They've ruined the bookmarks

  • There are so many things wrong with the new bookmark system.

    If you are using them as icons, they take up loads of space, so you can't see many on screen. Even if showing them in list format, they are still too spaced out and you don't get many on screen. A more compact format would be far better, both in the bookmarks window and the folder list.

    I can drag to reorder bookmarks within a folder. But I cannot reorder the folders in the main bookmarks.

    When this new version of Opera imported my old bookmarks, it put them in a folder called Imported Bookmarks. Why couldn't it just have put the folder structure at the 'root' level under My Folders? I had to recreate the folders and drag them in. For that matter, I was able to drag a frame around groups of bookmarks, but could only drag one at a time.

    When my bookmarks were imported, it didn't preserve the order they were in. Of course, that order was forced to be alphabetical under the old Opera, but I was used to it. Now they are all randomly arranged in every folder. Now I do appreciate being able to rearrange bookmarks into any order I want, but in order to get back the structure I'm used to I have to drag them all individually into place! This is infuriating! At least have buttons to sort them in various orders, like alphabetical or date created.

    The bookmarks take up the whole screen. A panel, like in the old Opera, lets you open multiple bookmarks without having to switch back each time.

    You can't now switch between bookmarks and other things like history, downloads, etc.

    The jump from the old Opera to the new one came as a surprise, a mostly unwelcome one. Opera, you should have implemented an improved version of the old bookmarks, not a new one that looks like it was designed for children.

  • Bookmarks are still a work in progress. They were only added a few versions ago as the dev team tried an experiment called 'the stash' which was an alternative to bookmarks. It wasn't popular with the bookmarks crowd so they scrapped it and started building a bookmarks system. As I said, its not quite up to speed yet. If you want to be better informed about all this stuff you might try reading the release notes of the different versions that have been released since Opera 12 or at the very least browse the forums a bit.

    A panel, like in the old Opera, lets you open multiple bookmarks without having to switch back each time.

    The sidebar is gone. Its not coming back.

  • I agree with some-random-user. The dreadful BM handling in the modern Opera versions has got me riled most after my reluctant transition from the Opera-12 generation. I don't need to sift through the forums to study the changes since Op12, the basic old bookmark logic was simple, and didactic.

    Everything about the new BM handling is clumsy and frustrating, from importing old BM's to generating new ones. Please get back on track with this.

  • I have enjoyed using OPERA as my browser for some time now. It is very difficult to believe that something that was so good can turn into something that so bad. Bookmarks, a basic of all Browsers, are now something so cumbersome I can’t believe anyone would actually take credit for designing it. If you are trying to put yourselves out of the running for a Browser to use you are quickly succeeding.

  • I have been using Opera for the last 8 or more years as my primary browser. I keep trying to upgrade to the new version, but need to keep the old version installed in order to do many things that are much more difficult in the new version. The new bookmark system is almost unusable. First, the giant squares need to be resizable. As it is now only the list view is usable if you have lots of bookmarks. The bookmark side panel needs to be much more configurable, including adding and deleting any content that is there, and much greater ability to organize it.

    The new Opera is not even close to configurable or easy to use as Opera 12.

  • I don't need to sift through the forums to study the changes since Op12,

    You really should. Opera has 2 prototype releases: Beta and the Development, which are version 27 and 28 as of this posting. They have changes in them that relate to the bookmarks system. Improvements are coming. That said, you aren't going to get them overnight and being irate about it in the support forums isn't doing anyone any good. At the very least read the suggestions box forum to see what others have already suggested. That way you aren't wasting your time making posts for changes that have already been suggested.

  • "The sidebar is gone. Its not coming back."

    Neither am I once Opera 12 stops functioning.

  • I've been using Opera as my default browser since you had to pay for it. Just had the unfortunate experience of installing the latest version. No email, no bookmarks, no File, Edit menu at the top. Is the idea that at some stage version 12.17 will stop functioning as larryaustin has suggested? If that is the case then it will be time to say "Au revoir"

  • ... Is the idea that at some stage version 12.17 will stop functioning as larryaustin has suggested? ...

    Opera has never indicated they'll do anything to make Opera 12 "stop functioning". They may, at some point not too far off, announce they will no longer issue security patches for it (as they have for the past 2 years), and they may even take more aggressive steps to notify users that their old versions are obsolete. But reality itself will eventually make Opera 12 "stop functioning" for various sites, either because the sites aggressively browser-sniff and block out obsolete browsers or because web standards and practices have been adopted by sites that no longer can work with such an aging, frozen-in-time browser. That said, I still (infrequently) use one non-Opera browser from the mid-1990's, and it indeed "works" with many sites - but only 'after a fashion': no JavaScript, no bookmarks, limited/incorrect graphics, etc.

  • Have been an opera user for years - wend back to version 12 because of bookmark problem

    Was going to ask if old bookmarks worked in the new version

    From what I see here they dont so looks like I a stuck with the old version or a move across to Firefox

    Shame

    pete

  • You can import your old bookmarks without problems. Click the Opera menu and got to 'More Tools' and then click 'Import bookmarks and settings'. From there it will detect which browsers you have installed and you can choose what things you would like to import from which browsers. It can also import from a file if thats how you have them saved.

  • It feels like the development team is so hungry they'll try to reinvent the wheel with every single task in the backlog. Please, just give us the same basic way of handling bookmarks like Chrome handles it.

  • It feels like the development team is so hungry they'll try to reinvent the wheel with every single task in the backlog. Please, just give us the same basic way of handling bookmarks like Chrome handles it.

    In which case, there would be no end of further complaints of Opera being a Chrome-clone. It seems Opera developers just can't win... if they try to create anew, they're "hungry" - if they try to copy, they're "cloners".

  • In which case I would go for something in the middle.

  • I wrote the post when I was still angry, having just discovered the new bookmark system. The first I knew of all this was when Opera told me there was a new update, which I downloaded - so Opera jumped from version 12 to 25. A hell of a change, and literally the first I knew about the engine change at all.

    I'm glad the programmers are still working on the bookmarks - there's clearly a lot to be done. More emphasis on usability, less on looking pretty, please.

    So the sidebar isn't coming back? That's... disappointing, to say the least.

  • In which case, there would be no end of further complaints of Opera being a Chrome-clone. It seems Opera developers just can't win... if they try to create anew, they're "hungry" - if they try to copy, they're "cloners".

    They can win. If they copied the features from Opera 12, instead of from Chrome, they would make the user base happy.

  • I can't seem to locate this on any forum but when I switched to a brand new computer, going from an XP machine
    to a Windows 7 64 bit machine, my Opera jumped from V12 to V26. The issue is that my bookmarks DID not move to
    the new W7 machine when the computer store set up the W7 machine. I still have the old XP computer and just copied the bookmark file but cannot see how to/where to insert or copy the file for Opera 26.

    Is it not possible to "manually" insert the old bookmark file into Opera 26?

  • In which case, there would be no end of further complaints of Opera being a Chrome-clone. It seems Opera developers just can't win... if they try to create anew, they're "hungry" - if they try to copy, they're "cloners".

    They can win. If they copied the features from Opera 12, instead of from Chrome, they would make the user base happy.

    I disagree. The devs would still lose. Features from one browser architecture can't be simply copied into a different browser architecture. Such features have to be designed all over again to support the new architecture, and the effort needed can be seriously heavy if the architectural differences mandate it. For example, if the single-process structure of Presto Opera led to a straighforward ability to add side panels that could easily interact with the browser engines, the multi-process structure of Blink Opera could lead to tremendous coding difficulty when trying to functionally access something elsewhere in the browser (and in other processes) using a side-panel. If the devs spent their design effort trying to replicate Presto Opera's features in Blink Opera, the browser would likely still be largely on the drawing board and appear even more Chrome-like in nature - and that would lead to even stronger complaints.

    Moreover, Opera appears to have decided at the outset to pursue a broader user market that they believed wasn't concerned with many of the Presto Opera features that appealed to the old user base. So no attempts were made to include many of those features in Blink Opera. As the Blink browser matures, the devs may have more time to devote to finding ways to include certain former features gradually, but when one realizes the many years it took to accumulate the Presto Opera feature and configurability set in that browser, it's likely to take quite some time for Blink Opera to evolve as well.

    I state all this as an observer, not necessarily an advocate of the decisions that were made.

  • You say Blink Opera is multi-process. Is that why when I open it loads of Opera processes appear in the Task Manager, the CPU usage shoots up and the PC gets slow?

  • You say Blink Opera is multi-process. Is that why when I open it loads of Opera processes appear in the Task Manager, the CPU usage shoots up and the PC gets slow?

    Yes, that's pretty much it, but on a modern multi-core computer with a decent amount of RAM there should not really be any significant slow down.

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