<![CDATA[Learning programming]]>This thread's gonna be dedicated to means, ways and sources for undereducated people to learn programming, also possible guidance and advice from the educated.
We're also gonna chat tips, details and peculiarities.

Well, lately I felt like I should learn something to at least understand what geeks are sometimes talking about. It's the 21st century anyway, so let's be decadent to become a learned person before the World has gone awry.
So I got the idea of learning to understand the basic computer architecture first - what do you think? I thought "what's the sense of getting to know, say, a programming language if I have only a slight idea of electricity for all that stuff under the hood?"...
A friend from MyOpera offerred to teach me HTML, so we might definitely touch the subject here, as well as other web-programming tools - like CSS etc (let you not just forget that the thread is meant for learning people - no geeks, so please don't push any academical conversations far ahead of the content, right?).

]]>https://forums.opera.com/topic/5037/learning-programmingRSS for NodeFri, 06 Mar 2026 19:27:32 GMTWed, 10 Sep 2014 12:58:09 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sun, 01 Mar 2015 17:47:13 GMT]]>There's this video: file type - 3GPP Content.
Which media type should I apply to it to embed it?
Oh, the extension is .3gp on the source page.

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/68280https://forums.opera.com/post/68280Sun, 01 Mar 2015 17:47:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:28:36 GMT]]>They always cite some API or APIs.
What is this exactly? Apart from the words, I mean.

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/67133https://forums.opera.com/post/67133Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:28:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Tue, 09 Dec 2014 13:27:14 GMT]]>

...['cause] my native/spoken language is not english, sorry.

I prefer English anyway*:P*

These two element are not used for optical text formatting, they are for logical structurizing content.

Well, I'm getting a slight hint for understanding - a slight one but still it's a hint and I'm getting it. πŸ˜‰

However, <q cite="W3Schools" title="I've used the 'q' tag here - so it's meant as a quote.">... This tag is not deprecated, but it is possible to achieve richer effect with CSS.</q> -
what sense does it make for you?

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/61027https://forums.opera.com/post/61027Tue, 09 Dec 2014 13:27:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Tue, 09 Dec 2014 13:17:45 GMT]]>Hardly to explain for me, because my native/spoken language is not english, sorry.

HTML element kbd is used to markup text as keyboard input. That means in context for users or even reading programs: This text has to be logically interpreted as keyboard input.

HTML element samp is use for examples.

These two element are not used for optical text formatting, they are for logical structurizing content.

Other example:
h1 as HTML markup means: In HTML document structure this is a header of level 1 (=top-level)
It does not mean: This is a big text with bold letters.

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/61025https://forums.opera.com/post/61025Tue, 09 Dec 2014 13:17:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:58:13 GMT]]><em>What exactly</em> are `` and <samp> elements used for?

The `` tag is a phrase tag. It defines keyboard input.
... This tag is not deprecated, but it is possible to achieve richer effect with CSS.

The <samp> tag is a phrase tag. It defines sample output from a computer program.
... This tag is not deprecated, but it is possible to achieve richer effect with CSS.

<small>Reference: [<cite>HTML Computer Code Elements</cite>](http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_computercode_elements.asp" title="W3Schools).</small>

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/61019https://forums.opera.com/post/61019Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:58:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:42:37 GMT]]>No e-mail.
I tried Facebook.
(Well, there is a link at the bottom there: "Report an error" or "...mistake", I deemed it not that exactly - didn't try.)

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59854https://forums.opera.com/post/59854Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:42:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:28:38 GMT]]>Please send them a mail to add this information you missed for learners at w3school πŸ˜‰

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59845https://forums.opera.com/post/59845Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:28:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:30:32 GMT]]>

Yes, check if the content is stored as UTF.

It wasn't.
I hadn't been advised on that, so I'd been leaving the default "ANSI" there. Now I tried resaving one of my oldest htmls changing that to "UTF8" - the doc overwrote itself successfully.

Imagine, Angie, the site I'm learning it on's also missing this 'step'. I guess it may be the case because they forgot to think about the fact that not everybody on Earth is strictly confined to the English language only*;)*

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59836https://forums.opera.com/post/59836Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:30:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:35:59 GMT]]>Just use this:

<heater>![](http://cs9597.vkontakte.ru/u8171323/-14/x_adb23761.jpg)</heater>
πŸ˜‰

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59787https://forums.opera.com/post/59787Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:35:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:21:47 GMT]]>Fine, now my reputation as female geek, HTML witch and IT professional grows more and more πŸ˜‰

The coffe is too cold, now. But next time after good help, please send me a coffee machine πŸ™‚ LOL

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59786https://forums.opera.com/post/59786Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:21:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:15:41 GMT]]>Thank you, Angie, for your "UTF" advice! 🍺
I just opened of the UTF-resaved documents in my Chrome: looks perfectly o'k! πŸ†™
Yeah - the other one too! :yes:
For you:

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59770https://forums.opera.com/post/59770Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:15:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:08:50 GMT]]>Yes, I resaved those two - but you know what?
The recent test one where I inserted the <meta>, got boxes and then amended using my Opera ('source code') - appeared (seemed) already UTF-8 now (means it was the only one for whose resaving my Windows already offered "UTF-8" as default - for others it did always seem "ANSI" being the default there).

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59769https://forums.opera.com/post/59769Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:08:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 13:56:58 GMT]]>

Yes, check if the content is stored as UTF.

It wasn't.
I hadn't been advised on that, so I'd been leaving the default "ANSI" there. Now I tried resaving one of my oldest htmls changing that to "UTF8" - the doc overwrote itself successfully (I'll check that on one of the two "mixed-titled" later).

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59767https://forums.opera.com/post/59767Sat, 29 Nov 2014 13:56:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 13:47:22 GMT]]>

Which editor do you use?

Notepad - as advised here.

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59766https://forums.opera.com/post/59766Sat, 29 Nov 2014 13:47:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 13:21:43 GMT]]>Yes, check if the content is stored as UTF. Which editor do you use? Notepad++?

No, its ok, if these pages are only local your own, you need not to show. πŸ˜‰

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59763https://forums.opera.com/post/59763Sat, 29 Nov 2014 13:21:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:53:55 GMT]]>

But your texteditor should store the HTML file as UTF8!

Should I check that out?

Please show me a URL of such russian webpage which title is incorrect. I'll investigate.

You meant "Russian"?
Well, I don't seem to be able to: the titles themselves of those Russian (and localised) [online] sites/pages are nothing but correct - while mine have never been published yet (I only shared .html files in a group or two - you want that?).

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59758https://forums.opera.com/post/59758Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:53:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:39:52 GMT]]>For HTML it is irrelevant for char encoding if you have HTML5 or HTML 4.x or XHTML.

The problem with the "boxes" may be incorrect characters in HTML and wrong encoding (in HTML code or Server sent HTTP headers) or missng charcters in a used font for display in Opera.

But your texteditor should store the HTML file as UTF8!

Please show me a URL of such russian webpage which title is incorrect. I'll investigate.

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59755https://forums.opera.com/post/59755Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:39:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:23:47 GMT]]>Angie, I added this line: "<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">"; now I'm having boxes there instead of letters (a new doc from one of those just by adding that).

<abbr title="Add/editβ†’">➫</abbr>
You know what?
I just opened the code of this new one (with the boxes) and rewrote *the boxes* here in Opera, applied: the page has got looking just fine!πŸ†™

I don't know if it needs a messing with the fonts somehow...

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59714https://forums.opera.com/post/59714Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:23:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:14:16 GMT]]>You know, Angie, lots of Russian sites seem to be written not in HTML5 - whether it's HTML4.01 or XHTML (once I noticed).
And well, I've just come across two sites in a row written in HTML5 and having a Cyrillic title - one of them even mixed (and the latter is not even Russian, but Google's localised page).
Well, both of them have that meta: the former (ЯндСкс) has it "<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">", the Google one - "<meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="content-type">".

So now I'm gonna try creating a test doc with this head element.

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59707https://forums.opera.com/post/59707Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:14:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:09:06 GMT]]>

will those "good" browsers do not mind it?

Well, they might mind or not.

Well... then I'll investigate some more Russian sites' codes first... :rolleyes:
You mind?:)

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59678https://forums.opera.com/post/59678Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:09:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:02:47 GMT]]>

will those "good" browsers do not mind it?

Well, they might mind or not.

You can trust me, i'm webdevoloper and have more or less bad experiences with browsers and websites over years πŸ˜‰

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59676https://forums.opera.com/post/59676Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:02:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:55:10 GMT]]>

Some browsers do have a default fallback, if charencoding is missing. Some browsers guess which encoding it could be.

But if I amend my htmls with that charset - will those "good" browsers do not mind it? Like "Gosh! Master added a 'charset' - let me break then!"?πŸ™‚

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59674https://forums.opera.com/post/59674Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:55:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:39:13 GMT]]>

Well, are these attributes/values proper in HTML5?

The element META is allowed with attribute http-equv in HTML5.
See
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/document-metadata.html
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/document-metadata.html#attr-meta-http-equiv-content-type
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/document-metadata.html#attr-meta-http-equiv

And another question stays: why do certain browsers (version(s) of) handle those/my pages when they do not contain any metas at all?

Some browsers do have a default fallback, if charencoding is missing. Some browsers guess which encoding it could be. On some servers the correct encoding is send by a HTTP header. On some servers the incorrect encoding is send by a HTTP header.

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59672https://forums.opera.com/post/59672Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:39:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Learning programming on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:25:29 GMT]]>

<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> tells the browser to use UTF-8 as charencoding to get all charcters in HTML correctly interpreted.

Well, are these attributes/values proper in HTML5?
And another question stays: why do certain browsers (version(s) of) handle those/my pages when they do not contain any metas at all?

]]>https://forums.opera.com/post/59667https://forums.opera.com/post/59667Fri, 28 Nov 2014 11:25:29 GMT