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turn off the g*dd*m Smart Page!

  • Define "what I like".
    Right now the links are about things with no
    conceivable relation to any interest of mine:
    Julia Roberts, the Olympics, and
    developer discussion pages at Wikipedia
    where people discuss code and internal
    functions for the Wikpedia site itself.
    Anyway the privacy invasion is mind-boggling.
    At one time Opera didn't seem to gather user
    data without permission but apparently those
    days are over.
    ____________________________________
    That's right! It BULLSHIRT! People know what they like & how to find it.. It's an intrusion. If you guys spent more time repairing all the real issues & less time deciding what we like, and the condescending attitude of "we'll miss you" (if you turn it off. Yeah, right! What will you miss?... Data that isn't your business or even asked for by us or the courtesy to ask for permission. Hdrrrmmmffff!

  • Jeez. I got a blank page again when I tried to post above & then about 6 "forbidden" errors when I continued to try to post & then finally it posted about 4 repeats. I'm going somewhere else where I can do stuff w/o this constant mess ups & hassles & staff that could care less for the most part is what is projected. It's goin downhill

  • I'm not quite as doom and gloom... I really sincerely DO want to resume using Opera Mini on my droid, but this has really turned me off to it. I feel like the smart page is invasive and awkward - for example, I've been looking up a particular style of shoes for a birthday gift for my sister, then later today I decide to show her something online on my phone... cue awkwardness abound when I bring up Opera Mini and sitting right there plain as day on my "smart page" are gobs of ads for that same kind of shoe... way to go, so subtle.

    I shouldn't have to turn it off every time I start the app up. Either make it (properly) optional or not, but I don't feel it's good design to break an entire app in order to discourage people from turning off a feature. (Then again, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.")

  • I guess I'm the only one for whom the broken function started working again yesterday..

    *correction
    I was wrong. I usually don't exit the app but I tried to & back on again & boom... Blank page.

    Plus I got a black blank page for opera mini today. It's about the 10th to 15th time overall. And then nothing function & have to force close to get it back again. It's the only app I have ever had to force close. What's THAT tell you? (and I have a lot of apps).

    And I still need ANSWERS... as to how to not lose all data when signing in to link. How stupid is THAT? 2 choices: no link/sync or lose all data (bscause it says somebody else is using the account. DUH..

  • Originally posted by petrichorical:

    I shouldn't have to turn it off every time I start the app up. Either make it (properly) optional or not, but I don't feel it's good design to break an entire app in order to discourage people from turning off a feature. (Then again, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.")

    “When people think of using
    social networks on the go, they
    often imagine a smartphone with
    the latest apps installed. At
    Opera, we know that’s not the
    way a majority of mobile phone
    owners access their social
    networks,” says Lars Boilesen,
    CEO, Opera Software. “That’s
    why we’ve made ‘ordinary’
    phones smarter, by making it
    easier to use the most popular
    social networks right in the first
    screen of Opera Mini for feature
    phones. Just because you’re on a
    more basic phone, doesn’t mean
    you can’t be a active social
    networker.”
    Opera Mini line-up with smart page for featured and smartphone devices ain't that bad and anyway if that define 'stupidity' then can be easily ignored.

  • I swear.. it seems like you & the other opera help guy, don't seem to get the premise that it's NOT so much that the apparent vast majority don't seem to like "home page", as the fact THAT IT DON'T WORK!! It used to work (the toggle) but it stopped working & now throws a blank page (if you switch off & exit/enter), rendering mini useless, unless you turn it back on & before, if it was on & you chose speedial tab, it would stay that way, but now everytime you pull up mini it defaults back to "dumb.. I mean smart.. I mean home page"...

    This poster explained it so well above. I wish I had his ability to exactly cover all the bases & do it w/so few words, or so eloquently. Dirgas, I just can't see your explanation as appropriate to this case at all. ITS DEFINITELY AN INTRUSION! and IT DEFINITELY IS CURRENTLY MALFUNCTIONING (the toggle to allow to be turned off) & SO FAR, WITH SEVERAL WELL EXPLAINED COMPLAINTS on different threads, NO HELPERS SOUND AS THOUGH THEY UNDERSTAND, because they're explaining WHY it's there & why it's SO GOOD & all, BUT NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT CAN NO LONGER BE TURNED OFF!

    sorry, I'll try switching to decaf; (

    *by the way, I love the quote "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." (now if I could only get my brain fully wrapped around it's true meaning. Wonderin if I been malicious or just stupid. LOL (however, at this point I think they're doing it on purpose..)

  • 'intrusion' doesn't have a meaning in this context, smart page is not a build-in feature instead is more like a startup page. Right after installation starting with EULA accept button the user must have the ability (and it has for j2me platform) to kill refresh process forcing fast exit and so at next startup the page will be blank and doesn't have firsttime activation. As a request that frontpage shouldn't be automatically reloaded at first startup because EULA can state that I'm using this software as it is but it needs an user action to do that - like first link which automatically can trigger 'odp:showuptodate' url - and of course home page disabling button. Perhaps is not a known fact that once it was loaded that home page can be disabled but (django script?) always will run in background since at any startup will send data from the client regarding latest cached pages from previous data sessions (even that I'm not connected with the same host). Source: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/http/sessions/ or related. In short: we want Django chained again, right? 🙂

  • Originally posted by dirgas:

    Opera Mini line-up with smart page for featured and smartphone devices ain't that bad and anyway if that define 'stupidity' then can be easily ignored.

    Not sure if I'm interpreting your statement properly so please forgive me. I know this isn't a horrible, world-ending application issue. It's not like the app is unstable or crashing regularly. But it is difficult to ignore and interferes with usability in a big way for me. Either I'm a huge idiot, or something's wrong when an update has me thinking my app is infected with a virus or frozen at first pass (or perhaps it's a little bit of both).

    I get their reasoning for adding it - really, I work in a marketing department, I totally understand that sometimes the marketing team's aspirations don't always line up with what the developers or programmers might want, and sometimes it doesn't always score a home-run with consumers either. Heck, do I even have a "right" to complain, seeing as how I am not paying a penny to use this application in the first place?

    I just want to know how to properly turn it off without breaking the application. Until I figure that out, I'll continue using Firefox and leave Opera Mini alone and unloved.

  • Originally posted by dirgas:

    'intrusion' doesn't have a meaning in this context, smart page is not a build-in feature instead is more like a startup page. Right after installation starting with EULA accept button the user must have the ability (and it has for j2me platform) to kill refresh process forcing fast exit and so at next startup the page will be blank and doesn't have firsttime activation. As a request that frontpage shouldn't be automatically reloaded at first startup because EULA can state that I'm using this software as it is but it needs an user action to do that - like first link which automatically can trigger 'odp:showuptodate' url - and of course home page disabling button. Perhaps is not a known fact that once it was loaded that home page can be disabled but (django script?) always will run in background since at any startup will send data from the client regarding latest cached pages from previous data sessions (even that I'm not connected with the same host). Source: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/http/sessions/ or related. In short: we want Django chained again, right? 🙂

    Oh boy...
    I thought I would check in & see how things are working today. Geeez, been struggling & fighting w/mini for 1/2 hr & ready to give up & leave. I cannot even keep up w/the problems or remember them all..

    Some of this ought to be on a different thread but I'm having such a hard time using & haven't even been able to compose a reply til now, so I'm throwing out here what I'm experiencing, while I can (if it posts)

    I had 3 mini crashes in approx 24 hrs, which required force stops. But then add 1 more, as soon as I opened mini after the 3rd crash, it crashed immed upon opening the 4th time. (this is the 5th)

    That is unprecedented. I never had any of my many apps crash & require force close, since I owned this android phone (approx a yr). Mini is the only app to have crashed/force close & done so now, close to 15 times. Then, in past 24's or so, 4 times. Today it was unusable. So I was forced to see if it was usable via US browser. Mini opened right up in uc browser (actually, I went to the forum) & everything looked fine & operational. I noted there was a msg waiting for me from staff, regarding the link/sync issues & so I opened & tried quite a few times to reply to Margaretha, but I could not make a reply. I don't know what part of the combo of mini/uc browser/the mini mail system (or whatever part of mini the msg came from) /my text editor/my phone, is to blame, but some element weren't playing nice & it wouldn't hold its place of allow me to continue to type or even to get cursor placed at end of quote, was all but impossible, so I had to give up that as well.

    Then I tried opening mini normal way again & here I am. It's sure a lot of work. While I'm not sure if the reply compose issues are related to the original problems reported, clearly, mini crashed I operable black screen on me 4 times in near 24 hrs & immed after last "crash upon open", it opened & looked fine via uc browser.

    Font is too damn small in read & write, also (w/largest setting)

    Dirgas, I appreciate the time, effort & knowledge you have, and your replies, but I just cannot follow you. You get too technical & deep into it & assume ppl can understand. Those who are way more into the technical aspects may understand you but I only partly have a clue as to what your talking about & that then is mixed in w/a few grammatical/language issues, to make it even more difficult. I try to understand tho..

    I think its wrong stance for you to tell me & others that IT'S NOT AN INTRUSION, when quite a few ppl have now said they feel the intrusiveness. It is, esp when it no longer works to be able to turn it off & when it's somehow tracking ppl in order to provide the so-called personally tailored content, which ppl also are reporting the content to have nothing to do w/them.. And also intrusive because it wasn't there before & now it's forced in your face & now I've seen at least 2 reports of pornography or other inappropriate content. I post, that if you take this stance that it's not intrusive & a general pain in the butt, your gonna catch a whole lotta hell.

    The rest of your "explanation", I just can't understand, but the bottom line regardless of whatever your saying, is that the toggle ceased to work right around the 10th. I don't understand how the staff can't see it on their end, for over a week now. What the heck are they running over there?

    And it also sounds like you're saying something to the effect that the way the tab isn't holding either, is also the way it should be? Pardon, if you're not saying that. Fact o matter is, the tab for speedial held its place for a long time for me (and apparently others..) & now it does not, even when mini is left open (which I usually do) & again, if home pg is turned off & mini is switched off/on, result is blank useless page.

    Margaretha, I'm gonna try to reply if I can, but the link problem has been solved. Thankyou for responding. After I figured it out, the fix & the opinion that it's caused by a bug (when someone mistakenly/automatically uses upper case 1st letter on username), was reiterated from vargas & yeswap. There also seems to be a difference of opinion as to whether or not logging in w/the incorrect (should it even matter?) capital 1st letter in username will indeed result in what the pop-up warning dialog box says will happen, which is that if you continue to login w/that, you will lose all your data. Dirgas says it won't actually happen, but if that's the case, the dialog shouldn't tell ppl that.

  • Originally posted by dirgas:

    'intrusion' doesn't have a meaning in this context, smart page is not a build-in feature instead is more like a startup page. Right after installation starting with EULA accept button the user must have the ability (and it has for j2me platform) to kill refresh process forcing fast exit and so at next startup the page will be blank and doesn't have firsttime activation. As a request that frontpage shouldn't be automatically reloaded at first startup because EULA can state that I'm using this software as it is but it needs an user action to do that - like first link which automatically can trigger 'odp:showuptodate' url - and of course home page disabling button. Perhaps is not a known fact that once it was loaded that home page can be disabled but (django script?) always will run in background since at any startup will send data from the client regarding latest cached pages from previous data sessions (even that I'm not connected with the same host). Source: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/http/sessions/ or related. In short: we want Django chained again, right? 🙂

    Oh boy...
    I thought I would check in & see how things are working today. Geeez, been struggling & fighting w/mini for 1/2 hr & ready to give up & leave. I cannot even keep up w/the problems or remember them all..

    Some of this ought to be on a different thread but I'm having such a hard time using & haven't even been able to compose a reply til now, so I'm throwing out here what I'm experiencing, while I can (if it posts)

    I had 3 mini crashes in approx 24 hrs, which required force stops. But then add 1 more, as soon as I opened mini after the 3rd crash, it crashed immed upon opening the 4th time. (this is the 5th)

    That is unprecedented. I never had any of my many apps crash & require force close, since I owned this android phone (approx a yr). Mini is the only app to have crashed/force close & done so now, close to 15 times. Then, in past 24's or so, 4 times. Today it was unusable. So I was forced to see if it was usable via US browser. Mini opened right up in uc browser (actually, I went to the forum) & everything looked fine & operational. I noted there was a msg waiting for me from staff, regarding the link/sync issues & so I opened & tried quite a few times to reply to Margaretha, but I could not make a reply. I don't know what part of the combo of mini/uc browser/the mini mail system (or whatever part of mini the msg came from) /my text editor/my phone, is to blame, but some element weren't playing nice & it wouldn't hold its place of allow me to continue to type or even to get cursor placed at end of quote, was all but impossible, so I had to give up that as well.

    Then I tried opening mini normal way again & here I am. It's sure a lot of work. While I'm not sure if the reply compose issues are related to the original problems reported, clearly, mini crashed I operable black screen on me 4 times in near 24 hrs & immed after last "crash upon open", it opened & looked fine via uc browser.

    Font is too damn small in read & write, also (w/largest setting)

    Dirgas, I appreciate the time, effort & knowledge you have, and your replies, but I just cannot follow you. You get too technical & deep into it & assume ppl can understand. Those who are way more into the technical aspects may understand you but I only partly have a clue as to what your talking about & that then is mixed in w/a few grammatical/language issues, to make it even more difficult. I try to understand tho..

    I think its wrong stance for you to tell me & others that IT'S NOT AN INTRUSION, when quite a few ppl have now said they feel the intrusiveness. It is, esp when it no longer works to be able to turn it off & when it's somehow tracking ppl in order to provide the so-called personally tailored content, which ppl also are reporting the content to have nothing to do w/them.. And also intrusive because it wasn't there before & now it's forced in your face & now I've seen at least 2 reports of pornography or other inappropriate content. I post, that if you take this stance that it's not intrusive & a general pain in the butt, your gonna catch a whole lotta hell.

    The rest of your "explanation", I just can't understand, but the bottom line regardless of whatever your saying, is that the toggle ceased to work right around the 10th. I don't understand how the staff can't see it on their end, for over a week now. What the heck are they running over there?

    And it also sounds like you're saying something to the effect that the way the tab isn't holding either, is also the way it should be? Pardon, if you're not saying that. Fact o matter is, the tab for speedial held its place for a long time for me (and apparently others..) & now it does not, even when mini is left open (which I usually do) & again, if home pg is turned off & mini is switched off/on, result is blank useless page.

    Margaretha, I'm gonna try to reply if I can, but the link problem has been solved. Thankyou for responding. After I figured it out, the fix & the opinion that it's caused by a bug (when someone mistakenly/automatically uses upper case 1st letter on username), was reiterated from vargas & yeswap. There also seems to be a difference of opinion as to whether or not logging in w/the incorrect (should it even matter?) capital 1st letter in username will indeed result in what the pop-up warning dialog box says will happen, which is that if you continue to login w/that, you will lose all your data. Dirgas says it won't actually happen, but if that's the case, the dialog shouldn't tell ppl that.

    *note:
    Took 3 tries to post this (better than avg) incl 1 forbidden error)

  • Just wanted to say, I don't know if there was an update or something, but the speed dial page is back and all is right with the world. I'm really glad. I was not enjoying using Firefox, haha. :hat:

  • Originally posted by chrisu:

    We created the Smart Page on Opera Mini to give you an instant overview of what's happening in your world

    There already is something that gives you "an instant overview of what's happening in your world." It's called the internet. Perhaps you've heard of it?

  • Originally posted by Nowurtalkin:

    You'll MISS HIM? .... give me a break... and recently it's been reported that when the home pg is turned of & then mini off/on, the result is a blank white page, which renders mini unusable until you go back & are forced to turn it on again, so a dumb circle... but I don't see you replying to that? I... Being so nonchalant and/or staying behind the scenes most of the time & allowing people to lose all their data is inexcusable imho.

    YES, exactly. When you see what these moderators write you realize that these companies are just idiots piled on top of idiots: first they create ridiculously stupid products that infuriate people. Then they pay employees to compound the frustration with those repugnant, patronizing forum posts.

  • Somebody please just answer the question:

    How do you make it so THE ONLY THING YOU SEE WHEN YOU OPEN OPERA IS THE SPEED DIAL PAGE, AND NOTHING ELSE - and the page that Opera has started calling 'Home' - which is the one with the stupid suggestions - is COMPLETELY, PERMANENTLY GONE.

    On my phone, there are only two choices: (1) have a totally blank opening screen, with nothing whatsoever, or (2) Opera opens with the so-called 'Home' page displayed (the one with the suggestions), and the Speed Dial is on another tab.

    This is v 7.5.33361

  • Originally posted by planetrock:

    Somebody please just answer the question:

    How do you make it so THE ONLY THING YOU SEE WHEN YOU OPEN OPERA IS THE SPEED DIAL PAGE, AND NOTHING ELSE - and the page that Opera has started calling 'Home' - which is the one with the stupid suggestions - is COMPLETELY, PERMANENTLY GONE.

    I'm not sure how it happened, but yesterday (and days before as seen by my earlier posts) I was experiencing exactly the same thing you are describing.

    The "Home page" listed under Settings > Advanced is still switched off. Now when I press the "O" button on the bottom right-hand corner of the toolbar and select "Start Page," it actually works. And when I open the app itself, the speed dial Start Page is what I see, no more blank pages.

    Just to test, closing the app and reopening it again, everything is still good. When was the last time you restarted your phone? I'm by no means technical, but the only thing that's changed within the past few days for me is that I restarted my phone.

  • Well I just came back after awhile to see staff has acknowledged that it doesn't work anymore or fixed the problem. Looks like they're still batting 1000 on the BIG 0 as opposed the big O! Also looks like a couple of you have it working again so I did an exit & turned back on to a blank page again, no change, no fix, no acknowledgement, no help here on forum......only some guy who came on for a enuff posts to keep repeating that it is easy to shut it off (((DUH)))... and to tell ppl who feel it's an imposition, that they're wrong and I guess they are being told to change how they should think & feel. Isn't THAT S.. P.. E.. C.. I.. A.. L ?

    On the other hand, my home gas begun not show what I didn't see before, recent history of where I been hangin', which are also easy to see & easy links to that/my recent content, so not such a bad thing at all, plus to be fair & balanced, it's pretty easy to click tab anytime desiring to see or use speedials. So I can live w/it..... SINCE THEY NOW PROVIDE NO CHOICE! so to Opera I say: (careful jeff... watch it now...) yo! Fix it.. Shmix it.. Don't fix it... I don't give a rats petutti! It's YOUR KARMA BABY!

  • I love Mini but I HATE the home tab! Still want quick start page... I don't want my wife to automatically see what I've been looking at when she opens the browser.

  • Originally posted by howmeow:

    I love Mini but I HATE the home tab! Still want quick start page... I don't want my wife to automatically see what I've been looking at when she opens the browser.

    There is an option Menu/Settings/Advanced/Home page - setting it to Off disables the Home tab, leaving just speed dials. To get some more privacy you can also clear browsing history manually. Is it what you want? 🙂

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