Where is the menu bar?
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A Former User last edited by
I am not sure why anyone needs to waste space with a menu bar. It might be useful if the Alt key pulled down the menus at the top like it does in IE, or in fullscreen Opera, but there's really nothing fundamentally wrong with pulling it down at the side instead of the top.
In Windows 7 I don't see the underlined letters for access keys, but that may just be a setting that needs changing on my setup.
To get to the Print dialogue, use Ctrl P, or Alt, then R (not Alt R)
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mochikun last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
I am not sure why anyone needs to waste space with a menu bar.
Speed? Menu bar: Never more than 1 submenu. O-button: One additional mouse click and often sub-submenus (at least in Opera classic). Crusading through a 3 level menu structure can be a pain when you use a trackpad or trackball. Using the keyboard wouldn't make much difference, but then you probably wouldn't use the menu at all and use shortcuts instead.
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A Former User last edited by
Wasting space with a menu toolbar doesn't make it any faster. In IE you just touch the Alt key to show the menu bar.
The only time I use the menu is if I cannot remember the shortcut or if I am helping others locate some function. The keyboard is just fine for that — Alt + access keys, or cursor keys. On Opera 11.64, I have fixed my button menu to be the same as the top menu bar.
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missingno last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
I am not sure why anyone needs to waste space with a menu bar.
Why not? I guess you are "wasting" space with the tab bar without any "need" as you could switch tabs by mouse gesture or shortcuts as well. Like I mentioned elsewhere, you could even make a list of open tabs under an O-button > Tabs entry. But maybe it should be the users choice how to use the available space?
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mochikun last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Wasting space with a menu toolbar doesn't make it any faster. In IE you just touch the Alt key to show the menu bar.
I was talking about toolbar vs. O-button, not hidden toolbar vs. visible toolbar. And of course, a "space wasting" toolbar is faster than a hidden toolbar. Saves you at least one click to unhide it.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by alexdshields:
No all users have knowledge of all functions in all software. The menu bar is usually a great place to start for novice users. Having access to a menu bar can also make telephone support a whole heck of a lot easier.
Agreed, it's the best way to find your way around new software. New users do have access to the menu bar. As soon as they touch the Alt key, the menu is shown at the top left corner. Using the Alt key to show the menus is standard across all Windows applications. It's probably the first thing that anyone would try if not seeing a menu bar at the top. Try old Opera in fullscreen mode with the menu bar enabled in windowed mode. See how easy it is to access the menus without any need for a menu toolbar cluttering the interface.
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al-khwarizmi last edited by
Classic menu bars have common standards that apply across all programs. For example, "Print" is always under "File", "Find" is always under "Edit", and "Zoom" is always under "View", and there is always a "Help" menu which is the last one to the right - this happens not only in Opera 12.x with the menu bar enabled, but in every application that uses menu bars and has those functions.
This means that (1) you don't have to learn how to perform these standard functions in each program because they can be performed in the same way in every program, and (2) if you use several programs during a session (as most of us do), you don't have to think "now where was the print option in this particular program?" They all have a standard interface so printing something is pretty much unconscious, and therefore immediate.
This alone is a reason why, for me, the classic menu bar is worth much more than the space it supposedly "wastes". Of course, I respect that other users may not find it useful, and I'm OK with it being optional as it was in Opera 12.x. But yes, many of us want to invest space in a classic menubar, and the reasons are above.
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winston12155 last edited by
In the older versions of Opera, the Preferences form part of the menu.
But with the newer ones the Menu Bar is dispensed with.
Clicking on the Big O at the left, top corner will show a drop-down list of items including the "settings" but preferences is missing.
It is only through the preferences that I can set the font sizes as well as other customisation of Opera.
So, without this facility, how am I going to do it?
Thank you.
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elrice last edited by
Originally posted by Winston12155:
In the older versions of Opera, the Preferences form part of the menu.
But with the newer ones the Menu Bar is dispensed with.
Clicking on the Big O at the left, top corner will show a drop-down list of items including the "settings" but preferences is missing.
It is only through the preferences that I can set the font sizes as well as other customisation of Opera.
So, without this facility, how am I going to do it?
Thank you.
Regards,Setting IS the preferences. In v16 preferences are minimal but v17 sees a fair bit more added and v18 which should hit the dev channel in a matter of day should restore that even further
Until then you can run v12 in tandem with the newer versions until it has all the features you need returned
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by Al-Khwarizmi:
This alone is a reason why, for me, the classic menu bar is worth much more than the space it supposedly "wastes".
The position of the menu bar is not the problem, but its organisation. The fact that the organisation is different if the menu bar is enabled in old Opera than when it is disabled is really bad design. All we really need is the option to edit the menu.
Originally posted by Winston12155:
Clicking on the Big O at the left, top corner will show a drop-down list of items including the "settings" but preferences is missing.
This is also the case in the old Opera when the menu bar is disabled. This change from "Preferences" to "Settings" was made for the convenience of users of other browsers, not for Opera users. “You can please some of the people ... ” All we really need is the option to edit the menu.
Other customisation options may return in the New Opera later.
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stng last edited by
The Big "O" button is also almost pointless waste of space on tabs bar.
At least, Opera 12(or lower) offers the ability to hide it and replace it with a custom toolbar/panel button, mouse gesture, keyboard shortcut or context menu's item. Chropera15+ can't offer any alternative to get rid off this element. -
djuganight last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
I am not sure why anyone needs to waste space with a menu bar.
Originally posted by Pesala:
Wasting space with a menu toolbar doesn't make it any faster.
Sad sentences....
+6billion people in the world and you are the right one. Correct? Menu bar its a waste of time and we should all think and be like you, right?
Next time remember that not all are like you nor have the same needs. Respect!
What is a waste of time for you its not for other and vice-versa.Now, I do find that the lack of menu bar is a big downside.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by djuganight:
Menu bar its a waste of time
That's what not I said — it's a waste of space. It doesn't waste any time, but it doesn't save any either. There has been no menu bar on top by default in Opera for many years.
As long as the menu bar is organised correctly, and doesn't change when moved from displayed at the top to hidden at the side, then it won't take any longer to access the menu items. You may like to have the menu bar at the top, but you're in the minority. An option would be good, but it's not available yet, and clearly not important for most users who would never use it.
Originally posted by djuganight:
Were the hell are the favourites?
How about not wasting our time by searching the forum before posting?
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mochikun last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
As long as the menu bar is organised correctly, and doesn't change when moved from displayed at the top to hidden at the side, then it won't take any longer to access the menu items.
Only when you use the keyboard, not when you use the mouse!
You may like to have the menu bar at the top, but you're in the minority.
You really know where the majority of users like to have their menu bar? At least this thread gives a different impression.
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Deleted User last edited by
I'm quickly gaining the impression that Opera users are stuck in the 90's. Time to move into the new millennium, mochikun.
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winston12155 last edited by
Originally posted by elrice:
Originally posted by Winston12155:
In the older versions of Opera, the Preferences form part of the menu.
But with the newer ones the Menu Bar is dispensed with.
Clicking on the Big O at the left, top corner will show a drop-down list of items including the "settings" but preferences is missing.
It is only through the preferences that I can set the font sizes as well as other customisation of Opera.
So, without this facility, how am I going to do it?
Thank you.
Regards,Setting IS the preferences. In v16 preferences are minimal but v17 sees a fair bit more added and v18 which should hit the dev channel in a matter of day should restore that even further
Until then you can run v12 in tandem with the newer versions until it has all the features you need returned
So, the newer version is more regressive instead of progressive!!!
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djuganight last edited by
You don't know either correct? lololololololo
But you felt that you should say something although nothing that would help me or others....I already downgraded.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by djuganight:
You don't know either correct?
Incorrect. leushino does know, as any regulars here know, but you should have searched before posting. Posting Rule #1.
