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  • @palx thank you a lot for the video ๐Ÿ™‚

  • @olesiak Ma'am, there's no ultimate procedure you could follow up to repeat the phenomenon . either it'll appear on your GNU/Linux PC, or not.

    I must revoke my remarks that opening window Opera has a meaning - that 1 -> 2 -> 3 order will bring correct results e.g. without smudging and 1 -> 2 & 1 -> 3 is leading to smudging third window. Rubbish.

    I strongly underestimated the might of the "Smudging Imp"!

    The bug is unpredictable and emerge from the void at random. No procedure exists which might repeat the effects. No matter how many Opera windows you open, reopen and no matter in what order - one, or two (at random) or all opened Opera windows can be "erased" from the screen - exactly writing - they are being painted with a "brush" represented by any other window application. All new/old screenshots support my words.

    You'll find them in my Yandex Disk:
    in directories - .../reply. (new) or .../Forum.2021-02-13 (old one containing images from this thread).

    I'm working on PC comprising (from Sun, 14 Feb 2021)

    • Opera 74.0.3911.107 Stable - 2 windows (1160x760) with 8 Workspaces each
    • Debian Bullseye 5.10.13-1 (2021-02-06)
    • IceWM
    • Pentium G645 @ 2.90GHz 2C/2T
    • 8 GB DDR3
    • Nvidia GeForce GTX 650 2 GB DRAM (driver 460.39-1)
    • โคข21.5"" Dell P2211H (1920x1080 TN)

    I've checked the smudging in another PC (old professional HP), running latest Debian too, but with nvidia-legacy-390xx (390.141-2) driver for older graphics cards. The same history.

    The hellish ingredients amassed by the "Smudging Imp" - latest releases of Debian, Nvidia and Opera applications drives me nut. I tried 1,2,3 and 4 window Opera layouts. No chance. It always happens - one or two or all of them are being painted (aka smudged) by whatever app window (big or small).

    Finishing the pitty train of events, I must emphasize - there is no starting point of the "bug". I cannot film my screen and show you - make this or that step first, repeat exactly the next ones and you will see the horrible painting in the making.

    Second finishing point to this litany of bad luck - I do not use any sort of Windonized GNU/Linux systems - Ubuntu, Dupundu, Super-Duper-undo, Mintu, Mandravundo and all the other shit trying to emulate/reproduce MS Windows XYZ environments. I do prefer small apps and a lot of Bash scripts (quasi UNIX way of life).

    I hope I presented everything I was able to impart here and has put forward broader picture of the Imp's battlefields.

    Let me tip you to what it's all about with this one screenshot.

    [Fig. 1] One Opera window painted by Midnight Commander window (xterm console)

    The small menu window at the left bottom corner represents Opera Snapshot Syndrome. It looks as if it was screenshotted/snapshotted by Opera itself (not its Snapshot feature).

  • BABE cries up to heaven from hopeless grief and rage.

    The Opera window in my FHD screen layout has 1162 pixels width.

    Ladies and Gentlemen from Opera Team, look at the screenshot below what you have created.

    Click the image to view in full mode.

    Shame! Shame! Shame!


  • @pavelopdev it's enhanced address bar so its width = address bar width. It worked the same way previously too.

  • @andrew84 Thank you for the explanation.

    Here I deleted former remarks, it was enough to remove the search box and hide extension icons.

    Well. a man learns all the time... ๐Ÿ˜‰

    New screenshot as a remission of my sin...


  • @pavelopdev I have no complaints regarding how it opens (its width) because yes, I don't use the search box and have only few extensions visible and it looks acceptable even on 1366x768 laptop's screen.
    But.. the BABE pane's layout/design/components alignment that's the another question.
    Previously there was a separate section in Settings where it was possible to select what to show on the pane. The modern BABE has a zero customization, only the on/off toggle button.
    Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems there some dumb dependency now: if there are small count of 'recently closed' or 'visit again' items, then 'top sites' tiles count are also limited by the width of a single 'recently closed' section for example (and there's a wasted space on the left and right sides). Also 'top sites' section is not horizontally scrollable.
    Edit: and even the full pane on your screenshot has the wasted spaces because of poor design.

  • @andrew84 Well, I got bad bedtime and decidedly woke up inflated with bad temper, but Opera..., well, I stopped paying attention to Opera for Linux and Suggestions and feature requests forums. Opera Blog is better place to ask/request/beg or point the places which need polishing/correction/improvement (from my impertinent guy's point of view). Opera Team select from such "new news" what they like and then few of them are being copied accordingly to the Bug Report and with attached DNA signature. It's not a feedback.

    I have a lot of admiration to you for your endless efforts to improve Opera browser. There were times I thought BABE is paternalistic term for "user" (I'm joking of course.) Now I see, Opera dev people as a secret sect behind sorta Chinese Wall of Internal Tranquility. I'm ditching the baby BABE (and her issues - the style's intentional) from now on. Your all actions proved it's pointless to make baby BABE something I'd like to love.

    Thanks for your kind words.

  • New update - 74.0.3911.139 ;-)

  • I liked the snooze disable alternative now. It's not working quite well yet but it's a start.
    I'd rather that this snooze function was removed for good, but I don't think that's going to happen any time soon so better adjust.

  • @mrherodoto Don't get me wrong, tab snoozing is very crucial and I am happy Opera started getting on that road, but unless they implement some changes, like a pages exception option for example, I am sticking on the third party apps I am using and wait for this option to be natively better.

    For example, I don't want some sites I am usually scrolling down for a long time, to be snoozed and loose the progress.

    Sometimes when the browser feels a little laggy, you want to control what you snooze at that crucial time, not wait for inactivity to take over.

    And I have found out, that it is ineffective, when you have extensive work to do on a Workspace, to have the other tabs snoozing on you because of inactivity.

    My personal opinion is, that we should instead have a "Snooze" menu tree with 2 options when we right click on the general tabs area, to "Snooze all other Tabs" so we can focus on one tab -a demanding video for example and "Snooze all other Workspaces" so we can work on a Workspace without having to reload pages every once and a while.

    And you should also have the extra option to decide on "Snooze all other Workspaces" if it will respect the page exceptions or not.

  • Opera 74.0.3911.139 is available.

  • @hectormaciasa1979

    74.0.3911.144 ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • @7thgear:

    where is the changelog please

  • @citro
    both could be silent updates.

  • @7thgear:
    the changelog page doesn't work anymore

  • @pavelopdev thank you, we will take a look on this issue.

  • Opera 74.0.3911.144:: Speed dial has been replaced by nothing but advertising icons, my original speed dial has been moved to Other Speed Dials. Setting have been changed so that advertising speed dial icons are displayed, and also Opera now displays my open tabs from previous close when I pen a new session. What has happened, how to prevent this??

  • No information about changes in the opera 74th version. there are previous versions and there are next ones but no 74th. - information available - information available - no information. - information available

    correct the mistake

  • @olesiak Gosh! I was found... ๐Ÿค” Thank you very much for the kind bit of feedback. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Enabling the #legacy-tls-enforced flag does NOT disable TLS v1.0 and v1.1 - which it does in other Chromium browsers.