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opera is not what it used to be

  • Running a browser (Opera 12) with tons of built in functions forcing everyone to use them wasn't a great idea. Sure we liked it at the time but still. The new Opera sure is not as easy but it can achieve far more than the old one in every way.

  • Running a browser (Opera 12) with tons of built in functions forcing everyone to use them wasn't a great idea. Sure we liked it at the time but still. The new Opera sure is not as easy but it can achieve far more than the old one in every way.

    Forcing is not the right word. I was surprised when my friends tell me that they didnt even know about some features that old Opera have... for example mail, torrent, tab stacking, link, bookmarks, button customizations etc. The point is if you didnt want to use the features you didnt even know they are there... no forcing just free options and its always better to have more options. The new Opera is not that bad but there are lots of very annoying things like wired working features and lots of missing stuff or bad implemented stuff... download dialog, tab stacking, button customization, bookmark organization, missing mouse gestures... most of it its not hard to implement but it takes sooooooo long. 2 years is lots of time to implement at least some Opera standart features.

  • Running a browser (Opera 12) with tons of built in functions forcing everyone to use them wasn't a great idea. Sure we liked it at the time but still. The new Opera sure is not as easy but it can achieve far more than the old one in every way.

    What are the things that new opera can achieve more so than old opera?

  • Running a browser (Opera 12) with tons of built in functions forcing everyone to use them wasn't a great idea. Sure we liked it at the time but still. The new Opera sure is not as easy but it can achieve far more than the old one in every way.

    Forcing is not the right word. I was surprised when my friends tell me that they didnt even know about some features that old Opera have... for example mail, torrent, tab stacking, link, bookmarks, button customizations etc. The point is if you didnt want to use the features you didnt even know they are there... no forcing just free options and its always better to have more options. The new Opera is not that bad but there are lots of very annoying things like wired working features and lots of missing stuff or bad implemented stuff... download dialog, tab stacking, button customization, bookmark organization, missing mouse gestures... most of it its not hard to implement but it takes sooooooo long. 2 years is lots of time to implement at least some Opera standart features.

    It is forcing, these functions will be running weather you use them or not. The only way to avoid that was by using another browser. Yes It takes time to put things together again and it is a free software after all. There are tons of ways to bring something similar to what you use to, you just have to search and ask or wait 😃

  • 😢 It lags a lot now in compare to the old Opera i think its because of the update in the features and the user interface which has changed in time now i have 3 gb ram on DUalcore and it still lags after like 4 tabs are open this is the version Im using of Opera: http://www.filesmag.com/2015/04/opera-web-browser-free-download.html

  • Running a browser (Opera 12) with tons of built in functions forcing everyone to use them wasn't a great idea. Sure we liked it at the time but still. The new Opera sure is not as easy but it can achieve far more than the old one in every way.

    What are the things that new opera can achieve more so than old opera?

    Old Opera wasn't that stable (one little thing goes wrong the entire browser crashes), the way it updates itself was pain, many sites are not fully supported..

    What are the things that were so great about the old Opera?

    • Mail is the same just set shortcut to it.
    • Bookmarks are better this way and can be access just as quick (they built sidebar for you though).
    • Speed dial is much better now.
    • Inspecting and other tools are far better.
    • Right click the main bar to save you session as speed dial folder is just as good as sessions.

    The only thing I miss is the notes function, nothing came close to that one.

  • 😢 It lags a lot now in compare to the old Opera i think its because of the update in the features and the user interface which has changed in time now i have 3 gb ram on DUalcore and it still lags after like 4 tabs are open this is the version Im using of Opera: http://www.filesmag.com/2015/04/opera-web-browser-free-download.html

    That shouldn't be happening, for me compared to the old one now it is fast and super light.

    Try installing the beta version

  • The only reason you can't see noticeable differences between 12 and 28 is that you didn't use about the 90% of 12's features, this discussion is senseless XD

  • The only reason you can't see noticeable differences between 12 and 28 is that you didn't use about the 90% of 12's features, this discussion is senseless XD

    Oh I did, it appears that you're the one that didn't since you couldn't see the down side to it.

  • The only reason you can't see noticeable differences between 12 and 28 is that you didn't use about the 90% of 12's features, this discussion is senseless XD

    Oh I did, it appears that you're the one that didn't since you couldn't see the down side to it.

    RSS, IRC, an AMAZING password manager, customization, an actual mail client (no, the deprecated/dead software called Opera Mail is not), notes, contacts, Presto's RAM consumption, torrent client, the sidebar, dragonfly...

    And I might be missing some of them as I didn't used them for almost 2 years, but 28 IS miles away from 12 and that's a fact, so it's pointless to discuss it.

    Said that, the last releases seem to be improving a lot the new Opera

  • So what? You've said your piece. We've heard your opinion. You are beating a dead horse. Its not going back to the way it used to be. Deal with it. Move on. Get a hobby or something.

    Perhaps some people think if they say it many times, accuse the Opera team of not caring/going backwards, etc, blah, blah, etc, they might shame the team into resurrecting v12 (or at least its features). Just out of interest, I wouldn't like to think about the amount of money I've spent on paid for software that no longer exists - oh the bane of the computer age!

  • Mail is the same just set shortcut to it.
    Bookmarks are better this way and can be access just as quick (they built sidebar for you though).
    Speed dial is much better now.
    Inspecting and other tools are far better.
    Right click the main bar to save you session as speed dial folder is just as good as sessions.

    Is it joke?!

  • Mail is the same just set shortcut to it.
    Bookmarks are better this way and can be access just as quick (they built sidebar for you though).
    Speed dial is much better now.
    Inspecting and other tools are far better.
    Right click the main bar to save you session as speed dial folder is just as good as sessions.
    Is it joke?!

    Probably a joke... Maybe I dont get it but in my opinion bookmarks are just one big mess right now. No organization, forced folders, and not really easy acces. Speed dial is quite same but you cant set number of columbs or disable "+" button so not as good. Inspecion looks complicated for me.

  • No organization,

    And now you are just telling falsehoods. You've been shown how to organize bookmarks several times.

    not really easy acces

    Theres like 3 different ways you can get to bookmarks. 4 ways if you are using the developer release. You really need to turn off your selective hearing mate. I know thats the only way you can continue believing that the new Opera is as bad as you say but you really aren't doing anyone any favors with your constant complaining.

    Speed dial is quite same but you cant set number of columbs

    Of course you can set the number of columns. Where do you even come up with this stuff?

  • In fairness, the option is hidden until you show advanced settings.

    Since you brought up the developer release, let me point out that with the default-enabled experimental start page in developer 30.0, "big thumbnails" and the konami-code-accessible option to customize thumbnail sizes have vanished, leaving us with huge speed dial buttons.

  • I'm using Developer and they are still there for me.

  • Then you must have disabled opera://flags/#experimental-start-page?

  • Nope, its enabled by default and I haven't messed with it.

  • RSS, IRC, an AMAZING password manager, customization, an actual mail client (no, the deprecated/dead software called Opera Mail is not), notes, contacts, Presto's RAM consumption, torrent client, the sidebar, dragonfly...

    And I might be missing some of them as I didn't used them for almost 2 years, but 28 IS miles away from 12 and that's a fact, so it's pointless to discuss it.

    Said that, the last releases seem to be improving a lot the new Opera

    ...not to forget the COMPLETE synchronisation of ALL relevant stuff (bookmarks, bookmarks bar, typed history, Speed dial, Notes, Search engines, Content Blocker rules, Passwords).

    I mean I understand the point of view from people who have not actually been using the features mentioned above. Who might not have been WORKING with Opera.
    And I certainly don't want to oppose to anything new just because i am sooo comfortable with the old stuff.

    BUT as has been mentioned before there is a lot of functionality lost in the newer versions (i keep trying them out but still prefer my 12.17 Install) and I think it is my right to complain about that.

    I know Opera will not return to v12 and sooner or later when 12 (including Opera Link) is not supported anymore i will have to find a new Browser, but I am actually very sorry about that.

    Some remarks

    It took 18 years to make Opera 12 what it was. They've had 2 years to make the current Opera what it is.

    So was the enitire staff exchanged before v13 was build? Was there no Experience/Knowledge left from the developement of earlier versions? This reasoning is somewhat lame. If I had been working properly for 20 years and now I start to screw up things I cannot possibly tell my employer to just wait 20 years until everything will be alright again, can I?

    Every single time you post here its just to complain about stuff. Why bother? We can't change anything for you. You're just wasting your time.

    Protest (i.e. complaining) is a legitimate way to show you are dissatisfied with something. Following this reasoning above is like accepting the world's hunger/wars/injustice just because we cannot change it. (yes this is exaggeration)

    But I still hope that the OPERA descision makers will take note of the (still large) amount of users who are still reluctant to use the newer versions because they simply lack functionality.
    I cannot be so hard to re-implement some of the most wanted old features....

    Cheers, Cyb

  • @lando242:

    I did a fresh stand-alone installation of Opera developer 30.0.1820.0.

    Even after selecting both "show advanced settings" and "always show power user settings", neither "use big speed dial thumbnails" nor "speed dial thumbnail width" are available.

    They only return after disabling opera://flags/#experimental-start-page and restarting.

    Care to double-check?

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