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12.15 forces Google as search engine

  • Originally posted by ugly95:

    Originally posted by LeoCG:

    It seems to be happening only if you choose a custom search as the default one.

    I get reset to Google regardless of which search engine I choose. I've tried setting Amazon, EBay, and Wikipedia as the default and it gets reset to Google.

    However, I tried clean USB installations of both x86 and x64 versions of Opera and was able to set Amazon, EBay, and Wikipedia as default without it resetting to Google.

    So, I'm not sure what's going on with the Opera I normally use.

    If the search engine is not on the list that ships with Opera, it can't be set to default and survive an Opera 12.15 restart. All those examples you noted are on Opera's as-shipped list of search engines. Something like StartPage is not, so it gets reset if you have added it to the list and try to make it default. Whatever Opera did to 12.15 to block a third-party app from hijacking Opera's default search engine also prevents a user from setting a default search engine that's not on Opera's as-shipped list.

  • Originally posted by blackbird71:

    If the search engine is not on the list that ships with Opera, it can't be set to default and survive an Opera 12.15 restart. All those examples you noted are on Opera's as-shipped list of search engines. Something like StartPage is not, so it gets reset if you have added it to the list and try to make it default. Whatever Opera did to 12.15 to block a third-party app from hijacking Opera's default search engine also prevents a user from setting a default search engine that's not on Opera's as-shipped list.

    I understand the issue. And for the two clean, USB installs I tried it works exactly like that.

    But for some reason, my regular install won't even let the other as-shipped search engines become the default. It resets to Google no matter what.

  • After updating from 12.14 to 12.15 my search engines are unaltered.

    I don't know why some people are having this problem. I was even able to install 12.15 on a different folder, set a new custom search engine as default and when restarted it's still there.

  • Extremely irritating.

    I don't know why Opera is in love with Google. The worst search engine by my standards.

    I really regret upgrading now. Now its just as annoying as the mobile app where you have to keep switching.

  • Originally posted by rafaelluik:

    After updating from 12.14 to 12.15 my search engines are unaltered.

    I don't know why some people are having this problem. I was even able to install 12.15 on a different folder, set a new custom search engine as default and when restarted it's still there.

    Well, you could try rereading davews', LeoCG's, mine and blackbird71's posts. It might help you understanding.
    If after 100 attempts you still won't understand than I'm afraid, there is no hope for you 😉

  • Test. Clean install. I have set a NEW CUSTOM search engine as DEFAULT. After restarting it's still there as default.

  • Which NEW CUSTOM search engine did you set as DEFAULT?

  • duckduckgo.com for example...
    It isn't among the default search engines of my locale.

    But oh, DuckDuckGo is part of English locale defaults so, maybe you're right... Can you tell me the one you're testing?

  • O.M.G.

    Yeah it's happening, it's being reset. But please (to the topic opener) don't spread false claims around saying Opera is forcing Google.
    Opera screwed up this time. It shouldn't have given the opportunity of this to happen, now *tards will be all over the web spreading FUD that Opera is part of the new Google "Skynet" plan "Blink".

    Originally posted by RaphAstronome:

    Is it possible to report this bug to an official bug tracker ?

    Yes please let's report it here:
    https://bugs.opera.com/wizarddesktop/

  • AFAIK, users already complained at the time 12.15 was a RC. So, Opera devs should know already about this.
    Nevertheless, let's hope they will fix the fix.

  • Holy hell, I can't believe it. I don't want to use Google and Google products. For this reason, I'm using Opera. But it's really disturbing. Moreover, it's a final release. That's incredible. I hope you'll fix it.

  • rafaelluik, as the topic opener it was not my intention to make false claims. At that time 12.15 had been out less than 24 hours, there was no comment on these forums about the issue but it had been mentioned on the dslreports forums. I had not noticed the earlier discussions on the developer blog for RC2. The first impression was that Opera was trying to get people to use Google, as after all they do get lots of revenue via that route. Now that others have investigated, both here and on dslreports, it does seem that it is just a buggy implementation of a security change. Hopefully they will address it in due course, but the comments on the developer blog imply it may not be fast. Sorry if you misinterpreted my original post, it was never my intention to mislead.

  • In my case it only effects the search bar on the speeddial page. It disrupts my work flow enormously.

  • I upgraded on both my implementations that had duckduckgo as the default search.

    No issues.

  • Originally posted by nickunite2009:

    I upgraded on both my implementations that had duckduckgo as the default search. No issues.

    You won't have issues that way... DuckDuckGo is one of Opera's standard "listed" search engines that is 'shipped' with the 12.15 (and earlier) versions. The problem arises only if a user inserts a new and different search engine onto the listing (such as StartPage or anything else not already on the list) and the user then attempts to make that the default search engine. In that case, the default setting won't "stick"... the next time you start Opera, you'll find Google is the default engine.

  • Originally posted by stepanstas:

    I don't know why Opera is in love with Google.

    They aren't. They are at war with malware that hijacks Opera's searches. Remember, it does the same thing with Yandex in Russia.

    So stop spewing lies.

  • Originally posted by Chirpie:

    Originally posted by stepanstas:

    I don't know why Opera is in love with Google.

    They aren't. They are at war with malware that hijacks Opera's searches. Remember, it does the same thing with Yandex in Russia.

    So stop spewing lies.

    Not spewing lies, just stating observations.

    Opera gets paid for taking people to Google, it's just unfortunate that they're willing to override user preferences.

  • Originally posted by stepanstas:

    ...Not spewing lies, just stating observations. Opera gets paid for taking people to Google, it's just unfortunate that they're willing to override user preferences.

    Actually, you're not stating observations. You're stating opinions and/or jumping to conclusions.

    Observation: this default search-engine behavior did not exist prior to version 12.15.
    Observation: the problem appeared in the 2nd release candidate of 12.15 as the direct result of Opera "fixing" the browser to prevent 3rd-party apps from hijacking a user's default search engine setting. That fix has also resulted in blocking a user's ability to set as default a browser that was not included in the as-shipped list of possible search engines in Opera, but which was later added by the user. It does not affect default-setting other non-Google search-engines in the as-shipped list within Opera (such as DuckDuckGo, etc) - many therefore consider this a bug, not a "Google" conspiracy.
    Observation: this issue in 12.15 RC2 carried over unchanged into the final 12.15 released version.

    You have asserted that Opera is "willing to override user preference", which implies this issue is intentional rather than being a simple bug in the security fix Opera's devs just made. Yet there is no evidence to support your assertion, just your jumping to a conclusion based on pre-existent ideas and bias.

  • Originally posted by blackbird71:

    Actually, you're not stating observations. You're stating opinions and/or jumping to conclusions.

    Thanks for explaining the purpose of the update.

    In terms of my conclusions, Opera is in love with Google. There is a reason why it defaults to Google. And it continues to override settings in the mobile App which is what I was referring to.

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