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Full url in Opera 17. Any chances?

  • Originally posted by serious:

    why not both? In Op12 I have the page security indicator (just smaller, but it still gives color indication) and the full url...

    Agreed, I fail to see how having some text to fill up the seemingly useless white void* distracts you from the big security indicator button. It's quite a bit clearer than the little lock in Firefox and it doesn't have anything to do with hiding either the protocol or the query string.

    * A void because addresses are rather small when they're brutally mutilated; white because of the hard-coded gray text.

  • Originally posted by serious:

    Originally posted by rafaelluik:

    Checking the page security more easily for example...

    why not both? In Op12 I have the page security indicator (just smaller, but it still gives color indication) and the full url... Also aren't users trained to ignore all SSL warnings anyhow? 😉

    If he doesn't see his objections aren't even objections, it's hopeless to object in return. It's systematic with him. I leave the poor dude alone.

  • I wonder, is it too hard having developer-friendly option "show full url". I used opera for more than 7 years. For me having url visible continuosly is extremely important, without any additional clicks and keypresses. I think you guys in opera should be more flexible, many people loved opera for its customization-friendly tools, now the only intention I've got is switching to FF.

  • BK assured me they're working on it, and the current color scheme legibility issues should also be taken care of at some point. Of course, it's all WIR.

  • I absolutely agree with Frienzie, Ersi, and Serious. The full request line and protocol must be visible in the address bar at all times.

    Right here at this forum, we can modify the web address to get, for example, many posts per single page to facilitate quick searching with Ctrl-F, and seeing the full address suggests us this possibility. (I am not recommending for anyone to try unreasonable values.) Navigate to a page at the forums to bring up all the parameters. Set page=1 and perscreen=500, and get a very long page of posts. The site might have implemented this functionality somewhere in the user's control panel, or it might not have. And we may not know where this control panel is. Or the site may only allow to show, say, 100 posts, and only after registration.

    Or how about we bring up an unly "web 2.0" example. Two YouTube videos that look very similar or exactly the same, which we must add to a playlist. The playlist is also showing on another tab. It may become very confusing if we do not see the identifier string. It is quite readable consiting of only printable characters. A proper website may even have words as the identifier/file name.

    When the person is offered less information, this only decreases their security, not the other way around.

    I am afraid there is a push for a dumbed down web such as this:

    Google, load for me the installation of Opera 12.
    The resource requested is unavailable due to reported security vulnerabilities.
    Google, please!!
    The resource you requested is not available. That is all we know.
    Google you suck.
    (The dumb terminal shuts itself down.)

    That is a very "human" interaction, suitable for a non-technical user. And this user will never learn "how" to "become" technical, because he does not see the possibility to grow beyond this human dialogue.

  • Screenshot of 1500 posts obtained by editing the URL bar. The page is 2 megabytes, fully scrollable and searchable. Can Disqus social media crap show that using a reasonable amount of memory!?

  • Originally posted by j7nj7n:

    Screenshot of 1500 posts obtained by editing the URL bar. The page is 2 megabytes, fully scrollable and searchable. Can Disqus social media crap show that using a reasonable amount of memory!?

    I like your sense of humor. :lol:

  • Here you can get another example where having the full URL would be more efficient. On new Dropbox accounts, the crappy poor man's webserver, the only way to link to a file is to generate a "sharing code" for it. When that is done throught the webpage, a new page opens with the URL:

    http://www.dropbox ....

    to get the direct link to the file, I must replace the "www" with "dl" or else I'll end up on a HTML page with buttons on it, instead of directly to the resource.

    When I do this, then select the entire URL and copy it, the http:// protocol does not reappear anymore, and must be retyped.

  • Preferences aside, I don't see why displaying full URL can't be an option. Saying that 'Most users won't understand it' or just insisting that it's just better for you even if you don't think so right now is a bit condescending to the user.

    Arguing why someone else doesn't need the full URL or why someone else shouldn't need it doesn't make any sense.

    Opera could make it hide by default but have an option for those who want to see the whole thing. Even if Opera feels strongly for some reason that a whole URL shouldn't be shown, they could state their reasons on the settings page but still offer the option to people if they want to otherwise.

  • It is ABSOLUTELY NEEDED to have an option for full address. Here's why:

    1) Not long ago there was a scam where a trojan would substitute a real bank page with a fake bank page which stole your account info (and money). The ONLY way to tell if it was a real bank page or not was that real bank page was using HTPPS, while fake page was using HTTP.
    But of course, as Opera developer wrote, HIDING http/htpps makes it SECURE. This is just precious. I mean come on guys, this is better than a comedy movie - hiding it helps thieves steal all my money, while Opera developer claims its secure. That BEGS for comedy award, people.

    2) My anti-banner filters only HTTP pages and not HTPPs. And being on a page, I would like to see right away whether my anti-banner filters it or not.

  • Originally posted by blackcoder:

    http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/11/19-developer-update/#comment-1108778790

    Even moderate ad filters make Disqus unreadable. When pointing there, it's a good idea to also quote what you are pointing to

    James•24 days ago
    Still no "Show full URL" option... 😞

    BKMod> James•24 days ago
    Will be added as DNA-8944. It's in the to-be-done list now.

    Eew, what format. Maybe not such a good idea to quote from there after all...

  • Most annoyingly, Disqus hides further comments in the thread without any indication. They show up only if you click "show more comments" at the very bottom.

    Frenzie > BK • 2 days ago
    Any plans to (optionally) enable something more than just basic full URL display, or is there a relevant extension API that can do something vaguely along these lines?

    BK Mod > Frenzie • a day ago
    Rather not, at least not soon.

  • 🙂
    Thank you guys for the good laugh!

    They must be smoking something really strong all these days.

    First they got rid of proper Opera, now they try their best to make an already unusable chopera even more useless...

  • There is no chopera. You must be in the wrong forum. :troll:

  • Originally posted by opera1215b1748:

    🙂
    ...now they try their best to make an already unusable chopera even more useless...

    Be aware there is no such thing like 'chopera'.
    Some of us are calling the new browser Chropera. It's the combination of the two words: Chrome and Opera.

  • Originally posted by Krake:

    Chropera. It's the combination of the two words: Chrome and Opera.

    Are you sure? Also, if you prefer keeping the big O, Opium could be the combination of Opera and Chromium. Of course that makes die hard fans (both!) of new Opera sad, so they will call you names (troll) or trying to correct you, when you just need to differentiate between Opera (Presto) and the new thing.

  • Originally posted by missingno:

    Also, if you prefer keeping the big O, Opium could be the combination of Opera and Chromium. Of course that makes die hard fans (both!) of new Opera sad, so they will call you names (troll) or trying to correct you, when you just need to differentiate between Opera (Presto) and the new thing.

    I don't like 'Opium'. It reminds me of a narcotic drug which overdosed can not only ruin your browsing experience but also your health whereas Chropera reminds me of the Trinity. Google the Holy Spirit, Chrome the Father and Opera the Son.

  • Opium has a Marxist undertone. Facebook is the opium of the masses, or something like that. Anyway, I too prefer Chropera.

  • Well, Chropera always reminds me of crap. But maybe it is the "crop era" where all features are cropped out.

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