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They've ruined the bookmarks

  • I've been using Opera as my default browser since you had to pay for it. Just had the unfortunate experience of installing the latest version. No email, no bookmarks, no File, Edit menu at the top. Is the idea that at some stage version 12.17 will stop functioning as larryaustin has suggested? If that is the case then it will be time to say "Au revoir"

  • ... Is the idea that at some stage version 12.17 will stop functioning as larryaustin has suggested? ...

    Opera has never indicated they'll do anything to make Opera 12 "stop functioning". They may, at some point not too far off, announce they will no longer issue security patches for it (as they have for the past 2 years), and they may even take more aggressive steps to notify users that their old versions are obsolete. But reality itself will eventually make Opera 12 "stop functioning" for various sites, either because the sites aggressively browser-sniff and block out obsolete browsers or because web standards and practices have been adopted by sites that no longer can work with such an aging, frozen-in-time browser. That said, I still (infrequently) use one non-Opera browser from the mid-1990's, and it indeed "works" with many sites - but only 'after a fashion': no JavaScript, no bookmarks, limited/incorrect graphics, etc.

  • Have been an opera user for years - wend back to version 12 because of bookmark problem

    Was going to ask if old bookmarks worked in the new version

    From what I see here they dont so looks like I a stuck with the old version or a move across to Firefox

    Shame

    pete

  • You can import your old bookmarks without problems. Click the Opera menu and got to 'More Tools' and then click 'Import bookmarks and settings'. From there it will detect which browsers you have installed and you can choose what things you would like to import from which browsers. It can also import from a file if thats how you have them saved.

  • It feels like the development team is so hungry they'll try to reinvent the wheel with every single task in the backlog. Please, just give us the same basic way of handling bookmarks like Chrome handles it.

  • It feels like the development team is so hungry they'll try to reinvent the wheel with every single task in the backlog. Please, just give us the same basic way of handling bookmarks like Chrome handles it.

    In which case, there would be no end of further complaints of Opera being a Chrome-clone. It seems Opera developers just can't win... if they try to create anew, they're "hungry" - if they try to copy, they're "cloners".

  • In which case I would go for something in the middle.

  • I wrote the post when I was still angry, having just discovered the new bookmark system. The first I knew of all this was when Opera told me there was a new update, which I downloaded - so Opera jumped from version 12 to 25. A hell of a change, and literally the first I knew about the engine change at all.

    I'm glad the programmers are still working on the bookmarks - there's clearly a lot to be done. More emphasis on usability, less on looking pretty, please.

    So the sidebar isn't coming back? That's... disappointing, to say the least.

  • In which case, there would be no end of further complaints of Opera being a Chrome-clone. It seems Opera developers just can't win... if they try to create anew, they're "hungry" - if they try to copy, they're "cloners".

    They can win. If they copied the features from Opera 12, instead of from Chrome, they would make the user base happy.

  • I can't seem to locate this on any forum but when I switched to a brand new computer, going from an XP machine
    to a Windows 7 64 bit machine, my Opera jumped from V12 to V26. The issue is that my bookmarks DID not move to
    the new W7 machine when the computer store set up the W7 machine. I still have the old XP computer and just copied the bookmark file but cannot see how to/where to insert or copy the file for Opera 26.

    Is it not possible to "manually" insert the old bookmark file into Opera 26?

  • In which case, there would be no end of further complaints of Opera being a Chrome-clone. It seems Opera developers just can't win... if they try to create anew, they're "hungry" - if they try to copy, they're "cloners".

    They can win. If they copied the features from Opera 12, instead of from Chrome, they would make the user base happy.

    I disagree. The devs would still lose. Features from one browser architecture can't be simply copied into a different browser architecture. Such features have to be designed all over again to support the new architecture, and the effort needed can be seriously heavy if the architectural differences mandate it. For example, if the single-process structure of Presto Opera led to a straighforward ability to add side panels that could easily interact with the browser engines, the multi-process structure of Blink Opera could lead to tremendous coding difficulty when trying to functionally access something elsewhere in the browser (and in other processes) using a side-panel. If the devs spent their design effort trying to replicate Presto Opera's features in Blink Opera, the browser would likely still be largely on the drawing board and appear even more Chrome-like in nature - and that would lead to even stronger complaints.

    Moreover, Opera appears to have decided at the outset to pursue a broader user market that they believed wasn't concerned with many of the Presto Opera features that appealed to the old user base. So no attempts were made to include many of those features in Blink Opera. As the Blink browser matures, the devs may have more time to devote to finding ways to include certain former features gradually, but when one realizes the many years it took to accumulate the Presto Opera feature and configurability set in that browser, it's likely to take quite some time for Blink Opera to evolve as well.

    I state all this as an observer, not necessarily an advocate of the decisions that were made.

  • You say Blink Opera is multi-process. Is that why when I open it loads of Opera processes appear in the Task Manager, the CPU usage shoots up and the PC gets slow?

  • You say Blink Opera is multi-process. Is that why when I open it loads of Opera processes appear in the Task Manager, the CPU usage shoots up and the PC gets slow?

    Yes, that's pretty much it, but on a modern multi-core computer with a decent amount of RAM there should not really be any significant slow down.

  • Is it not possible to "manually" insert the old bookmark file into Opera 26?

    It totally possible. Open up your old Opera install on your old computer and use the export bookmarks feature to export them as an HTML file. Copy that file over to your new system and use Opera 26's import feature to import from a file. Browser to where you saved the HTML file and you are all set.

  • I have used Opera for years because of some features that made it different from other browsers, most importantly the bookmark feature that was "one-click"-accessible on the left side. With the current version it takes at least two clicks to get to the bookmarks, and then they cover the whole page.
    Now that Opera looks like any other browser on the market, there is really no reason to use it anymore. If I wanted another Google Chrome, I would use Google Chrome.
    It seems to me that Internet Explorer and Firefox are the only browsers that still offer "one-click"-accessibility for bookmarks, evrybody else does everything the can to drive users back to Microsoft and Mozilla.
    I will try to use Opera version 12 until it does not work anymore and then it's bye-bye Opera and hello Internet Explorer.

  • I've another bookmark question.

    Is there any way to create a subfolder within a bookmark folder? I sure as hell can't find a workaround.

    I have number of different subfolders that I want to include within one master folder but version 26 is only letting me create new folders at the higher level and not subfolders.

    An advice would be welcomed as this is fairly important to me.

  • What happen to the HOME icon? Do you have to go looking through the bookmarks to find what was HOME?

  • Drgwalker: If you use the bookmark bar you can create subdirectories ad infinitum. Simply create an empty primary bookmark with your desired name, then drag it to the existing bookmark. It will appear at the bottom of the list but you can drag it to the top. Subdirectories will not sort according to title, so they will stay where you put them.

    The Bookmarks Page is an unbelievable fudge-up. You can't drag anything anywhere. You can create new folders and add or remove them (click on My Folders) but I can see no way to create sub folders. Nor can I import bookmark bar folders. Personally, I wouldn't touch Opera bookmarks with a stick. The bar, imported from Chrome, works fine.

  • Thanks Bob - I spent an eternity today trying to fathom out a work around - simple when someone points out the solution.

    Like you say, the bookmark function is a complete farce. It's fairly critical to what I need from a browser - I like a couple things about Opera, but this version 26 looks like a complete bodge.

    I also use Firefox and their bookmark options are a piece of piss to work around.

    Thanks again!

  • You say Blink Opera is multi-process. Is that why when I open it loads of Opera processes appear in the Task Manager, the CPU usage shoots up and the PC gets slow?

    Yes, that's pretty much it, but on a modern multi-core computer with a decent amount of RAM there should not really be any significant slow down.

    Okay, I do have quite a few windows open, but my PC isn't that old. It's seven years old, but things haven't advanced that much in that time, it handles everything else fine, and... okay, I'm just going to say it... Opera 12 never had any problems with them. Which makes the new Opera a big step back, not a step forward, for me.

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