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Collection of personal user information

  • @tgarden... think it through. Your IP address is your return address for going out on the web. When a site you visit sends you back information to display on your screen, it has to route it via your IP address back to you. Whenever you go anywhere on the web, you notify the target of your IP address. Please don't let paranoia take over due to lack of knowledge... make efforts to learn how things work with the Internet. 😉

  • Opera ASA does not collect the information - it only channels it to the NSA*:D*

  • Oh, I'm sure that unless you're using Turbo (and probably even then) the NSA doesn't need Opera's help.

    There is an option under Settings > Privacy to send Opera feature usage information ... which you can of course disable. Opera also includes an anti-phishing and anti-malware feature which will submit your visited URLs to a service to see if they are listed as unsafe, but they do not keep records of that. (And Opera is not the only browser to do such a check.)

  • Think it through you say. What an astute response. I was asking why user information needs to be collected; it is as easy as collecting the IP address, which you brilliantly pointed out that it needs to do so. Of course it does. I was asking rhetorically 'why doeas Opera need to collect 'traffic' information.

  • Traffic information would be used by Opera to improve the browser. They would use it to see how people use the browser and where to focus development and improvements. It is also used to identify which websites are malicious so they can warn users who might not otherwise be able to tell.

  • It'd be nice of it to be optional: like

    Would you like to participate in our usage survey? It's needed to improve the browser, and your partaking will be appreciated.
    To see how we handle your data and what data we collect, proceed here.

  • That is a good comment. Will the Opera staff listen to this suggestion? We could send money in envelopes.

  • When installing Opera, click on options and uncheck the option to send usage info.

  • When installing Opera, click on options and uncheck the option to send usage info.

    Exactly. What the hell are your guys making a fuss about here? There's nothing to complain about...
    Opera is not collecting any personal data and you can opt out of any anonymous usage data, too.

  • I guess if the data's not going anywhere else, it's nice of me to allow them to have it. I didn't pay any money for what they gave me - so why not give something? 😛

  • If the product is free to you, you are the product.

  • If the product is free to you, you are the product.

    +1. A hard, foundational truth for today's Internet era. TANSTAAFL.

  • Lately I've been seriously tempted to stop using Opera, now that my favorite features are no longer there (fast forward, click and drag, ease of bookmark use, creating sessions, etc). Is it possible that Opera has been inflitrated by competitor agents and they undermined Opera? For all the paranoid hunters, this is a joke.

  • ... Is it possible that Opera has been inflitrated by competitor agents and they undermined Opera? ...

    It's less possible than the possibility that your posts are being made by an agent for a competitor product, dissing and mocking Opera's efforts. That is, both possibilities are unlikely in the extreme.

    The nature of "free" browsers that aren't simply charitable labors-of-love is that they still have to pay their makers' bills, whether by renting out preferred placements or (in some cases) marketing user data. Regardless, it means getting the browser adopted in ever-larger numbers by the vast 'gray' masses of users out there. Those users most often are not techno-users, focused on using browsers as working tools... they're primarily appliance users focused on using a browser for entertainment or something equivalent. Their numbers are also dominated by the mobile-user crowd, whose culture is heavily colored by the less-is-more, as long as it's bright and flashy, perspective. The end result, felt in all the newer browser designs made by the bigger design houses is that configurability and settings-depth are steadily diminishing across the board with each new release. A cursory look into even Firefox forum comments will quickly reveal a growing history of techno-users complaining that their browser is evolving away from their control/configurability needs toward a Chromish-facade-appeal.

    My own belief is that this mass-user targeting is inevitable with free software. As @lando242 has noted, if it's free, the user is the product... the money has to be made somewhere, and the greatest money is made from appealing to the greatest number of users. At the end of the day, the only way to avoid it is to be willing to pay directly (and pay well) for a quality product that appeals to one's class of user - and over time letting competition establish a viable niche for that kind of product. But that's not what we see today, nor do I expect it until or if something major goes "bang" with the current free-paradigm and which acts to alienate large numbers of users.

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