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Opera 15 is a DISASTER

  • Originally posted by LeoCG:

    It is just another "i am (almost) one month late, lost the timming of the discussion and didn't update myself about it but want to post my rant/mimimi about Opera 15."

    There were some of them since the end of July, beginning of August maybe because of the vacations.

    Opera 15 is just as much of a piece of shit now as it was back then, so why wouldn't you expect people to still hate it?

  • The basic thing here is that Opera have decided to become a different company with a different product that appeals to different people. That's a valid business decision. I for one think it is a wrong business decision, but time will tell.

    Opera was a niche product. It always was. But there is nothing wrong with niche products. It might be nice to dream of being the dominant mass market product, but it seems unlikely that Opera will be able to dislodge Google from their current hegemony. The only time a browser has done something like it was Firefox, and that was driven by a huge "anti-Microsoft" animus.

    So, the old Opera was feature rich. Nearly every fan had a different set of features that they use, and consider "essential" to their own workflow (or "playflow"). For me, one of those features is tabs on the sidebar. When I discovered that, it was a revelation and I cannot bear the thought of going back to tabs crammed into the top of the screen. But because "most" people don't use this, Opera have dropped it and I daresay it won't be back, not just to please a few thousands like me.

    But, other people had other "must have" features, and they too are lost. Everyone who appreciated Opera for the reason it was Opera has no reason to use the new product, which is entirely different.

    I was utterly appalled when I tried the new Opera to find how primitive it is; I had explored it all in less than five minutes, and even ignoring the ghastly huge Google search that can't be got rid of (I too use Bing mostly) it was clear that this was not the product for me.

    So really, I'm just sad at what has happened. No browser now offers the features I have come to rely on. Very disappointed.

  • Just change the name and the symbol. I never liked this 'flavour' of Opera. What about Oasis?

    Btw, no rocker navigation in 15? Thats a No-Go

  • leushino, it appears that you're the only one who "sees the whole picture".

    you should stop repeating the same things all the time.
    you should stop repeating the same things all the time.
    you should stop repeating the same things all the time; etc., etc....

  • Opera 16 & 17 are both crap too.

    You can hope that Opera developers will somehow get it right eventually.

    You might be waiting til' Opera v100 in that case.

  • Opera 16 & 17 are both crap too.

    You can hope that Opera developers will somehow get it right eventually.

    You might be waiting til' Opera v100 in that case.

  • To even think that you can push out a version so dumbed down and incomplete that it doesn't even have BOOKMARKS (never mind having no menus), is a grave mistake, because it makes people believe that it's not important and that Opera is just going to be a sub-brand of Chrome. I shudder just thinking about it.

    I'm going to say to you developers the same things I've suggested to Microsoft's devs: FIX THE DAMN CODE so that it works with most sites like Firefox does, BUT DON'T MESS WITH THE FEATURES AND UI!!!

    Wait a minute... Is it just me or doesn't it seem like Opera just hired the Windows 8 team that Microsoft recently fired?

    Hmmm!

  • Originally posted by 83bj60:

    Wait a minute... Is it just me or doesn't it seem like Opera just hired the Windows 8 team that Microsoft recently fired?

    Hmmm!

    It's just you. BTW... I like Windows 8. 🙂

  • Wow...I read that then I closed the tab and tried CTRL+Z to undo it. Guess what? That's missing! WTFFFFFFF Opera? You'd better have a fire under your ass to fix all this broken crap. Stash is stupid too. What in the world are you doing to this browser?

  • Definitely agree with the sentiment that this Opera should be spun off as another product. Bring back the old UI as "Opera" and if you want to play around with this abomination of source code, call it something else. Or open-source the old Opera so we have a fighting chance of keeping the real Opera alive.

  • Originally posted by michaelcrane:

    I just installed . .. and very quickly uninstalled 15!

    If that's the future of Opera then I'm off back to Firefox.

    I tried version 15 a few days ago and just about INSTANTLY uninstalled that crap thing! Sure am glad it didn't or I didn't install it over the top of my current version. Didn't wreck anything uninstalling version 15!

    With the amount of stuff that is missing, Opera will be up to version 45, before it's back to be good again! 😞

  • Just discovered that Opera Mobile v15 has appeared on my Android. No bookmarks. I haven't looked to see what else it's missing, and I'm not going to. It's slower than the previous version. It goes as soon as I can find a way to get back to the previous version of Opera Mobile. And if I can't do that, I'll use the browser that comes with Jelly Bean. Ugh.

  • Originally posted by chuckergreg:

    Definitely agree with the sentiment that this Opera should be spun off as another product. Bring back the old UI as "Opera" and if you want to play around with this abomination of source code, call it something else. Or open-source the old Opera so we have a fighting chance of keeping the real Opera alive.

    Here's the thing (from what I've read and been able to grasp): Opera is not going to "bring back" the Presto engine and in all probability will not be returning to a suite. Furthermore it is highly unlikely that Opera will release "that" code to the open source community so don't hold your breath. Opera has decided (probably based upon a meeting with its shareholders) that its perennial 3% user base is simply unacceptable any longer. So, it's in the process of rewriting the entire browser from the ground up based upon Blink. The advantages are better compatibility with sites and a quicker rendering engine. The disadvantages are apparent as many essential features have been lost, at least initially. We all hope that many of these features (i.e. bookmarks) will be returned in a future update of v.15 and it appears that this will be the case. In the meantime, remain with Opera 12 which is still receiving security updates.

  • Originally posted by dfaw:

    I am almost ashamed now for being an advocate and turning so many people on to Opera.

    Same with me. It's such a shame to be forced to suddenly inform all friends to *avoid at all costs* the latest version.

    Originally posted by Rumpel23:

    It goes as soon as I can find a way to get back to the previous version of Opera Mobile.

    Old Mobile version is called Opera Mobile Classic. You can also download old versions here http://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/android/mobile/

    Originally posted by leushino:

    We all hope that many of these features (i.e. bookmarks) will be returned in a future update of v.15 and it appears that this will be the case. In the meantime, remain with Opera 12 which is still receiving security updates.

    This is sadly wishful thinking. Looking at the manner and pace the old features are reimplemented, it's already clear that there's no reimplementation of the old features going on at all. Take for example the promise to "CTRL+Z" the bookmarks and the result now. No resemblance. The amazing feature set of Opera's bookmarks manager is gone. What's there now is an inconsistent afterthought, an extension with a buggy attempt at integration.

  • @ersi

    No need to tell that I'm one of those sceptical about the new Opera.
    However it seems that bookmarks will return in Opera 18+. I mean native bookmarks not QAB & Extensions.
    This is an official statemnt: "* Bookmarks - no need to explain here;)"

  • Thanks, Krake 🙂 even though we have not yet seen the full bookmarks manager reinstated. It's just another promise.

    If/When this feature will be off the list of demands, only hundred and some remain. Bookmarks still serve as an example what users have to go through and do in order to beat sense and usability into v.15+. And there will be features that won't return whatever we do, such as the email component.

    For now, I'm glad to be on Linux so I don't have to suffer the woes of hopes, promises, waiting and testing. I can enjoy the Opera version I have.

  • To call Opera 15 "Phantom of the Opera" would be insulting to phantoms. Calling it "Opium" is an insult to Opie. So, I suggest calling it Chrome-Magnon, since it has only just begun the incredibly long trek obviously required for this lowly beast to ever evolve into truly modern browser. Sadly, I predict the corporate EMP resulting in the dumping of presto for webkit/blink will come to be known as the Operatic period extinction event. 😟

  • Originally posted by ersi:

    For now, I'm glad to be on Linux so I don't have to suffer the woes of hopes, promises, waiting and testing. I can enjoy the Opera version I have.

    Same applies for Windows. Opera 12_x64 here on Win7_x64 😉

  • The disadvantages are apparent as many essential features have been lost, at least initially. We all hope that many of these features (i.e. bookmarks) will be returned in a future update of v.15 and it appears that this will be the case. In the meantime,

    Almost every feature have been lost.
    Bookmarks is a very basic(and not unique since it have been implemented in EVERY browser besides O15) function, so it's not decisive factor here.
    I am sure that the new Opera WILL NOT be restored as suite with a highly customizable UI and controls (which are on unmatched level), configurable browser's behavior, real skins support, etc.. Many Opera users won't tolerate this regardless of bookmarks. Because Opera leaving no alternative. New Opera is just an ordinary Chromium-browser + Opera brand + set of basic features.

    remain with Opera 12 which is still receiving security updates.

    ...and it's critical bugs (not security related) won't be be fixed.
    Also, WWW would reject the support of an obsolete Opera.

  • I hate to admit that Opera committed suicide. My default browser for so many years is no more. I have just tried v.16 hoping for a miracle that did not happen, It crashed when I tried to load the v.12 Bookmarks as suggested.
    Gave up... keeping v.12 as a memento only, sadly!

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