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  • Nope...sorry I wasn't banned. I stopped using Opera and stopped participating in the forums. It has been so long, so many computers ago that I can't even remember my screen name.

    Originally posted by Pesala:

    Originally posted by urdrwho:

    I remember you from the old days.

    Unlike the arrogant fools who come here just to rant, I don't need to change my username. What happened? Did your earlier account get banned for trolling or personal attacks?

    This is a user2user support forum. Use it for its intended purpose. If your opinions are expressed politely, they won't need to be dismissed as just temper tantrums.

  • If you weren't banned (and we have only your word as proof of such), you should have been. You're a :troll:

  • It's awful. The fact that there are tons of threads like this, while just a tiny handful of Opera fanboys defend it (usually while insulting people) is evidence of that. According to some of the folks above, you can only express an opinion about Opera if it's positive. If you think the new version is awful, you have to keep it to yourself, you're arrogant, an idiot, you must have been previously banned etc. etc. You should take solace in the fact that you're not as sad as those folks who clearly have literally nothing else to do aside from defending a web browser like it's their own child.

  • Originally posted by funksoulbro:

    According to some of the folks above, you can only express an opinion about Opera if it's positive.

    Wrong. You can express your opinion if it is negative, as long as it is done politely.

    I am no fanboy of Opera 19 — I am still using Opera 11.64, and freely express my negative opinions about defects in Opera 12.xx that prevented me upgrading.

  • I think the last Opera I used was around 9>10.

    Apparently there was a major overhaul to Opera and a lot of people aren't thrilled with it.

    I do remember that anyone that would disparage Opera would have a lot of arrows thrown their way. That I do remember and it sometimes seems like there are those that like Opera in a cult like manner. Example is the person on this thread that is naming me a troll. I guess only people with positive thoughts are not a troll.

    There was a time that I never ever would have considered leaving Opera. I liked the idea of having the browser / mail combo. Like I said the real reason for trying another browser was the bank problem. I imagine that today, many Opera versions later, the HTTPS & banking should not be a problem.

    I do use Opera on my small android appliances and it is a good browser on them.

    Does this Opera version have book marks? How about ad-blocking? Can I add Evernote web clipper?

    Originally posted by Pesala:

    Originally posted by funksoulbro:

    According to some of the folks above, you can only express an opinion about Opera if it's positive.

    Wrong. You can express your opinion if it is negative, as long as it is done politely.

    I am no fanboy of Opera 19 — I am still using Opera 11.64, and freely express my negative opinions about defects in Opera 12.xx that prevented me upgrading.

  • What a load of tripe. First off... this is NOT a rant forum; it's a Help forum. You've not asked for help. All you've done is whine and that is against the terms of service. You are aware of the tos, right? Secondly, no one is forcing you to use Opera 18. Continue using an earlier version since you happen to like its features and that really is the end of it. Opera has been developing Opera Blink now for a year. The former Presto developers' team has essentially been disbanded and some have left Opera altogether. Your whining serves no real purpose. If you want to see changes made to the new Opera, then visit the developers' blogs and politely request changes there... not here. Once again, this is a Help (not Rant) forum.

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    Wrong. You can express your opinion if it is negative, as long as it is done politely.

    Translation: "You can express your opinion if it is negative, as long as it is something I agree with".

    Seriously, you're one to talk. You're rude to nearly every new member that posts on this forum and has a complaint about Opera.

    Originally posted by leushino:

    What a load of tripe. First off... this is NOT a rant forum; it's a Help forum. You've not asked for help. All you've done is whine and that is against the terms of service. You are aware of the tos, right? Secondly, no one is forcing you to use Opera 18. Continue using an earlier version since you happen to like its features and that really is the end of it. Opera has been developing Opera Blink now for a year. The former Presto developers' team has essentially been disbanded and some have left Opera altogether. Your whining serves no real purpose. If you want to see changes made to the new Opera, then visit the developers' blogs and politely request changes there... not here. Once again, this is a Help (not Rant) forum.

    If it's not a rant forum then why do you go into nearly every thread ranting about people ranting? Both you and Pesala have an odd definition of "helping" someone. Every time someone asks a question or makes a complaint it's either "search the forums" or you and Pesala b*tching about them having a complaint and telling them to deal with it.

  • I did ask for help in my first post about changing the PDF viewer. Rant yes but I was wondering what has happened to Opera.

    You are correct nobody is forcing me or you to use Opera. I don't think the TOS says anything about complaining, if it does it would point out a very anal aspect to life at Opera.

    I title of the site is my.opera.com/community/forums it does not have the word help in it. That is a figment of your imagination. In fact it does have community in it. Community also means discourse and part of discourse is exchanging thoughts, ideas or writing about a subject. I've given some of my thoughts and those were that Opera made a bad turn. I still see posts where people are having problems with Opera and Bank sites. After all these years and still having problems with bank sites. Bank site problems was a main reason I left Opera. One answer said to us IE.

    From the MyOpera front page -- Opera forums - a place for you to get in touch with other Opera users for discussions, troubleshooting, and sharing ideas. Discussion doesn't mean it will always be a positive flag wave for Opera.

    If it is not a rant forum....why do you keep ranting about people. At least others may rant about a product but you rant about people. Why?
    In your mind a discussion is only valid if it satisfies your ego. I look and see you do it all the time. In the Jon S. von Tetzchner isn't happy thread you again tell someone that it is a "help" forum and they accurately point out to you -- "The heading for this forum is simply 'Discuss the Opera browser'. The OP seems to conform to that requirement."

    MyOpera says that people are here to help. So help me and answer my question, where are the bookmarks?

    I'll be moving to Discussions and Debates because Opera says -- "The problem with this forum is that a small number of members are discussing many issues. It's clear that they won't always agree"

    IF you don't want rants between and about people......don't start the rant. It is as easy as that.

    Originally posted by leushino:

    What a load of tripe. First off... this is NOT a rant forum; it's a Help forum. You've not asked for help. All you've done is whine and that is against the terms of service. You are aware of the tos, right? Secondly, no one is forcing you to use Opera 18. Continue using an earlier version since you happen to like its features and that really is the end of it. Opera has been developing Opera Blink now for a year. The former Presto developers' team has essentially been disbanded and some have left Opera altogether. Your whining serves no real purpose. If you want to see changes made to the new Opera, then visit the developers' blogs and politely request changes there... not here. Once again, this is a Help (not Rant) forum.

  • Originally posted by urdrwho:

    I did ask for help in my first post about changing the PDF viewer. Rant yes but I was wondering what has happened to Opera.

    And I immediately answered your question for which I got insulted by you.

    Originally posted by urdrwho:

    IF you don't want rants between and about people......don't start the rant. It is as easy as that.

    The fault was yours — you were the one who joined this thread, which started with a rant for a thread title, with a rant of your own.

    1. Don't make inflammatory posts or threads just to stir up the forum or blog. Don't exaggerate just to make a point. Respect your fellow community members, and don't vent your frustrations at them. No trolling.

    2. No personal attacks. Attack the idea, not the person. Never post negative forum threads about other forum members.

    So read the forum rules again, and follow them. Then you will get the help you need without the criticism of your bad manners.

    Please respect the forum rules, post in the right forum, stay on topic and be friendly.

  • The part about not ranting at people who post was aimed directly at Lueshino. I did a quick search and he or she is always slinging arrows.

    Your response after my post was not needing anymore of these kind of threads. It made me stand up on my hind legs and I called you arrogant. I should not have doe that but it brought up past times when I saw so many (lack of a better word) fan boys who would just name call when we complained about Opera changing.

    I did read the forum rules and I think Lueshino should read them several times. The rules are to stay friendly. I go to a lot of different forums and this I can say with a high certainty, the Opera forum was always one that the tireless supporters would always name call to anyone that had a negative point.

    The part about not ranting at other people who post was aimed directly at Lueshino. I did a quick search and he or she is always slinging arrows.

    Now back to a question....am I correct, there is no bookmarks anymore? I have a stable version. Looks like I'll get an update when I restart.

    19.0.1326.47 - Restart Opera to update to version 19.0.1326.56
    Update stream: Stable
    System: Windows 7 64-bit (WoW64)

    Originally posted by Pesala:

    Originally posted by urdrwho:

    I did ask for help in my first post about changing the PDF viewer. Rant yes but I was wondering what has happened to Opera.

    And I immediately answered your question for which I got insulted by you.

    Originally posted by urdrwho:

    IF you don't want rants between and about people......don't start the rant. It is as easy as that.

    The fault was yours — you were the one who joined this thread, which started with a rant for a thread title, with a rant of your own.

    1. Don't make inflammatory posts or threads just to stir up the forum or blog. Don't exaggerate just to make a point. Respect your fellow community members, and don't vent your frustrations at them. No trolling.

    2. No personal attacks. Attack the idea, not the person. Never post negative forum threads about other forum members.

    So read the forum rules again, and follow them. Then you will get the help you need without the criticism of your bad manners.

    Please respect the forum rules, post in the right forum, stay on topic and be friendly.

  • If you need help, ask for it. Otherwise respect the terms of service and stop the personal attacks on me. I see you've been a member here for a few weeks. I've been here for many years and an Opera user since 2000. It's apparent that you took out a membership to do nothing more than rag on Opera. It won't work. Opera has made its decision so either live with it, continue to use an older version or find another browser. And I suggest you put me on your Ignore list. YOU are now on mine. :whistle:

  • Originally posted by urdrwho:

    Now back to a question....am I correct there is no bookmarks anymore?

    Find your own answers. Rule #1 is “Search before posting.”

    You have no respect for others, and have done nothing here to earn the right to sling arrows at others when they object to your disruptive behaviour on these forums. A new kid on the block, after an absence of years, and you think that people should be nice to you when you are just throwing tantrums.

  • Originally posted by blackbird71:

    Originally posted by richardlemmens:

    ... nobody wants this browser anymore.

    Somebody must, else there'd be no new Opera version downloads or occasional requests for technical help in these forums.

    Yeah, well. But for each such request in the forums, there are like five or ten posts criticizing what has become of Opera.

    And if you think they're all clones or something like that, look at the comments from the users in this post about Opera posted yesterday on a general tech news website: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/01/31/1629253/former-dev-gives-gloomy-outlook-on-linux-support-for-the-opera-browser

    The amount of people who "want this browser anymore" seems to be diminishingly slow.

    By the way, I have downloaded all the new Developer versions, and posted a help request in the forum, but it's not because I want this browser. It's because I still check every version because I have a tiny bit of irrational hope in that it can recover part of the old glory.

  • Originally posted by Al-Khwarizmi:

    Originally posted by blackbird71:

    Originally posted by richardlemmens:

    ... nobody wants this browser anymore.

    Somebody must, else there'd be no new Opera version downloads or occasional requests for technical help in these forums.

    Yeah, well. But for each such request in the forums, there are like five or ten posts criticizing what has become of Opera.
    ...

    If you will check the first line of my post which you referenced, you will note I asked: "Exaggerate much?" The ensuing quotes/responses were confrontations of exaggeration made by the OP. "Nobody" means 'not one person,' was an exaggeration as used, and it was being confronted. Whether there are 5 or 500 user complaints for every positive one, that doesn't impact that exaggeration was occurring. A common problem in forums in general, and this forum in particular since the wave of complaints, is the use of extreme/absolute descriptions: never, always, none, all, nobody, everybody, etc. Heavy usage of exaggerated forms of expression in negatively describing or complaining about something is what characterizes a post as a whine. Such expressions are knowingly inaccurate and are too often used merely as a form of inflammatory shouting. They are the stuff of which flame wars are started and escalated, and frankly, have no place on a forum like this.

  • Originally posted by blackbird71:

    A common problem in forums in general, and this forum in particular since the wave of complaints, is the use of extreme/absolute descriptions: never, always, none, all, nobody, everybody, etc. Heavy usage of exaggerated forms of expression in negatively describing or complaining about something is what characterizes a post as a whine. Such expressions are knowingly inaccurate and are too often used merely as a form of inflammatory shouting. They are the stuff of which flame wars are started and escalated, and frankly, have no place on a forum like this.

    And undoubtedly the use of such exaggerations by the complainers has resulted in the Community forums being largely ignored now by developers. The complainers are simply shouting at one another, not fully cognizant of the fact that their shouts are bouncing off vacant walls. :whistle:

  • just wait for Otter Browser to get stable version
    then this crippled Opera will be ditched forever

  • LOL... yup! And by the way: do you also sell phenomenal lots in Miami's everglades? :lol:

  • Originally posted by GwenDragon:

    No, then Opera 23 is ready with allmost all features from Opera 12.

    And... you woken up from your silly little dream... version 23 and most features returned... more like version 83 if ever... guess you didn't pay to much attention to the current progress of blink opera.
    The sad thing is that a single person made greater progress(starting from 0) in half a year then the whole desktop team in over year(they probably started the work a lot earlier then the announcement - having chromium as a base)...

  • Originally posted by GwenDragon:

    Originally posted by greekonsun:

    just wait for Otter Browser to get stable version
    then this crippled Opera will be ditched forever

    Yes, we wait a few Years until otter gets same as Opera 11. And wait...
    No, then Opera 23 is ready with allmost all features from Opera 12. 😉

    years ?
    you shitting me ?

    in 6 months tops it will be stable with all features
    while you wait Opera 101

    good luck

  • LOL... what a dreamer. So a one-man show is going to put out a browser complete with all the missing features in six months' time and you're going to use it? Right? :yikes: :lol:

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