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  • Did the Presto team got fired or what?

    Yes, they were fired after the change. They spent a lot of time trying to make Presto compatible with the internet insted of improvements, they had tp change to Blink to make a better a program and that had a price: miss some features.

  • No, the Presto team did not "get fired", at least as a group. Opera reorganized its design group around the chromium/Blink browser engine, so some Presto developers remained with Opera in new task assignments while some others left Opera for other jobs. This was all hashed out in Opera statements and forum discussions some 18 months ago... and this is not the time to resurrect old mis-understandings.

  • Tbh I missed the whole Opera forum and past discussion anyway.

    I installed my first opera some 10 years ago, turned auto-update on and had been happy untill I tried those 25 innovations.

    I switched from 12.17 to 24 a week agoo and... got disapointed.
    I switched mostly because of those youtube fonts wich got mad and messed up.
    The rest of imortant sites I visit works well still (hope).

    So it looks like I have to use two independent browsers nowadays and it's zzzz...

    The main question is why there isn't any significant feedback from the the suggestions topic at all?

  • The main question is why there isn't any significant feedback from the the suggestions topic at all?

    The answer is because most users are fine with the new Opera. Millions use the Blink browser and that number is growing. It is only a handful of disgruntled former Presto users that continually stir the waters of discontent, demanding this and that. New features ARE being added back into Opera and each version improves it.

  • Millions use the Blink browser and that number is growing.

    Have you got any credible statstics to show or just blablaing?

    Im rather curious how many ppl left Opera since 15.

  • Read this: http://www.zdnet.com/show-me-the-money-how-opera-started-thinking-about-the-bottom-line-and-what-that-did-to-its-software-7000026604/

    And do your own searching for numbers. I'm not going to do your leg work for you.

  • As a newcomer to Opera not sure what the above history is all about, all I can say it is the best browser I have ever used. So glad I switched.

  • @kernow1: welcome to the forums and to Opera. You're a breath of fresh air. :cheers:

  • @leushino

    Read this: http://www.zdnet.com/show-me-the-money-how-opera-started-thinking-about-the-bottom-line-and-what-that-did-to-its-software-7000026604/

    Good to read those wishes.

    Millions use the Blink browser and that number is growing.

    And do your own searching for numbers. I'm not going to do your leg work for you.

    I did and...

    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

    Eot.

  • I did and...
    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
    Eot.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Which means nothing, as it apparently includes usage stats for Presto Opera too. Which, according to this page are in decline, but Blink Opera's are on the increase. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!.

  • I wouldn't "loling" so much.
    Even if, it means that more ppl are leaving "Opera" than discovering its new features @ Blink at all.

    The sum does matter, considering fact so many ppl use the Presto still. The Presto engile won't be compatible with sites more and more, it doesn't matter those angry ppl will switch to Blink automatically.

    It should be sign for devs to apply those old features faster.

  • The problem remains that the new Opera lacks features which the users want. Many people simply stick with their browser because that is what they always used, including me. I liked old Opera and I want to see the new Opera re-implement the core Opera experience: depth of features and customization. I don't really care that much about the engine behind it as long as it allows me to do what I want to do how I want to do it.
    Now I look at Opera and I see that it allows me to do most basic things which I need to do but I don't think that is enough to gain new users and it will leave older users like me very sad. There are other browsers out there which do the exact same thing and most people will choose one of the others. Do you really think the average user will choose Opera? No, they use Chrome or Firefox or IE. Admittedly this is because most people don't spend any amount of time on researching what the different browsers offer, they just use the most popular or familiar one. But if we look at those people that matter for Opera, people who look at all the browsers and what they offer to decide which one to use, then what is there about Opera that would make people use Opera over Chrome? "It's not Google." is the only one I could think of. And Firefox? I don't really know.
    And if we take a look at those who chose to stay like me then we see that many of them are really only one or two steps away from switching because honestly we are only staying here because we liked old Opera and because new Opera is still okay as a browser, nothing out there which is so much better that I would switch. But take one or two broken things and those people are gone.
    While Opera is still not up to par with old Opera it also is lagging behind Chrome and every time I run into a feature that does not work in Opera I get a little bit more annoyed and a little bit closer to just switching to Chrome completely. Recent example: HTML5 video support on YouTube with regards to h.264 licensing and MSE for the DASH player.
    And I don't even know if Opera is aware of this or if they want or can do anything about it. If I were certain that they would solve it I would be able to endure it more easily but like this I might just one day say "Fuck it I don't know why I'm doing this to myself, there it nothing about Opera that I could not get elsewhere and plenty of things that I don't get from Opera at all." and then I'm gone.
    Opera has what kind of marketshare? Less than five percent?
    At some point the Opera team should stop for a minute and ask themselves "Why Opera instead of a different browser?". And I give you a hint: Some marketing buzzwords about speed and stuff is not the answer.
    Take a look at the website and how Opera advertises itself. Take a look at every other browser's advertisement. They spew the same buzzwords but people actually have heard about them. If you present people with a choice between different free products which are mostly the same they will always choose the one that they are more familiar with.
    Do something Opera team and please offer a reason why you should exist because currently I can't find anything but the hope that you might return to your former glory and that is declining with every single day of uncertainty and compatibility problems.

  • Presto was perennially below 3% so obviously the move to Blink was a positive one. All things in good time. It takes time to add in new and innovative features and the Opera team is doing just that. Be patient.

  • I'll chime in as a paid user of opera from WAAAAAYYYY back to version 3.0.

    Much like slin3, I could care less about the rendering engine. Opera was awesome because of the way it allowed you to control that rendering engine. A lot of other browsers did the "me too" style of innovation by copying what opera did, and in many cases looked innovative because they were exposing it to a larger, pre-existing user base.

    I'd really like to see feature set come back, but 12 is rotting and 25 STILL looks like chrome with less functional features than chrome. That is an incredibly losing position to be in. I can get closer to the opera user experience by not using opera anymore, and that's what I have reached the point of doing.

    I might check in now and again for old time's sake to see if the opera team has gotten back to implementing cool ideas rather than working on switching horses mid race, but right now opera is a choice between rotting opera, and a broken chrome skin.

  • Another annoyed user who didn't even need to create account here untill 12.17 was usable.
    Welocome in teh club! _o/

  • I might check in now and again for old time's sake to see if the opera team has gotten back to implementing cool ideas rather than working on switching horses mid race, but right now opera is a choice between rotting opera, and a broken chrome skin.

    We'll be sitting on pins and needles wondering if you'll check back in. However will Opera function, knowing that you're displeased? Oh my. But thanks so much for letting us all know how you feel. I can now get a good night's sleep. LOL

  • I've worked with computers for over forty years and I am tired of all the crap you have to deal with today. For example I used go to CBS Sports with Internet Explorer and watch videos and check game stats.etc. until my browser got bogged down with wigets, plugins, etc. for things I never use such as facebook and twitter. So I had to upgrade my machine and change browsers and ended up with Opera; which I discovered later was the best browser for streaming vids. Everything was fine until a couple of months ago when I got upgraded to Opera 25. I didn't notice at first and was attributing the cause to various websites, but things got slower and slower over the last month with stuttering in the vids and longer wait times here and there. I thought I might have a virus. Nope that wasn't it. Checked with my IP provider and tried various cures all to no avail. Seems I was stuck with my situation. Then just taking a chance I did a speedtest in IE. and low and behold everything was normal and now I knew the culprit was Opera itself. Unfortunately there is no one to actually talk to; so on my own I tried going back to 12. something and surprise, surprise speed seems normal. A huge amount of work, transferring all my speed dials and bookmarks. cross my fingers this works. What I would like to know and without some gobbleygook answer (plain english please) is why was I Downgraded to Opera 25 and what was it supposed to do for me??

  • LOL... very odd. First off, Opera Presto does NOT upgrade you to Opera 25 so you'd better try another approach. Secondly, for someone so versed in computers (40 years you say?) and so in love with Opera, isn't it a bit odd that you were unaware of Opera's having dropped support for Opera Presto a year and a half ago? Thirdly... how could you NOT notice the difference between the browsers? They're both distinctively different and yet you claim "at first I didn't notice the difference"? Sure you didn't. Next, things would not slow down. If anything, they would speed up since Opera 25 is much faster at rendering sites. Ha! And after your questionable tale of woe, you would have us believe that Opera 12 which you "went back to" (really?) is back to normal speed and all is well. Pray tell... how did you "transfer all your bookmarks and speed dials?" Inquiring minds would like to know. You know what I think? I seriously question your 40 years of computer experience and your knowledge of Opera. BUT... if you're back to Opera 12 and everything is peachy and sunshine... then be happy. :lol:

  • First off, I never said I was with Opera Presto. I don't know which version I got, when I originally downloaded Opera. I was happy that it worked well and that was that.
    Second when the upgrade to Opera exactly occurred I have no idea; except that it was approx. 2 mths. back. I get upgrades to programs all the time (Win7 practically every 2nd day) and what you and they call an upgrade, I would rather the term "new VERSION" was used. I didn't even know it was called Opera25 until I came on the forum. Nothing at the time notified me that a new version called Opera 25 was being installed. I think they were/are very remiss with that terminology and lack of openess. For example, I wouldn't tell someone on an XP machine that Win8 is just an upgrade; go ahead and install it. As far as speed up and slow down; again we're talking Apples and Oranges. Granted the new version might render faster, however my IP service provider and I would watch together how the signal transfers would stall and stop and start again (when using Opera as the main Browser) giving me a transfer rate sometimes as low as 2 mbps. This occurred on both on the MB's NI and using a separate Gigabit adapter. The transfer rate and ping were never steady. The readings would vary from test to test. Now if you have a way of correcting that in Opera 25; Im all ears.

    To transfer Bookmarks and Speed dials, simply open each, one at a time, copy the addresses from the address bar by right clicking your mouse, paste them one at a time into a notepad file/s and just reverse the process with your new browser.
    Currently, transfers are back to normal, but now that you mention it I do think rendering is slower; so I wouldn't call myself happy just yet.

  • Alright. Now I'm really confused. How long have you been using Opera? I assumed (wrongly so it would appear) that your history with the browser went back several years. Since it appears that this is not the case, my response to you above was entirely out of line and I apologize. When you say that you've gone "back to an earlier version", which might that be? Just go to Opera (in the upper left corner and click on the About Opera from the drop-down menu and it will give you the version number. I'm curious now which version you find better than 25 and why. Again... sorry for the misunderstanding.

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