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How Many Bookmarks Do you Have?

  • Originally posted by Frenzie:

    That's correct. When you enable it, it generates ~/.opera/usagereport/report.xml. It also keeps a weekly archive, so I can see that back on July 18th (when I must've enabled it),

      <section id="Bookmarks">
        <value id="NumberOfFolders" xml:space="preserve">28</value>
        <value id="NumberOfBookmarks" xml:space="preserve">291</value>
        <value id="LastCreatedBookmark" xml:space="preserve">1373927600</value>
      </section>
    

    I enabled this. Its pretty cool. Is there some way that it could be better formatted? Such as...

    Number Of Folders = 28
    Number of Bookmarks = 291
    Last Created Bookmark = 137927600

  • Originally posted by scratchspace:

    Originally posted by Frenzie:

    Not if you use go to nickname (Shift+F2 by default). I have F2 bound to new page & go to nickname. I've been using this since years prior to the introduction of speed dial. But alternatively you could just use small nicknames consisting of one or two characters if you preferred.

    I'm only superficially familiar with the nickname feature, so I may not be fully grasping your point, but the process that I believe you're describing is still not as fast/easy as using a keyboard shortcut for the first nine Speed Dial entries. Specifically, I can open one of the first nine Speed Dial webpages in the same amount of time that it takes you to complete what is only the first step (pressing Shift+F2) of a two-step process (the second step being the entry of the nickname characters, which for someone with hundreds of bookmarks would often require the entry of more than two characters).

    True for the first nine entries, but let's remember there are more bookmarks. With meaningful nicknames (building them like abbreviations or acronyms) you can easily denote say a hundred bookmarks, plus have nine speed dial entries on top of that. I personally have about thirty nicks mostly for search engines plus for some websites inherited from the era prior to speed dial.

    Originally posted by scratchspace:

    Originally posted by Frenzie:

    And btw, why wouldn't I remember all of my nicknames unless I forgot about the very site it refers to? My MyOpera nickname isโ€”wait for itโ€”myopera. To access it comes down to F2, my (because I have more nicknames starting with m).

    I gather that you're implying that the "go to page" box has an autocomplete feature, reducing the amount of typing required in the box. If so, that's nice,

    By default in old Opera:
    F2 = "Go to page" dialog which operates like regular address bar, requiring Enter to go to the address/nick.
    Shift+F2 = bookmarks nick dialog, once you have typed enough for the system to make sense of the nick, it flies

    And the ingenious configurability in the old Opera allows you to reassign anything to anything, so you can access the latter dialog by means of one single key.

    Originally posted by rif:

    I enabled this. Its pretty cool. Is there some way that it could be better formatted? Such as...

    Number Of Folders = 28
    Number of Bookmarks = 291
    Last Created Bookmark = 137927600

    Maybe write a CSS for it. But it looks human-readable enough. Anyway, it's too late to enable it. They already decided that nobody uses bookmarks.

    Originally posted by Pesala:

    Reading about one user with 10,000 bookmarks I am curious to know what the average is.

    Likely a hyperbole without doing much counting. Anyway, speeddial doesn't reasonably handle even a hundred, on this we can agree, right?

  • Originally posted by scratchspace:

    I gather that you're implying that the "go to page" box has an autocomplete feature, reducing the amount of typing required in the box. If so, that's nice, but I would contend that people who have hundreds (as I do) or thousands of bookmarks actually will "[forget] about the very site it refers to".

    Yup, autocomplete. ๐Ÿ™‚ I don't dispute that sites will be forgotten, but out of my 300+ bookmarks probably only a few dozen up to several dozen have nicknames. I'm only claiming nicknames have always been better than speed dial for both speed of access and memorability.

    Originally posted by mimi_s_mum:

    Thanks for the tip, Frans. In 64 bit Windows the report is C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Opera\Opera( x64)\usagereport\report.xml

    You can make that link work for everyone by writing it with %USERPROFILE%, or perhaps Windows 7 changed it to %USER%.

    %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Opera\Opera( x64)\usagereport\report.xml

  • I would say what F2/"Go to page" does is more searching than autocomplete. When you type a keyword there (or Addressbar URL field), Opera searches in bookmarks data and typed page history. (Might search wider with default setting. But I usually disable "Remember content of visited pages" option as soon as launching a new profile.)

    The search in bookmarks data looks at all the elements in bookmark property:title, address, nickname and description. This means forgetting site/page title or nickname is not a problem (Re @scratchspace's point). Just type the word and see if you have been and bookmarked any pages related to that word. If you have indeed bookmarked those pages in the past, then, it is more likely than not you thought those pages would be useful in future for the particular topic you are searching with that keyword.So it is worthwhile revisiting those pages.

    Re Bookmarks (vs Personal Bar) vs Speeddial debate
    For me they are totally different things and one cannot substitute another. My analogy goes like this:
    Bookmarks are library catalogue entries letting you search and access the entire library collections without actually going to each shelf and taking each book out.
    You have already taken out some books/magazines you regularly use for your thing (entertainment, getting latest fashion/gardening/sport news, homework, trip planning, work or what have you) and piled up on the library desk. This is Personal Bar
    And you already have pulled out several books/magazines from the pile and opened the pages you always look at first. This is Speeddial

    With this analogy number of bookmarks may represent the person's need for book access. Some need to access a large number of books. Others have no such need and only want to read newspapers and a magazine or two.

    Edited for better wording

  • I have F2 bound to new page & go to nickname, not the default go to page. I misread scratchpage's message.

  • Originally posted by scratchspace:

    Frenzie, I'm not sure if I'm following you re: the misreading of my wording, but FWIW, when I referred to the "go to page" box earlier in connection with the autocomplete---or "searching"----feature, I was actually referring to the same thing you were, the "bookmark" version of that box.

    Ah, ok. You're right, in the GUI it's not entitled "go to nickname" but "go to page" and merely says "enter the nickname of a bookmark". I've internalized the difference between go to page and go to nickname, 's all. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • I have 672 bookmarks in 21 folders.
    Not a massive number, and there are of course only a few of them that I use regularly, but boy would I miss them if I lost them!
    ๐Ÿ™‚

  • 14,000+ bookmarks in 2200+ folders. Do I win? :lol:
    http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=14696132

  • Originally posted by dicktater:

    Do I win?

    No, you lose โ€” the winner is the one with fewest bookmarks. ๐Ÿ™‚

    However, in theory you could do it with just 13 folders on the Quick Access Bar, each folder having 13 subfolders, each subfolder having 13 further subfolders, and each folder having an average of 10-12 bookmarks.

    As things are it's impractical to organise more than a few bookmarks or folders using the QAB, but if you organise the folders thoroughly before importing them into Opera Next, you might just about manage.

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    No, you lose

    rather Opera loses because it cannot fit the user's needs.

  • Originally posted by serious:

    Opera loses because it cannot fit the user's needs.

    Losers lose out because they can neither adapt to change, nor be content with an old version.

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    Losers lose out because they can neither adapt to change, nor be content with an old version.

    Why should you adapt to change to something worse than before? The lack of a proper bookmark manager is ridiculous.
    That philosophy won't hold in a long run.
    What should people do with all their bookmarks? Not those with only 10-50 but those with 500 or more.
    How can they be organized, categorized or be structured in a nice pedagogical manner?

    So the question remains:
    Why do Opera hate the classic bookmark manager so much?
    Is that what you called change for the future?
    Opera 19 Developer is out now but still no bookmark manager on the horizon.

  • Originally posted by Ervin74:

    Why should you adapt to change to something worse than before?

    You don't have to adapt if you don't want to โ€” use the old version, which is what I am doing.

    The best philosophy is to deal with things as they are, not as you want them to be.

    If or when Opera Next is "good enough" or when Opera 12.16 is too out of date, we will all have to adapt to the way things are at that stage.

    Originally posted by Ervin74:

    Opera 19 Developer is out now but still no bookmark manager on the horizon.

    It is definitely on the horizon, as is customisability. I don't see any sign of Notes or Panels on the horizon yet.

  • Speed dial: 96 links, 13 folders
    Stash: 177 links
    QAB: not using
    In Opera 12, when I was moving to O15, there were ~660 bookmarks, mostly rubbish.

  • I've got 169 in 26 folders. In Opera 12.16 I can access any bookmark with 2 clicks, without leaving the page I'm already on. That's the way it should work. More than 50% of the respondents have over 500 bookmarks, which is a silly amount to expect people to have on something called a "SPEED" dial.

  • Originally posted by funksoulbro:

    More than 50% of the respondents have over 500 bookmarks, which is a silly amount to expect people to have on something called a "SPEED" dial.

    Agreed, anything much more than 50 is a silly amount to have on speed dial, but no one has to have all of their bookmarks on speed dial โ€” they can use the Quick Access Bar. With less than 500 bookmarks, anyone could access any bookmarks with 2 clicks without leaving the page. Depending on the length of the folder name (which can be edited) and the width of the monitor, one can fit about 10-20 folders on the QAB, with 20-30 bookmarks in each folder.

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    Losers lose out because they can neither adapt to change, nor be content with an old version.

    or they just move away to other products who listen to what the users want ...

  • Originally posted by serious:

    or they just move away to other products who listen to what the users want ...

    This forum will be a lot better if the losers leave. The constant whining makes it hard to hear any constructive feedback. Opera really don't need to listen to the losers โ€” they do listen to their users.

  • So the user should sit quietly like a mouse and be thankful for everything? What a load of bull...

  • Originally posted by artmil:

    So the user should sit quietly like a mouse and be thankful for everything?

    Not at all. The users should offer constructive feedback, and accept that not all things that he or she wants are possible, nor even desirable for most users.

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