Why did opera change to chrome engine?

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Hello All,

I am really unhappy with what opera has done by changing itself into everything like chrome. It really disappointed me from the very first time Opera tried to go into this chrome thing.

Ok. But now that you have made your decision to go for completely the chrome style. What we expect is at-least some time ahead in future will you make your new chromium opera browser same as your old opera? With all the advanced configurations, extended speed bar and all the very good things that I like in opera or are they gone forever. Is there any hope for us people stuck using (unfortunately degrading their browser versions to 12.16 Opera).

Seriously I don't care what the underlying logic or code is, end result is that the functionality should be maintained nothing else. Really I am left with no hope and I would really hate to switch to any other browser (that would be a compromise and never a decision).

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Originally posted by miniramleela:

What we expect is at-least some time ahead in future will you make your new chromium opera browser same as your old opera?



As said before, Opera Blink will not be a copy of the old Opera Presto; some features will return but many others won't.

And new different ones will be added to the new Opera.

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For us users, Opera Blink OR Opera Presto does not matter and does not make any difference either, what matters is functionality and we are more interested in it. The old opera and good features. I should not feel like its just another chrome being copied, its identity should remain as it is, opera should be looked upon as a different browser and not a mere copy of chrome. Opera had its identity before but its losing and that's the sad part of it these days.
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And Opera is not a clone of Chrome, not even visually.

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Originally posted by miniramleela:

For us users, Opera Blink OR Opera Presto does not matter and does not make any difference either

That may be true for you, but what matters to many users is that Opera works with their favourite sites, their bank, Facebook, YouTube, Twiter, DeviantArt, etc. None of those sites except YouTube, matter at all to me, but then I am not your average user.

Originally posted by miniramleela:

Would you like to get your old opera back?

I am still using it.

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Personally, I like Presto than WebKit.
At past as far I remember, during security audit. Opera (Presto engine) less have issue.
Now, if there is a scurity issue on WebKit (Chrome). Then automatically applied on Opera :)
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Originally posted by kesetrum:

Now, if there is a security issue on WebKit (Chrome). Then automatically applied on Opera :)

Not aways... Opera may implement parts of the Chromium framework differently.
As a matter of fact there are bugs in Opera that aren't present in Chrome and vice versa, so you can see there are differences already.

BTW Opera is using Blink not WebKit.
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whatever Opera using Chromium or Blink or not, so please get my "presto-Dragon-Fly interface" back.. LoL If possible :)
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Okay, call me stupid but WHAT are Opera Blink and Opera Presto?? Are they versions of Opera that were known by a number (like Opera 12) and a name? I've never heard of them.

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Originally posted by bjdobson:

Okay, call me stupid but WHAT are Opera Blink and Opera Presto?

Don't tempt me ;) Opera Blink
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The rendering engine is absolutely fine, and frankly better than the old one. Using Opera 12 is starting to get painful I run into more and more sites that just flat out tell me my browser is outdated, and if I spoof the user agent they rely don't work properly.

The absolute gutting of every single useful feature other than rendering web pages is what I don't like. Just upgraded this one to 18 and STILL not even basic stuff like bookmarks are back. Gaaah! Loosing - patience - fast.
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Originally posted by sherool:

not even basic stuff like bookmarks are back.

This complaint is getting beyond tiresome, please search before posting. Bookmarks have been available in the Quick Access Bar for several versions now. It is even called the Bookmarks Bar again in Opera 19. Lots of features are still missing, but some have returned. Custom search engines, draggable tabs, and themes to mention just a few.
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I miss the opportunity to move the tab bar to the bottom of the window. (I have two monitors, and usually have the browser in the upper monitor.)
I miss the opportunity to add buttons and functions to the address bar and to toolbars. (I frequently use some of the advanced functions of the browser.)
I miss the favourites/bookmarks, and I hate the speed dial and want to turn it of like you could on Presto. (I would rather have my new tabs completely empty.)
I miss being able to turn on the showing of the page size in the title bar.
I miss a real status bar.

Other than that, the Blink seems OK, though I should like someone to make a skinn in classical Win9x style.
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Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by sherool:

not even basic stuff like bookmarks are back.

This complaint is getting beyond tiresome, please search before posting. Bookmarks have been available in the Quick Access Bar for several versions now. It is even called the Bookmarks Bar again in Opera 19. Lots of features are still missing, but some have returned. Custom search engines, draggable tabs, and themes to mention just a few.



Rely? They sure are hiding it well then. I find absolutely no option anywhere to even display a quick access bar...

Ok found it. A hidden experimental feature apparently, but ok I'll concede that it's there if you know where to look. Not at all obvious for anyone who just open the thing up to check what is new, but some light at the end of the tunnel at least.

Anyone else who has just been "casually" looking at the new versions opera:flags is where you need to look for "advanced" stuff apparently.

[Edit:] It's still kinda useless though, yeah stuff you put on the quick access bar is there, but still can't access anything else. Would have to work around it by putting all bookmarks in a new folder and add it to the quick bar I guess (but no tools to do that in the new version, so will have to do it in 12X and re-import). Still boggles the mind that it's taking so long to get basic stuff like bookmarks to a usable level (yeah yeah I know they don't care about us old-fashioned people).

Importing as speed dial folders seem to be the best option so far, but still feels very clunky with large folders, search helps though, maybe possible to get used to it...
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Originally posted by sherool:

no tools to do that in the new version

Just Drag and Drop bookmarks and folders to move them around. Sort alphabetically to organise them.

Originally posted by MortenOSlash:

I hate the speed dial and want to turn it of like you could on Presto. (I would rather have my new tabs completely empty.

You can delete all of the speed dials if you want. The search engine can be removed in Opera 19.
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Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by sherool:

no tools to do that in the new version

Just Drag and Drop bookmarks and folders to move them around. Sort alphabetically to organise them.



Yeah I meant if I want to see stuff in the "root" bookmarks folder it doesn't show up.

I see there is an option to import stuff into the quick access bar, but I have not organized everything neatly into folders so adding a few hundred individual bookmarks straight onto the quick access bar and then drag each one around individually would be a major hassle (my fault for being disorganized though). Organizing it first in an older version and then just importing the folders seems like a workable solution though.

Guess I'll spend a bit of time and see what I can do with it.
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Originally posted by Pesala:


Originally posted by MortenOSlash:

I hate the speed dial and want to turn it of like you could on Presto. (I would rather have my new tabs completely empty.


You can delete all of the speed dials if you want.


I tried to do that, but still the box for adding speed dials remains, I am afraid.

Edit: ... and the Stash and Discover are still there too.

Originally posted by Pesala:


The search engine can be removed in Opera 19.


One more step to a truly empty tab. I will look forward to that.
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Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by bjdobson:

Okay, call me stupid but WHAT are Opera Blink and Opera Presto?

Don't tempt me ;) Opera Blink



Your constant UN-answers and putdowns are getting tiresome, Pesala.

I know how to Google. I wanted an answer from someone who USED them. Too bad you just can't seem to understand that.

BOOKMARKS: There is a way to use a Chrome tool to have a bookmarks bar but it's definitely NOT the same as having the old bookmarks bar and requires a LOT more work.

You are not the end all and be all, Pesala. Some of us DO NOT LIKE the new way bookmarks MUST be used and wish a more convenient, easy way to do it, especially when you have HUNDREDS of bookmarks, like a lot of us do.

Try to be constructive, Pesala, in your answers, please. That would be very helpful :)
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Originally posted by bjdobson:

Try to be constructive, Pesala, in your answers, please. That would be very helpful

My replies are always constructive, if rather irritating to lazy users. I did your work for you in finding info about Opera Blink, and showed you how to find information on the Web in the process. Your constant complaining on this forum is not helpful to anyone — in fact, it's really quite disruptive. When offered explanations, such as how to search with other search engines from the address bar, instead of complaining yet again and making snide comments elsewhere about dismissive remarks, acknowledge the help given, and use the tips provided for a while to see if they work for you. No one can tell you how to enable features that do not exist yet, so complaining at other users about it is only "biting the hand that feeds."

Originally posted by bjdobson:

There is a way to use a Chrome tool to have a bookmarks bar but it's definitely NOT the same as having the old bookmarks bar and requires a LOT more work.

The Quick Access Bar is almost identical to the old Bookmarks Bar, and even better in that it supports D&D.
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Originally posted by MortenOSlash:

I miss the opportunity to move the tab bar to the bottom of the window. (I have two monitors, and usually have the browser in the upper monitor.)
I miss the opportunity to add buttons and functions to the address bar and to toolbars. (I frequently use some of the advanced functions of the browser.)
I miss the favourites/bookmarks, and I hate the speed dial and want to turn it of like you could on Presto. (I would rather have my new tabs completely empty.)
I miss being able to turn on the showing of the page size in the title bar.
I miss a real status bar.

Other than that, the Blink seems OK, though I should like someone to make a skinn in classical Win9x style.



… and I miss the back button one could add (or replace with the existing back button) with a pulldown menu to go several steps back in one go. Practical for sites that often spins you forward a step or two when you follow a link. (I have not found any such on Opera 18)
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Originally posted by MortenOSlash:

… and I miss the back button one could add (or replace with the existing back button) with a pulldown menu to go several steps back in one go. Practical for sites that often spins you forward a step or two when you follow a link. (I have not found any such on Opera 18)



Me, too. I have several customized buttons I use ALL THE TIME that I really would miss if I were to go to Opera 18 or 19.
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Originally posted by MortenOSlash:

… and I miss the back button one could add (or replace with the existing back button) with a pulldown menu to go several steps back in one go. Practical for sites that often spins you forward a step or two when you follow a link. (I have not found any such on Opera 18)



Just keep the mouse button pressed down for about a second when clicking on the back button and said menu will appear.
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Originally posted by sherool:



Just keep the mouse button pressed down for about a second when clicking on the back button and said menu will appear.


Really?????

Awesome!!!!! Thank you!!!!!!
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Originally posted by sherool:

Originally posted by MortenOSlash:

… and I miss the back button one could add (or replace with the existing back button) with a pulldown menu to go several steps back in one go. Practical for sites that often spins you forward a step or two when you follow a link. (I have not found any such on Opera 18)



Just keep the mouse button pressed down for about a second when clicking on the back button and said menu will appear.



This is like Christmas Day and Easter Morning in one go! Simple way to avoid the frustrations! I like it! Thank you!
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I love presto
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Originally posted by wubo058:

I love presto




So Do I, as a html/css coder.
Right click, and disable certain script or covering header identification (mask as... Opera/IE/etc)...
I missed that feature on Presto.
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Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by sherool:

not even basic stuff like bookmarks are back.

This complaint is getting beyond tiresome, please search before posting. Bookmarks have been available in the Quick Access Bar for several versions now. It is even called the Bookmarks Bar again in Opera 19. Lots of features are still missing, but some have returned. Custom search engines, draggable tabs, and themes to mention just a few.


I am quite sure that a couple of months ago I could drag a speed dial entry up and drop it in my quick access bar on Opera 18, but now it does not seem to work? Is there something I have forgotten?
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Originally posted by Pesala:

The Quick Access Bar is almost identical to the old Bookmarks Bar, and even better in that it supports D&D.


is not the same :S To add a new folder, you need to add it at "root" level in the bar, then move it to where it belongs xD its frustrating and that should be done before you try to add the new bookmark. :S
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Originally posted by miniramleela:

I don't care what the underlying code is, end result is that the functionality should be maintained nothing else.


But we do care about the code or engine, and quite a lot too. One of old Opera’s strongest points is its security, since hackers consider its user base not worth their effort. But they're a lot keener to attack a widely used engine like Chromium and would have taken the trouble to learn it well too.

Getting back to the main topic of “Why did opera change to chrome engine?” my guess is that they weren't succeeding in gaining market share with the old Opera, while popular sites gradually stopped supporting it.

Indeed, site compatibility is for me its greatest weakness. If they could solve that, they'd have easily the best browser on the planet.

But my feeling about the new version is that if Opera users wanted Chrome, they'd be using Google’s Chrome, not Opera. Furthermore, this makes me apprehensive about new Opera’s potential for success.

At the same time, they seem to have stopped updating the old Opera, thus speeding its abandonment. Unfortunately for us hardcore Opera users, the sad end to another era is approaching.
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Originally posted by MortenOSlash:

I am quite sure that a couple of months ago I could drag a speed dial entry up and drop it in my quick access bar on Opera 18, but now it does not seem to work? Is there something I have forgotten?


Probably something in a development version that didn't make it to final.

Opera 20:

• Bookmarks bar – you can drag sites from speed dial and tabs

Originally posted by pojomx:

To add a new folder, you need to add it at "root" level in the bar

I am still trying to figure out how to add a folder to the Bookmarks bar in Opera 11.64. The only way seems to be via the Bookmarks panel. Whatever, this is trivial. Folders do not need to be added every day like bookmarks do.
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I just wanted to cry about Opera getting worse. I remember long time ago I switched to opera because of some firefox errors. Since then I have been using Opera. But for some time now I have been using Opera 12, because everything after that is terrible. No start bar? That is the best quick way how to access all the bookmarks I have. And start page? Yesterday tried to upgrade to opera 19 - I could get only 9 fast links in one window and had to scroll down for the others. And I have a 23" screen! In opera 12 I can aces all my 27 favorite pages in no time. Opera itself is forcing me to use different browsers more often than I would like to.
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Couldn't care less what the self-proclaimed "Opera experts" are saying.
Moving to Chrome is identical to the idiot who changed Coke flavour and almost put the company out of business. Beyond idiocy.
I dug out an old Opera and have used that.
If I wanted Chrome I'd use Torch. And I do. Opera not being Opera is cutting it's own throat
And the self-loving pomposity of the "experts" won't mask that
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Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by MortenOSlash:

I am quite sure that a couple of months ago I could drag a speed dial entry up and drop it in my quick access bar on Opera 18, but now it does not seem to work? Is there something I have forgotten?


Probably something in a development version that didn't make it to final.


I am fairly sure I never did use any dev version?!
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Originally posted by MortenOSlash:

I could drag a speed dial entry up and drop it in my quick access bar

Hi MortenOSlash, Go to address bar, type: "opera://flags/#speed-dial-native-dnd", and press "Enter" key, then select "Enabled" within the select box for this flag, restart the Opera, and here you go :-)
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Originally posted by l33t4opera:

Originally posted by MortenOSlash:

I could drag a speed dial entry up and drop it in my quick access bar

Hi MortenOSlash, Go to address bar, type: "opera://flags/#speed-dial-native-dnd", and press "Enter" key, then select "Enabled" within the select box for this flag, restart the Opera, and here you go :-)


Thank you! :-D

(They seem to hide the best features with the browser well these days.)
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Originally posted by bjdobson:

Okay, call me stupid but WHAT are Opera Blink and Opera Presto?? Are they versions of Opera that were known by a number (like Opera 12) and a name? I've never heard of them.


Seeing as no-one else answered your question:

Opera Presto is/was the old one that used the superior Presto rendering engine. Version numbers from 1.xx to 12.xx
Opera Blink is the new one that uses the inferior Blink engine and removed most customization. Version numbers are 15+
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Bookmarks have been available in the Quick Access Bar for several versions now. It is even called the Bookmarks Bar again in Opera 19. Lots of features are still missing, but some have returned. Custom search engines, draggable tabs, and themes to mention just a few. But I don't want a bar! Screw bars! Bars are for loosers! I want a button that could be put anywhere, like it was in 12.

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    I just need a secure (and save) small web-browser and mail-client for Linux and PPC-OS X. Can you explain, why it was so 'easy' and fast to get with Opera Presto and so difficult with Opera Blink? Is it possible that Opera Presto was 'more modern'? Opera Presto was able to display SVG-fonts, will Blink be able to do in this year? Is a version of Opera Mail for Linux available or planned?

    Is it maybe possible to buy Presto and its developers-environment? I mean not a license, I mean all rights and so on! (Don't worry about the price.)

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    Opera is doing all those bad and stupid decisions because they have already sold everything they could so now they are bound by those sale-contracts and can't do anything usefull anymore. Unless you're some billionare, you won't be able to set Opera back to the right way. This lazy and greedy world just can't tolerate smart and usefull things that are free.

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      Yep, opera has die!((( Chrome has borne.

      I use Opera browser from 6 version and I`m the operas fan. There is a lot of features useful for me. Now I stopped at 12.17, because new browser lost everything I used before.

      I don`t need another clone of Chrome.

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      I don't know what is all this compatibility people taking about why I should switch to the new browser. 12X opera works for 99.99 of all websites and even if it didn't they made it easy to open in another browser.

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      I love Opera 23. It's faster than Presto. The Speed Dial with folders is wonderful. The ability to use almost any Chrome extension is a really nice extra. I enjoy the Discover feature, as well as Stash. And I do find it easier to access sites with it. On the other hand, you can also, with extensions, open any site in the Opera 23 browser in another browser. Still, I think it's great that Opera Presto has a loyal following. Hats off to Opera for making them both available -- Opera Presto, and the new Opera.

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      Why Using Opera, while Google Chrome is built on the same platform? :) Bring my Presto back ..

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      Here you go ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/ it's still there, although it won't be getting any updates though.

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      @kesetrum

      Why Using Opera, while Google Chrome is built on the same platform? :)

      Opera and Chrome are different browsers with different feature sets. Using the same platform doesn't make different applications identical.

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