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Why would you destroy Opera?

  • Without a bookmark manager (put all my bookmarks on the startpage? say what?) Opera Next is useless to me. I could probably get used to not having the customizations I have made in Opera 12, but unusable bookmarks is a deal killer. Cookie control is a close second. Perhaps when(if) the Opera Next devs address that issue, I'll upgrade. If I haven't found another browser I like better than 12 by then, that is.

    At this point in time it kinda feels like Opera actually has been destroyed, though.

  • Originally posted by stiab3:

    I'm one of those who doesn't much like the new Opera - but I hope it's a stepping stone to a much better product.

    Just like replacing most valuable member of academy with a baby explaining that we are working with that kid to become a genius. No one ever did anything stupid like that.

  • Well, I've been an Opera user for many years and have posted many times before on this forum.

    For some reason my Opera version 12.16 stopped informing me about new updates. Even when I click on "Check for updates" it says "You are using the latest version of Opera"

    So I just installed the latest version 18.0 and I can't believe my eyes. It's like a shadow of its former self. It seems like I can hardly customize anything now. I can't even put the tab bars in the bottom? Or am I missing something?

    Also, the wand passwords won't work now if the URL isn't EXACTLY what is in the wand.dat file. In the previous versions you had the option to choose "Save password for the WHOLE SERVER". My wand. dat file is partially useless now in this Opera version.

    The combining of the address bar and the search bar was obviously coming, no surprise there at least.

    I'm not gonna even look for more drawbacks

    I agree with the OP.

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    Originally posted by missingno:

    @leushino
    That is why I put those quotation marks around 'we' - to exclude people like you. And I am not sure if it includes me, as there is much hate for Opera 15+ by a lot of people here. It's not that I cannot understand their anger to a certain extend neither.

    Okay... try to see this current situation from a different perspective. Opera Presto was bloated, it was hardly a blip on the radar with most users (truth is, I can't think of a single acquaintance or family member who ever heard of Opera the browser), and it was not meeting the financial expectations of the stockholders. Something needed to be done. After all... 18 years is a long time to remain hovering around the 3% mark. A rewrite was determined to be the best way to proceed. Now whether you or I agree with that solution, that IS the solution that was determined and all the complaining that is now going on "after the fact" will not change anything. It's an accomplished fact and users are going to have to realize this at some point. I agree that Opera could have been more forthright with its user base in presenting its plans early on. It hinted that such was coming but it did not say so outright and when it happened it took a lot of people by surprise. To its credit it has not completely abandoned the old browser in terms of security updates. Users who find the bare-bones new browser to be too lacking in features can continue to use the older versions, albeit as you correctly pointed out, more and more sites will eventually become incompatible. It's unfortunate but it's reality. What to do?

    I cannot see any real "good" choices for users whose work depends upon a feature-rich Opera at this point. About all I could suggest would be to use Firefox for their critical work and try out the new browser and all of its future iterations until such time as it does what they require of a browser. What else (constructive, that is) can be said?

    I think if you're brutally honest with yourself, you'll admit that a host of one-time posters signing up for the first time and posting angry diatribes against Opera is counter-productive. Sure, their rants can be explained but they can't be justified. They never added anything to the Opera community down through the years, never paid a dime to Opera and about all they did was use Opera's software free of charge. Now they expect Opera to do exactly what they say and if it doesn't they threaten to leave it for another browser. Does anyone really expect such juvenile behavior to be effective? There are about a dozen knowledgeable opponents who post on the forums daily expressing their dissatisfaction with the new browser. All of them know more than I about software and I readily admit this. However, their knowledge notwithstanding, their complaints are not going to change Opera's direction. Some have argued that their complaints have brought about features being added back (or promised). Maybe and then again, maybe not. The truth is, we have no way of knowing whether or not those features would have been returned since Opera has not given a road map (and it's highly unlikely one will be given). Then there are those who turn their anger on people like me. Obviously I'm a shill... I'm being paid by Opera to put out fires and/or present the other side of the coin, neither of which is true. I'm just an average guy who has used Opera for more than a decade (along with other browsers, I might add). I happen to like the new direction and that makes me both an ignoramus (or as one user puts it - a dumbuser) and an avowed enemy. Why? Another poster has claimed that I am a bully. I had no idea my words were so forceful, so powerful and so threatening that I could bully people into silence. In fact, so far I haven't seen any evidence of her claims.

    From my perspective I see Opera as a private corporation which must answer to its shareholders first and foremost. And they've demanded changes and so changes are the order of the day. And really... that's the long and short of it whether we agree or disagree. We can threaten to leave Opera, we can post daily that Opera will be destroyed within a year's time, we can argue that Opera needs to open source its Presto version but in the end... why should Opera listen to non-paying users whose numbers don't really mean much anyway?

    Well... that's my ramble. I'm not the enemy here (although I'm sure some of the angrier users think of me that way). I'm just stating things the way I see them.

    I ain't readin' all that. Opera ain't what it was and that's that. Someone went and neutered it! In its current state, it's a poor man's Chrome. If anybody here's happy with this "update" then I'm not sure why they were using Opera in the first place.

  • I am MCSE and remember there was 8 of us in a group during lectures. Every one was already more than advanced user. What surprised me is that 7 out of 8 were Opera users. It was Opera makes us brotherhood not Microsoft. With new "opera" something like that will never happen again anywhere.

  • Longtime user, first time posting.

    greenfloyd.org

    Using css3 "keyframes" to make an image-link "blink" (change opacity up and down) when its selected and while open. Works fine in all other browsers tested (ie,ff,chrome) but in Opera the blinking stops after a few seconds. It will then restart when a call to js window.open then again stops after a short while. Of course I have the css set to "infinite" when the css is in play mode.

    While it's not a big deal, any comments, suggestions would be appreciated.

    floyd (fflandrath@gmail.com)

  • The reason why inOperate = Chrode is because I firmly believe that the devs were told by Opera that if they make it look like Chrode then some company will buy it for $$$ millions and that the devs will get a big chunk of that pie. Its all about money my friend. I still use to this day Opera 11.52. And I love it!!

    Adding insult to injury, the stupid forum rules say that you cant comment negatively on inOperate because if you do, you might dissuade potential buyers (speculating companies) from buying inOperate.

    I'm going to launch a thread urging all those die-hard Opera loyalists to join forces with me and in unison, voice our concerns in bringing Opera back. If the mods dont like it thats too bad.

  • The reason why inOperate = Chrode is because I firmly believe that the devs were told by Opera that if they make it look like Chrode then some company will buy it for $$$ millions and that the devs will get a big chunk of that pie. Its all about money ...

    Of course, you're free to believe whatever you want... but that doesn't make it reality.

    Adding insult to injury, the stupid forum rules say that you cant comment negatively on inOperate because if you do, you might dissuade potential buyers (speculating companies) from buying inOperate.

    Reference, please. What forum rules anywhere say anything like that?

    I'm going to launch a thread urging all those die-hard Opera loyalists to join forces with me and in unison, voice our concerns in bringing Opera back. If the mods dont like it thats too bad.

    And that will differ from all the other similar threads exactly how?

  • I'm trying to think of another instance where a company has eliminated so many features in a software update.
    I suppose it probably happened with Mac OS 9 going to OS X, but I think it was better explained then that it was a completely new operating system, which was needed for the sake of stability and streamlining.
    While presumably the same rationale could be used for starting from scratch in creating a new version of Opera, Opera is a browser, not an OS. The switch from OS9 to OSX was a huge pain for many users, but they really had no choice if they wanted to use a modern Apple product.

    In the case of browsers, we already have a pretty tough market. Chrome and Firefox are extremely stable with good market share, and IE is a Microsoft product. The only reason people ever used Opera was for its incredibly unique functionality. I'm not sure how Opera ASA thinks they are going to gain market share by making a less-functional browser that is more similar to browsers which most people already use and are content with.

  • It isn't a software update. It's a complete re-write from scratch.

  • Which is why I said in my previous post "starting from scratch in creating a new version of Opera."
    The average person who goes to the website and sees Opera v20 will assume it's an update of previous versions since they have kept the same name and increased the version number above 12. Which engenders all the confusion and hysteria.

  • leushino

    "Opera Presto was bloated"
    what do you mean? it was smaller than v.20 and had more integrated features.

    "18 years is a long time to remain hovering around the 3% mark"
    -stats are disputable. these indicate that blink opera does not have a larger market share than presto. (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp).

    there are many sources, and its hard to pin down. this article indicates opera is down this year, hovering at 1.23%. i'm not saying they're up or down, just that i doubt they're taking the world by storm. it seems to me you need to maintain a positive projection to pacify shareholders.

    http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/03/04/mozilla-firefox_chrome_internet-explorer_browser_market_share_february

    this site indicates its at 1.28% if the old 3% was true of presto, 1.28 percent doesn't sound good.
    http://www.sitepoint.com/browser-trends-january-2014-yearly-review/

    In terms of stock prices, analysts are recommending to buy opera stock. Its stock doubled over the course of 2013. That's a good indication. They are offering more shares for sale in an attempt to get capital to try and expand their market usage. Analysts seem optimistic, but we'll have to wait to see if it congeals. Given the browser usage stats, I think it's still too early to tell.

  • "Opera Presto was bloated"
    what do you mean? it was smaller than v.20 and had more integrated features.

    What doesn't mean that it cant' be considered bloated. At least by some people.

    In fact, when Opera started to add features like e-mail client and others to Opera there were a lot od comments saying "OMG, what are you doing? You are turning Opera into a bloated software". To tell the truth, when Opera released its first build/version that no longer fit on a floppy disk, there were already complains like that.

  • Because Opera has been taken over by secret agents from Microsoft, Mozilla, and Google who are bent on a nefarious conspiracy to drive their competition out of business? Because Opera personnel have a hidden psychological compulsion to destroy their own jobs and the source of their income? Because some key folks at Opera sat down in a board meeting and said, "Hey, it's cold outside today... let's wreck the company!"

    :shocked: It is true.
    It might've been S.A.D. or something - Norway is a very murky country: too little light in winter - they suffered, apathy, depression, berserk syndrome...

  • Why on earth are you replying to a thread last posted to a year ago, quoting a post from eighteen months ago?!
    😃

  • Why on earth are you replying to a thread last posted to a year ago, quoting a post from eighteen months ago?!

    A spam post (already deleted) has bumped the thread and he probably didn't notice the date.

    It's better to have that thread closed as its relevance today is dubious... If anyone still has anything new to add to the subject, any complaints, suggestions, etc, you're very welcome to join other threads or create a new one when appropriate. 😉

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