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12.15 forces Google as search engine

  • The problem of setting StartPage as the default is still there for me with the 12.16 update. I'll use Ixquick till it's fixed.

  • If you want StartPage as default search engine, try this:

    1. If you haven't, create custom search from startpage.com
    2. Go to opera:config and type google in the quick find field
    3. Find the setting "Google TLD Default" and change it to statepage.com
    4. Find the setting "Google TLD URL" and change it to "https://startpage.com/do/search"
    5. Save the changed settings
    6. Open Preference dialogue, go to Search tab and set startpage search as default

    I deleted the native Google search, just to be sure. It may not be necessary.

    FYI
    http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=14451672 (DesertOutlaw's original method)

    Update
    😞 No. This doesn't work in the default profile (12.16 now). Strangely the same method does work in a -pd switch generated secondary profile, which was why I first reported it worked.

  • Originally posted by Krake:

    Originally posted by j7n:

    The problem is fixed for me. I had Google as the default, and setting another engine via the GUI as the default was preserved in the next session.

    Did you check with an engine that isn't shipped by Opera? Me think StartPage is one of those.

    I can confirm that it doesn't work with StartPage. I previously successfully set DuckDuckGo (which didn't work in 12.15). But StartPage cannot be set. :awww:
    Furthermore, my customized entry for google (verbatim, 100 results, no suggest) was moved down to keyword "o" and a default Google was created for "g". I absolutely cannot have this. :ninja:

    Who said one must always update to the latest version!? Google is taking over the world.

    Thank you for pointing me towards StartPage. I love it.

  • Unable to access the bugs already reported in JIRA to up-vote them, so I'm adding a comment here to let Opera know that one more user is upset by this strange bug. Even deleting Google from the search provider list doesn't help to prevent its return as the default provider each launch. This seems like a more difficult bug to create than to fix. Insane!

  • I will not use a browser that pushes only authorized search engines. When Opera 12.15 pulled their search engine stunt, I reverted back to Opera 12.14. I decided to wait and see what happens with the next version. Now I read that 12.16 hasn't corrected the problem. Bad move Opera! I'll hold out for a while, but I can't sit at 12.14 forever.

  • FYI, although DuckDuckGocan can be used as a search engine, it is simply an extension for Google Chrome and uses its own crawler (DuckDuckBot) to compile an index of the web. It also uses data it gets from more than 100 crowd-sourced sites, Yahoo! BOSS, embed.ly, WolframAlpha, EntireWeb and Bing, making it something of a hybrid metasearch engine—hybrid, because while it uses many data sources, it also does some post-processing of results to filter out parked pages used for nothing but ads and other types of non-useful content. So rather than simple blended results you get from most metasearch engines, DuckDuckGo tries to pull together the best it can find from multiple sources.

    If you go to
    https://duckduckgo.com/about

    you will see there is an add-on for Opera from
    https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/duckduckgo-for-opera-2/

    which adds a button to Opera searching since it is a tool-bar add-on and 3rd-party software. Therefore, it cannot be added to the list of search engines for selection as a default with Opera or any other recognized browser. However, it does work for searching.

    Sorry.

  • Originally posted by DesertOutlaw:

    Therefore, it cannot be added to the list of search engines for selection as a default with Opera

    I've got it in my list of context menu searches and it's one of Opera's default searches so it can be set to be the default. It's actually my default search.

  • Startpage is a "plugin" that can be added to the Opera browser available from
    https://www.startpage.com/eng/download-startpage-plugin.html

    The instructions for adding Startpage to the list of search engines is nearly identical as those for ixquick

    1. Type "opera:config" in the url window

    2. Type "google" in the quick find search

    3. Enter "https://www.startpage.com/" in the field for "Google2011 Location Provider" under "Geolocation"

    4. Enter "startpage.com" in the field for "Google TLD Default" under "User Prefs"

    5. Enter "https://startpage.com/do/search?language=english&cat=web&query=" in the field for "Google TLD URL" under ""User Prefs"

    6. Click Save

    7. Type "https://startpage.com/" in the url window

    8. In the search window to the right of the url window, where Google appears, click on the downward arrow to reveal "Manage Search Engines" and select by clicking that selection

    9. To remove Google, highlight Google and delete

    10. If startpage is not shown, click "Add...' otherwise highlight startpage and the Edit

    11. Make sure Startpage is in the field for the name

    12 Make sure "ix" is the keyword

    13. Click the Details button

    14. Enter "http://ixquick.com/do/met.asearch.pl" in the field for "Address"'

    15. Enter ""https://startpage/do/search?language=english&cat=web&query=" for the "Query string"

    16. Click the box before "Use POST" so a checkmark appears

    17. If desired as the default search engine, click the box before "Use as default search engine"

    18. If desired as the Speed Dial search engine, Click the box before "Use as Speed Dial search engine

    19. Click the "OK" button

    20 Make sure there is not a check in the box before "Enable search suggestions in the address field"

    21. Click the "OK" button

    22. Reboot Opera

    Using the above instructions work. However, just like any coding, just one error of a character or lack of the entire instructions may not add Startpage properly. Fortunately, in the event a mistake is made, Opera will still work. Therefore, just start over and try again.

    Hope this helps.

  • "I've got it in my list of context menu searches and it's one of Opera's default searches so it can be set to be the default. It's actually my default search."

    My apologies. I did not see it listed. I blame poor eyesight. LOL!

  • "I may be missing something. Otherwise, back to Opera 12.14."

    Hmmmmm. 1st thought is if you have any toolbars installed as they have a tendency to interfere with the functions of any browser, call home a lot and consume resources. When I work on a computer reported as responding slow and performing like molasses, the 1st thing I do is remove toolbars and give the browsers a good cleaning, followed by ensuring only one AVP is running. Then check to make certain the hard drive capacity has not exceeded 80%, remove crapware, run Malwarebytes, then ccleaner, and finally defrag, ONLY after the drive has been checked 1st which requires a reboot. Its been my experience that overall performance is greatly improved.

    Another thought is how tight Opera is being run; Are popups being blocked, is java permitted, are all cookies turned off?

    If a solution cannot be found, you can always place a link to the desired search engine on the bookmarks bar until a version is released that works.

    I know I continue to be informed about the latest release but I'm sticking with 12.15 until more of the bugs are removed.

  • Came across this and it's starting to make more sense. Check out Opera's Vision between May and now.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20130521203337/http://business.opera.com/company/vision
    http://business.opera.com/company/vision

    These two sections are no longer part of Opera's vision:
    • We believe in respect for our users
    • We believe in privacy (also mentions social responsibility)

    The new vision particularly highlights:
    • We create value through partnerships

    That you do Opera, much more revenue flows in when you want users to share their private data with giants.

  • (Ex) Opera user from 'ol 2001
    I was always sympathetic with Opera as company that did manage to dig their own space between unfair competitors (IE pre-installed, Firefox subsized by Google paying up $1 per installation, Google Chrome advertisement on Google HOMEPAGE etc...etc...).

    My last Opera was 12.14 for this exact reason: I never saw Opera company play dirty AGAINST their user... and that why I've always used it for about 10~11 years.

    It looks like Opera's fear to be unable to face next generation competition made them to sold-out the only resource they had in all these year : their user.

    the "Google trick" or "users sold-out" it's still here in 12.16.

    Don't worry Opera... Google won't pay that much anyway. The only thing they needed was another competitors out of the game... they paid for the searches you're trying to force users. But the real reason was alienate user from you... as for me, Google did succeed.

    Uninstalling Opera.
    Updating SRWare Iron.

    Goodbye

  • I've switched to StartPage since recently, which is a sort of proxy for Google, to speed up searching. Although I would very much like to register Opera usage with Google, if that is what is happening by calling client=opera&sourceid=opera using the built-in search. Are these requests being counted anywhere? Do I need to search often, or is it enough to make a few searches per a longer time period?

  • Originally posted by DesertOutlaw:

    "I may be missing something. Otherwise, back to Opera 12.14."

    Hmmmmm. 1st thought is if you have any toolbars installed as they have a tendency to interfere with the functions of any browser, call home a lot and consume resources. When I work on a computer reported as responding slow and performing like molasses, the 1st thing I do is remove toolbars and give the browsers a good cleaning, followed by ensuring only one AVP is running. Then check to make certain the hard drive capacity has not exceeded 80%, remove crapware, run Malwarebytes, then ccleaner, and finally defrag, ONLY after the drive has been checked 1st which requires a reboot. Its been my experience that overall performance is greatly improved.

    Did you miss the thread or what? This is not about bugs or slowing, it is about new feature. Google feature. Before, you could choose which search engines you want to use, and now you still can as long as Google is one of them. My PCs are clean and all run flawlessly, problem is same with all of them, no matter if Operas are synchronized or not. Latest try was to assign letter G to another search engine and putting it on speed dial, it reverted to Google and assigned letter R to new one.

    These two sections are no longer part of Opera's vision:
    • We believe in respect for our users
    • We believe in privacy (also mentions social responsibility)

    The new vision particularly highlights:
    • We create value through partnerships

    Thanks for showing us that, that explains a lot.

    @ylon 🆙 I came here to write something like your post, but I doubt it would be any different, except for next choice of browser. :cheers:

  • Perhaps I have a solution for you folks?

    Because I never had this bug neither in 12.15 nor in 12.16 I have a presumption what the reason is, why my search.ini isn´t affected by the bug.

    I modified my search.ini with this tool: SearchEdit. Long time before this bug appeared - actually to change the order in the context-menu. Maybe it damaged the file in that way, that Opera isn´t further able to change it arbitrary?

    So please try it an maybe you can give some feedback?

  • With this very helpfull HowTo I'm quite happy with Opera v12.16 and IxQuick.

    However, I still would like to have an official fix for the "search engine protection" bug.

  • Originally posted by stepanstas:

    These two sections are no longer part of Opera's vision:
    • We believe in respect for our users
    • We believe in privacy (also mentions social responsibility)

    The new vision particularly highlights:
    • We create value through partnerships

    this is the bottom line.

    clearly, there's no one left at Opera with such an outdated personal trait as conscience.
    it was thrown away together with mail client, bookmarks, notes, well, just about everything
    to keep it trendy, stripped-down and minimal.

    OK glass, GTFO...

  • Originally posted by captain-abstract:

    clearly, there's no one left at Opera with such an outdated personal trait as conscience.

    What a load of rubbish. You have had a free ride for years (as have I). The company has not charged you to use its suite has it? Opera has always been a niche player in the desktop division and frankly it needed to change in order to survive. It's a BUSINESS not a charity. They have to make money. Shareholders have invested and they expect returns. Do you understand that? Conscience indeed! If you don't like the new Opera, use a former version. If you are concerned about security issues (and you shouldn't be just yet) then use another browser. But don't post such rubbish as you have above. Frankly, I'm ashamed of you.

  • Originally posted by rilef:

    The "HowTo" breaks Google search and is unnecessary to make Ixquick the default search engine. So how can it be considered helpful?

    I do not notice any downsides as to how Opera v12.16b1860 behaves now.
    Both the StartPage and the IxQuick work just fine.

    Even with the "Google2011 Location Provider" field empty the Google Maps work for me. I do not use any other google stuff.

  • Leushino, no need to be ashamed for me, I bet you have other chores to take care of 🙂
    (and please don't behave like my attacks on Opera hurt you like if I were attacking you. I'm full of respect to you 🙂

    This situation is only partly about Opera.
    In wider scope, it's about the BUSINESS you defend, the shareholders doing things beyond ethical and berserking in every aspect of modern world.
    you can call the ongoing and artificially fueled wars around the world a business, can't you? Because it's one!

    I'm happy for you not having that claustrophobic feeling of watching the good things being squeezed out of existence as impeding the BUSINESS.

    It's not like if I don't like the way Opera headed, I'd settle with FF (for example) and it stays good and full of features, and rather evolves than regresses. The awful truth is that everything is headed that way, because the world is run by agre$$ive manager$, so the other day I might be thoroughly baffled of the brand new stripped down, modeled after its shareholders vision, version of FF or whatever other browser that be.

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