meaningless tasks is broken.
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
The problem with the address field being ENTIRELY removed is that there would be no way to go to any URL and the security information would have to lie elsewhere. But look, this hypothesis you're talking about has nothing to do with the discussion here: URL string trimming.
Sure there is. Just press F2, or change how F8 works. The Ctrl+F dialog might serve as an example.
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Well guys you aways come up with the most obscure examples that regular users will never come to experience or that doesn't make any difference (like the Opera FTP or HTTP pages)... "The company I work on have broken their own intranet/website." kind of examples...
It's not broken. But even if it were, you keep claiming Blink is so much better than Presto in the website compatibility department. Why would you want to take away part of that alleged advantage?
Originally posted by serious:
Edit: anyhow, all we are asking for is to provide the same option that Op12 had: a checkbox that lets you toggle to show the abbreviated or full url by default (or to make it fully styleable by the skin which would be even more awesome)
Not me, I want more.
Like I keep saying, the hard-coded text color is a broken disaster, and a shining example of the very worst kind of UX: that which doesn't take the user into account, but only some designer's personal preferences. -
serious last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Not me, I want more.
as I said ...
Originally posted by serious:
(or to make it fully styleable by the skin which would be even more awesome)
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by serious:
as I said ...
Originally posted by serious:
(or to make it fully styleable by the skin which would be even more awesome)
Sure, but I'd already be satisfied with just the appropriate text color taken from the OS, just so it wouldn't be broken. Most important, a non-broken implementation shouldn't require any action on my end at all. I'm incredibly patient with Opera, but some random Firefox user checking it out will not be. They'll just see it doesn't even integrate with their dark color scheme and Opera will be gone as quickly as it came.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Just press F2
He meant to ask what I'd think if there wasn't a address field anywhere like as if that was just one higher level of URL trimming which is not, which is why I answered the way I did... (And because there's no F2 in Opera anymore.)
Originally posted by ersi:
If the protocol name takes away readability from the domain name, is it just http that does so? Not at all. So, all protocols are equal here.
You're mixing two things (having the full URL visible 100% of the time or trimmed, and, checking the target of a link).
Originally posted by serious:
Edit: anyhow, all we are asking for is to provide the same option that Op12 had: a checkbox that lets you toggle to show the abbreviated or full url by default (or to make it fully styleable by the skin which would be even more awesome)
Well it was pretty much confirmed by Blazej that the option is coming.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
You're mixing two things (having the full URL visible 100% of the time or trimmed, and, checking the target of a link).
No, I'm not mixing them. The trend of trimming urls in the address field makes you think that address field is as if somehow not for checking the target of your current webpage, but alas, address field is also for that, among other things. Think for a moment: Having the url visible 100% of the time *for what reason*? Checking the address of course. What else?
Address field always was exactly for checking of the current address, i.e. the target of the current webpage, until the trimming began. There's no reason for trimming to be there at all, it certainly should not be forced upon people, the way it is right now in Chropera.
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Well it was pretty much confirmed by Blazej that the option is coming.
Great news! :cheers:
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Well it was pretty much confirmed by Blazej that the option is coming.
Great news! :cheers:
Wait for half a year for it to materialise too, like people do with bookmarks
Seriously, now that they are killing the entire community, the message of the company is clear: Get lost. We need users, not fans http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/important-announcement-about-your-my-opera-account
What kind of users will a company have who buried their own fan base?
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by ersi:
Wait for half a year for it to materialise too, like people do with bookmarks
As long as it's there when Linux support materializes in two years.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by ersi:
Wait for half a year for it to materialise too, like people do with bookmarks
As long as it's there when Linux support materializes in two years.
That's early.
I'd say Linux version will be there in three years, but equally likely the company will be bust or bought up by then
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by ersi:
That's early.
What can I say; I'm an optimist.
The other day I compiled Servo. I wonder if it'll end up replacing Gecko.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by ersi:
Think for a moment: Having the url visible 100% of the time *for what reason*? Checking the address of course. What else?
Checking the page security more easily for example...
Originally posted by ersi:
What kind of users will a company have who buried their own fan base?
They're clearly aiming for what every company aims right? Bankruptcy!
Common, don't be a troll, only the social features were discontinued, the forums and official blogs will be moved to opera.com so the fanbase can continue giving feedback, getting help and interacting normally.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Common, don't be a troll, only the social features were discontinued, the forums and official blogs will be moved to opera.com so the fanbase can continue giving feedback, getting help and interacting normally.
First "only the browser" and now "only the social features, forums, and blogs". That's all "nothing". "Get over it", right?
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
They're clearly aiming for what every company aims right? Bankruptcy!
Okay, I'll let you have the last word
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serious last edited by
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Checking the page security more easily for example...
why not both? In Op12 I have the page security indicator (just smaller, but it still gives color indication) and the full url... Also aren't users trained to ignore all SSL warnings anyhow?
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frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by serious:
why not both? In Op12 I have the page security indicator (just smaller, but it still gives color indication) and the full url...
Agreed, I fail to see how having some text to fill up the seemingly useless white void* distracts you from the big security indicator button. It's quite a bit clearer than the little lock in Firefox and it doesn't have anything to do with hiding either the protocol or the query string.
* A void because addresses are rather small when they're brutally mutilated; white because of the hard-coded gray text.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by serious:
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Checking the page security more easily for example...
why not both? In Op12 I have the page security indicator (just smaller, but it still gives color indication) and the full url... Also aren't users trained to ignore all SSL warnings anyhow?
If he doesn't see his objections aren't even objections, it's hopeless to object in return. It's systematic with him. I leave the poor dude alone.
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softbeehive last edited by
I wonder, is it too hard having developer-friendly option "show full url". I used opera for more than 7 years. For me having url visible continuosly is extremely important, without any additional clicks and keypresses. I think you guys in opera should be more flexible, many people loved opera for its customization-friendly tools, now the only intention I've got is switching to FF.
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frenzie last edited by
BK assured me they're working on it, and the current color scheme legibility issues should also be taken care of at some point. Of course, it's all WIR.
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j7nj7n last edited by
I absolutely agree with Frienzie, Ersi, and Serious. The full request line and protocol must be visible in the address bar at all times.
Right here at this forum, we can modify the web address to get, for example, many posts per single page to facilitate quick searching with Ctrl-F, and seeing the full address suggests us this possibility. (I am not recommending for anyone to try unreasonable values.) Navigate to a page at the forums to bring up all the parameters. Set page=1 and perscreen=500, and get a very long page of posts. The site might have implemented this functionality somewhere in the user's control panel, or it might not have. And we may not know where this control panel is. Or the site may only allow to show, say, 100 posts, and only after registration.
Or how about we bring up an unly "web 2.0" example. Two YouTube videos that look very similar or exactly the same, which we must add to a playlist. The playlist is also showing on another tab. It may become very confusing if we do not see the identifier string. It is quite readable consiting of only printable characters. A proper website may even have words as the identifier/file name.
When the person is offered less information, this only decreases their security, not the other way around.
I am afraid there is a push for a dumbed down web such as this:
Google, load for me the installation of Opera 12.
The resource requested is unavailable due to reported security vulnerabilities.
Google, please!!
The resource you requested is not available. That is all we know.
Google you suck.
(The dumb terminal shuts itself down.)That is a very "human" interaction, suitable for a non-technical user. And this user will never learn "how" to "become" technical, because he does not see the possibility to grow beyond this human dialogue.
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j7nj7n last edited by
Screenshot of 1500 posts obtained by editing the URL bar. The page is 2 megabytes, fully scrollable and searchable. Can Disqus social media crap show that using a reasonable amount of memory!?
