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Font is not optimal, can't be adjusted and other things about the visual presentationFeedback
The Aria AI addition is great. I use it more often than BingChat (and depend upon Opera as my browser, instead of Edge).
The problem being, the use of Aria is sub-optimal.
Part of this is stylistic. Whoever thought that Grey font on a white or light background was good, was thinking stylistically, not in terms of utilization. It might “look cool”, or be a style standard, but it’s not optimal for everyone. Some of us have a hard time with the low contrast provided by a shade of grey on a light background. The font color is “too”. Too little contrast. [Honestly, I am Guessing at the font color. I really can’t see it well enough, I’m just assuming that it’s a dark grey.]
Also, in spite of what any designer thinks, not everybody can see as well as they can. The font size in Aria doesn’t appear to be adjustable, and, for me at least, the size is “too”. Too small.
The standard “increase size” Control “+” doesn’t work. The only option I can see is, for users to Copy everything, leave the Opera browser, and paste it into another app. That’s not very user-friendly. And, I don’t think that all of the additional details transfer… do the numbers presented copy/paste into a text document? [ Sorry… just tried it. Yes, they do. I am thinking of another web-based AI response thing… they present the results with markup, but the markup isn’t copied, and when pasted, linefeeds and bullets/numbering disappear. ]
For usability in general - not the ADA / 508 Compliance, - just general “make this more flexible, more usable, more user-friendly”, the font size and style needs to be adjustable.
And, just in case Aria ever includes graphics, please include an option to include/exclude graphics with zooming the text. It won’t help everybody, but most of us - if we want to zoom the text, we don’t need embedded pictures blowing up and destroying our ability to see content / navigate through an answer.
And, please consider this for any web displayed materials associated with Opera and it’s products. Look at the “additional information” links in Aria. It’s in the History/Menu thing. Over there at the top-left. That’s right … now, look down to the bottom. Keep going. It’s below Feedback and FAQ. Can you read that? That’s worse that the regular Aria font, and it might even be larger! What about the regular Opera website? All of those "less important" blots of text.. they're grey, they're tiny, they're hard to read... If you need something to be off-set visually, please consider minor size change, or something that will still give good contrast - distinct, bold colors, or maybe italics, or high contrast against a SLIGHT background color, or a dark-enough background, but larger, high contrast font color… Anything, just so we can actually see what is on screen.
If this isn’t something that can be worked easily, then if there is a separate style sheet for Aria (or other side-bar items), let us know how we can get to it/adjust it.
Lastly… Can the ability to chain inputs be added, or can the input buffer be increased? I had a non-complex thing I wanted Aria to review and provide input on, and I had to try chopping it into three (plus) sections and inputting each one as a continuation of the last. Aria didn’t understand that, and wound up providing an incomplete answer based on the first section.
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RE: General Opera One Feedback TopicGeneral
The way that Bookmarking open tabs is done, is horrible.
Please come up with a much easier way to bookmark all open tabs in a window.
They are supposed to be Bookmarks, not SpeddDial groups.
Saving tabs as Speed Dial groups are not conducive to saving bookmarks.
When all tabs in a window get saved as items in a Speed Dial group, the group has no name. If you have multiple windows open with multiple tabs, you wind up with several un-named Speed Dial collections. This is not helpful.
Renaming a Speed Dial collection is slow.
The only way to get the collections from Speed Dial to Bookmarks is to open the bookmark bar and click-drag the collection down to bookmarks. Crossing any nested set of bookmarks that the mouse pointer usually results in the nested collection popping open, and the whole sidebar display accordions out, making dragging prone to errors.
When you have to repeat this 5 or 6 times, it is quite a pain.
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RE: asked the difference between Aria and other AI generative toolLounge
@lanshara In my sidebar, I have a ChatGPT plugin. I usually just use the OpenAI website when I need to use ChatGPT, even tho' the freebie version is v3.5, and does not have newer web results. I haven't checked the plugin to see if it is web enabled.
The other sidebar AI is ChatSonic. I think I tried it one, earlier after upgrading Opera to get Aria. I get enough strong use out of Aria, on desktop and on Android, that it has become my first choice when I need quick inputs.
BingChat through Edge will give you 30 iterations, but I rarely get that far before it gets snotty and sulks and refuses to answer me. When using Bing through Opera, it only offers 5 iterations. Because of it's adolescent temper tantrums, I use BingChat less and less.
I have recently tried Bard (from Opera). It LOOKS like it would go OK - but it's not very good. They upgraded it to let is see your GoogleWorkspaces, but it can't be trusted to tell you facts. It will make up things if you ask it about content in your workspaces or in your other Google apps. Bard regular web results aren't much better. I asked it some questions about some data systems, that it could pull from the web, and it hallucinated relationships between them that don't exist. It stated them very confidently - enough that I started to doubt what I knew, and I resorted to verifying with sources. Flat-out confidently wrong.
But, you can also add plugins/extensions to Opera - either through the Opera web extensions collection, or from the Chrome webstore.
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Reputation Points?Lounge
When I try to respond to posts, I get a temporary pop-up that I'm responding to ports too quickly, and I have to wait 120 seconds, until I get 3 reputation points...
Reputation Points?
Was iss?
How do we gain reputation points? If you ask my many (imaginary) arch-nemises, they'll tell you I am disreputable. But they're enemies, and you expect that from enemies. Even imaginary ones.
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Aria references limited to Google Search?Feedback
Please work on the UI for Aria as it works in the sidebar.
Is the search engine that Aria references limited to Google Search? When there are highlighted words in the response, hovering over them shows the start of a Google Search URL.
This is probably a late-process addition, and probably not stored in the Aria corpus. If this is just a link to jump into a search engine, let the user customize which search engine Arai provides the search links for. -
RE: asked the difference between Aria and other AI generative toolLounge
@xb70 Sorry to not be clear. If I access the BingChat from Edge, I get up to 30 steps in a conversation with the BingChat implementation. Your first input prompt is #1. BingChat replies, and you can provide a second input prompt, etc. If you get lucky, you get your answer before either a) you reach the 30th's prompt (cycle/iteration) or, b) BingChat refuses to conversate any more.
With any other browser I contact BingChat with, the number of interactions is limited to 5.
Five may be enough, but I have been taking pains to get complete answers from BingChat, so I approach prompting as a process. Getting good/complete answers in just five iterations has been a challenge.
Unfortunately, because of my browsing habits, Opera takes up a good 6-7 GB of my RAM, and I can't have both Edge and Opera running at once. I thought 16 GB would be enough, but with Word, Excel, Notepad++, EPIM, etc. also in memory... if Edge accidentally gets started, I'm in for a good 15 minute wait until I can get control of things and shut things down gracefully.
Nobody should insist on having hundreds of browser tabs open at once.
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Is "AskMe" an Opera product? (Update: Yes)Lounge
One of the AI newsletters mentioned "AskMe" as an AI search tool.
( askme.feednews.com )I tried it. I won't evaluate it here, but I am curious about the product.
The main page has little/no information on who is behind it, but...
You have to use an account to use the site (only Gmail and Discord) - there is no information on what information is shared to or from the signin account.
There is no "branding" on the page. There is no company name associated with the website There is a small "copyright" claim, referencing AskMe - but it is not a link to a company or provider.
If you sign in, your sign-in icon has the vertical dots for options. There is also a small footer at the bottom of the page with some generic links: Privacy, Terms, Security, Cookies Policy. If you click either the account options or the footer links, the user is taken to Opera pages for those topics. That makes it Look like this is an Opera product.Update:
I just went upstream. It Is an Opera product, they just don't claim it.
If you go to Feednews(dot)com, it's an Opera news feed service - it's just junk. It looks like it's click-bait-y headlines intended to trick users into reading "Dermatologist reveals gross reason some people get more mosquito bites than others".I'm sorry to say, feednews appears to be Junk, and that makes me think that "AskMe" is just as much Junk.
Is that why there is no Opera branding on the page?
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RE: [Suggestion]Open Aria AI on a new tab or windowFeedback
@elissongois I didn't know this was possible. I would like to do the same. Can you provide the link you use?
This may overcome some of the navigation / UI issues that we have experienced.
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RE: asked the difference between Aria and other AI generative toolLounge
@xb70 And don't give up... there are lots of options.
I haven't tried Claude yet, but I have seen some good reports (YT videos). I will get around to trying it shortly, I'm sure.And, don't pass up some good videos on approaches to better prompting techniques, find some prompting cheat sheets online, etc.
By trial and error, I wound up implementing some of the most common recommendations for better prompt results... and in watching some videos, I figured out how to chain prompts, and constrain the results to get better answers, etc.
But always remember... check their answers. The AI just mashes up data, and if it's not monitored, or instructed on how to check it's answers, you might just get some fabulous fairie tales that aren't quite... "accurate" in the real world. I assume they're just trying to please us, and they don't know they're fabricating data.
Latest posts made by Denizen976
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RE: General Opera One Feedback TopicGeneral
@thedoubletap First, thank you for documenting so well. Second, you're a brave person (Using Edge). Third...
I guess I don't really have a third, but I will echo - Opera needs some serious work.Let me tell you about my divorce because of Opera...
I am a bad browser. I will have many, many tabs open. Some will be in Tab Islands. Many of those will be there accidentally. Other, related tabs, will be off on their own, in shark infested waters, I guess.
I will wind up opening additional windows, thinking this will help me organize... i.e.,- email-related tabs wind up at one side of one window... but every link clicked on, winds up in that same window.
- Another window will have tabs to AI image generation, AI chats, AI news, and random links from those tabs.
- Another window will have social media things
- Another window will have other technical, programming, etc.
- Aaand another one will have electronics, etc.
I usually wind up with links spread sporadically across all of them... all windows will have some YT video, the Social Media one will have login tabs for banking or AI chat. The AI one will have tabs for "X", it's all just 'orible.
My memory is full. I mean, really full. Like, 10 pounds of manure in a 4 pound sack, full. 471 tabs across 5 windows? Oh... not counting the Private window.
And periodically, I try to at least inventory. I can't save a window's worth of tabs, like in any regular browser. No. I have to save a windows worth of tabs to a speed dial. That's it's own type of insanity.
"But that's OK, because you can just move speed dials to bookmarks!" Argh. That's total insanity.Although... I did (just) learn that I can open a bookmarks TAB, and, I can export the whole shebang to a file and edit it IN an external text editor, to get my bookmarks from the speed dial tabs.
Insanity.
So, I figure I'll try Workspaces again. Tried 'em before, didn't understand the concept, so, quit. Read a bit on it, "maybe workspaces can be used kind of like profiles!"
Spend hours (sob) setting up workspaces for the organization I was trying to get. I'm thinking, "Hey, I know it's not really documented WHY they are or WHAT they do, but somebody said this worked for them..."
I should have inventoried everything before I started - but I was brave - and besides, I was maybe a hours away from Opera expiring on it's own and being so full of tabs that it takes 20 minutes to reopen.
Set up 5 general workspaces, to generally match what should have been organized in the windows, but hey, I'm not that good.
Spend hours weeding through and sending tab islands to the proper window, and assigning to specific workspaces. Hey, I'm beginning to like the idea!
Wow, got all Social stuff with all email stuff with ... basically, any signin not otherwise aligned.
Got all my AI stuff declared to the AI workspace and in the same window.
Etc., etc.
I'm keeping an eye on my memory... it's inching higher still... the Opera windows freeze for a few seconds in between operations... the outlines haunting me like ghosts. Reproachful ghosts.
Okay, time for the big experiment. Close two windows... memory comes down. Close the media/email one... memory goes down. Close the tech/battery/whatever window. Only AI left open. Cool!
If Workspaces work the way described, I should be able to shut Opera down, bring it back up, and go to any workspace, retrieve all the tabs saved to that workspace, in the last state, log-ins and all, and be merrily on my way using oh... 30% of the memory I was?
Open Opera. Ok. AI tabs. Now. Open a fresh window, and Click another workspace.
Nothing.
Nothing?
nothing!?
A different workspace. A couple of tabs. Correct topics, but only 5 or 7 out of the 60 or so that were assigned to that workspace?!
A different workspace. Nothing.I'm not against grown men showing emotion. I cry when dogs die. I shed a tear for friends who have passed. I sniffle over how much I love my kids.
Opera has caused a grown man to break down in sobs of agony, writhing on the floor, kicking the computer desk, over turning the chair, causing his wife to come running to see what happened.... all she sees is a grown man weeping openly, tearing out great handfuls of his hair.
"Who died?! What great tragedy has befallen us?!!" She's starting to get frantic, tearing up, expecting the worst, ready to rend her garments and join her husband in whatever fresh hell has been visited upon our family! "What is it, husband mine?"
"Opera," I manage to whisper, croaking out the cause of my pain, through cracked lips. "It's... Opera."
She's confused. She's wondering if it's a tragic opera I'm comparing life to.
She is wondering if we're broke, destitute, penniless, if we'll be cast out into the snow next month (We're in May, in the 35th degree latitudes... it'll be hot soon).
"My browser crapped out, I lost all my hard-won tabs. It's gone. It's all gone." (For me, "crapped out" is pretty strong language, in front of my wife.)
She knows beans about my computer. Or my browser. And I should probably delete my history, but anyway.
"What?" She's still concerned, but now she's concerned about if it would be considered justifiable homicide, and, if she can get the blood stains out, could she turn the room into a sewing room or something.
Okay... it turns out I didn't divorced. Only a broken arm and a couple bruises.
But I blame it all on Opera.
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RE: [Suggestion]Open Aria AI on a new tab or windowFeedback
@dutchharry Oooohhh... Ouch!
Devs, you're letting us down!You can do that. IF I remember, I can do that... but the 99.999% of the other Opera users? Shucks.
Then, again, probably only a few percent bother with Aria, and a percentage of those care about saving convos, and a percentage of those would understand how to do it, and well, only you, @DutchHarry, will repeatedly remember how and do it. -
RE: Aria disappearingAI tools: Sidebar, Prompts, AI tooltip
@leocg I finally got back to you:
Opera One(version: 106.0.4998.41)
Update stream:Stable
System:Windows 10 64-bit
Chromium version:120.0.6099.217There is an update to .52, but I don't know what's in the change log.
Opera just died and I restarted it, and it didn't apply the update, so when I shut down tonight, I'll do a force-update.And, it happens randomly - always starts with Aria, and at some point, it just disappears, whether I've used it or not.
The last time it disappeared, I discovered the "Aria Command Line" option in the window menu. I thought "maybe that will bring back the sidebar item..."
It totally tanked Opera! It would be funny, but I think I lost an email I was composing - although Gmail was supposed to be handling the draft backups. -
RE: Aria disappearingAI tools: Sidebar, Prompts, AI tooltip
@leocg Right.
But I turn it on, and make use of Aria, and use other tabs, and at some point, it gets turned off (not by me) and the sidebar option disappears.That's the thing... it disappears, and the option is off.
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Aria disappearingAI tools: Sidebar, Prompts, AI tooltip
Aria is disappearing randomly.
Checking settings, "Aria In the sidebar" is set to OFF.
Turning it back on, and restarting fixes the problem, and it's fine for a while, but eventually, it disappears again.
The sub-option for Aria remains set.
The two additional options I've set (ChatGPT and ChatSonic" remain set.
"Tixxer in the side bar" remains set. - Lounge
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RE: General Aria Feedback TopicFeedback
@youngkingz27 It could be the way that you're crafting your prompts. Some times you have to try re-wording what you're asking, to get better results.
I don't think that their design is good for overall usability. Graphically, it's difficult for some people, and the UI could use some better functionality.
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RE: General Aria Feedback TopicFeedback
@garysloop But I'll bet that it returns much better answers when you give it better prompts.
(On the phone at least) Try AIDungeon.
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RE: Hide address barSuggestions and feature requests
@rrsch I don't have a Mac, but on Windows Opera, there are two mechanisms that can give full screen effect.
One is "maximize window" [ square box, one of the symbols at the upper-righthand corner of the application], which retains all of the frame features, but just takes up the whole monitor for the main application window.
F11 (which I have only done accidentally, as I'm a clutter nerd) gets rid of everything but applicable scroll bars.
I don't know if Macs even have "F" keys... for us, it's a separate row of function keys above the regular number keys on the keyboard.
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RE: Hide address barSuggestions and feature requests
@rrsch I may not be on the right path, but, have you tried F11?
It's probably not the ultimate solution, but, for me it throws Opera into full screen mode, which also obliterates the frame elements, including URL bar, bookmarks, etc. I retain the scroll bar.
The tabs disappear, but if I use CTRL-Page Up / CTRL-Page Down, I can cycle across tabs adjacently.
F11 again returns from that mode.